Disc - So you say you top the meters? :]

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Dear Discs,

It is often said in these forums that Disc priests can top the healing meters easily, by shield spamming or whatever... I would like to see the World of Logs from such endeavors, for my own curiosity (I never manage to top any meter, but I also don't believe that it is an accurate reflection of the usefulness/efficiency of a healer...). Can you meter-toppers show me some? I'm particularly interested in spell break down / over-healing / etc.

Much Respect,
xoxo
Sens

[Catracie]

http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/5961/

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magmaw: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...&e=1543#Cyosis
omnotron: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...7&e=1479#Qelix
chimmy: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...383&e=1729#Jes
atramedes: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...?s=8165&e=8460
maloriak: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...?s=8704&e=9253
nef: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...=10674&e=11251


halfus: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i.../?s=869&e=1127
V+T@ http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/i...?s=2245&e=2596
council: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/m...e=6811#Ahntrax
cho'gal: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/x...976#Fairybells
sinestra: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/6...e=8441#Onoxlol

conclave (fwiw): http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...?s=3066&e=3463
al'akir: http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/4...?s=5129&e=5580



not me, obviously but there's a bunch of logs showing disc priests topping meters. it really doesn't take long to find them on WoL, there are hundreds more.

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not me, obviously but there's a bunch of logs showing disc priests topping meters. it really doesn't take long to find them on WoL, there are hundreds more.

:O True... derp... I didn't think of just poking around on the World of Logs site. fail. Thanks for the links though. ;]

... and so, from what I can tell ... all of those topping the meter are somehow maintaining a freakish level of PW:Sing. Innervates, MTT, etc... yikes...

xo

[Ariahna]

Yes it is very easy for a disc priest to top meters, especially when they are fed innervates. It's all because of the nature of absorbs (first crack at the damage), and them being a little overtuned at the moment, not because disc priests are necessarily better healers. We have one that is pretty new at healing and undergeared that can "outheal" some experienced healers of other classes. Blizzard has such a hard time balancing disc priests, but it is by far the easiest spec to own meters with.

[Aevy]

I am first healer on every fight (10/13 HC, 25 man), without any Innervates as a Disc priest.

It's not shield spamming (at least without innervates). If i put 20 shields i'm on 50% of my mana.

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and so, from what I can tell ... all of those topping the meter are somehow maintaining a freakish level of PW:Sing. Innervates, MTT, etc... yikes...

xo

top on meters and see, 0 innervates. As disc, its very easy top of meters =)

[Aevy]

switching to inner will + popping PI makes spamming shields a lot easier xD

Also tracking rapture and benefit from it every time it is off of cd is the key to success.

[Mazi]

It's not about spamming bubble, it's about using it at the right times to save lives and prevent incoming damage. If you don't know how a fight works, you aren't going to be as effective at Disc because you have to know when the damage is going to come and prepare for it, not heal/bubble after it happens.

http://worldoflogs.com/guilds/105081/

[Verth Aeyta]

I wouldn't say I always top the charts but I can keep up with our Paladin healer and in some fights I do reign king of the healing meters... though none of us really care that much about meters as long as the raid is living and we're killing bosses

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Right now i'm doing only 10 man content and i can say without innervates and tides it's pretty hard to spam shield (if you overgear content than sometimes it's possible, but still you need to watch your mana)

and most time i heal in pair with resto druid (still think resto druid is best 10man healer) and our healing is pretty much same, so i think depends on fight and situation

[Mikayo]

These are my logs -

4/13/2011
Overall: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau...m/healingDone/
H.Omnitron: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau.../?s=797&e=1202
H.Magmaw: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau...?s=1881&e=2297
H.Atramedes: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau...?s=5711&e=6062
H.Halfus: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau...=10058&e=10352
H.Twins: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/wpoau...=11778&e=12260

4/14/2011
Overall: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/qq67e...m/healingDone/
N.Council: http://worldoflogs.com/reports/qq67e...?s=1174&e=1387

I'm not the best, I'm sure I do things wrong and have room for tons of improvement so easy on the criticism. We have 1 boomkin who will innervate me when he can. Some fights I know I can depend on it, other fights not so much.

It is very easy to top meters as disc. However,

none of us really care that much about meters as long as the raid is living and we're killing bosses

This is my guild's mentality as well. It's refreshing when people realize and accept meters aren't the only way, or even the most important tool, when deciding whether or not someone is doing their job.

[Contravene]

In my opinion since Priest healers wear cloth they should have better healing.

[Verth Aeyta]

In my opinion since Priest healers wear cloth they should have better healing.

Better healing is quite vague and generalized, healing is a beast of it's own, we have limitations on how much we can actually heal, it's all dependent on the amount of dmg being taken at any certain time, fights like Chimeron (sp?) I can run circles around all the other heals because of my AoE healing, but fights like Nef where I'm healing our Nef tank, the paladin tank gets a head start on the meters because no one is taking dmg for 15 - 20 seconds.

Also what happens when the paladin heals the tank before I do? It's overhealing so again having better healing isn't always the case it's more about healers working together to get the job done. I like to think that healers are in a good place right now.

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[...] so again having better healing isn't always the case it's more about healers working together to get the job done. I like to think that healers are in a good place right now.

So much this, both statements. We wouldn't get anything done - at all - if it wasn't for our fellow healers.

[Deleted]

Healing meters are incredibly dumb and does not show the performance of a healer unless it's an extremely big difference between healers.

It's about who you heal. A person who spams aoe heal on the raid will top off alot of people who are around 80% health, these players would have been healed up by passive healing effects such as VE, healing stream totem, self-healing etc. Most of the time shielding people who are at 100% health is totally useless, except if the encounter demands, and only boost you on the meters.

A good example of why healing meters are dumb: Lets say your GH does 30k healing and your PoH does 10k to 5 targets=50k. Imagine the group you heal has four people at 80k health and one person at 20k health. In 3 seconds there will be a raid wide aoe that does 40k dmg. If you use GH to heal the person at 20k will survive but you will only have done 30k healing while if you used PoH you would have done 50k healing.

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My disc logs:

world #1 healing on omnotron 10 hc, pre nerf (0 innervates)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...61#Fishypriest

Atramades 10 hc post nerf (0 innervates)
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...79#Fishypriest

And another disc in my guild:

Al'akir 10 normal post nerf
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...6#Birdiewubwub

Omnotron 10 hc post nerf
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/r...0#Birdiewubwub

Just a few examples. Shield spamming has it's place but just because it tops meters doesn't mean it's the end of all problems solution.

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You can top the meters easily as disc when you have to much healing in the group. Your shields will heal first and any overhealing will end up in the other healers hands. You shouldn't really worry about meters unless you consistently behind the other healers by a large margin.

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You can top the meters easily as disc when you have to much healing in the group. Your shields will heal first and any overhealing will end up in the other healers hands. You shouldn't really worry about meters unless you consistently behind the other healers by a large margin.

This is very true, as soon as the dmg comes up to levels where you're struggling to pump out enough healing most other healers will be at the level of disc priest healing.

A big part of why disc top meters is as stated that they will heal first.

[Prod]

Just my 2 cents about PoH healing as disc: depending on the fight, it's better to not chain cast PoH. For example, if the raid gets hit for 50k damage, and the next raid wide damage won't be for another 30 seconds or so, instead of spamming 4-5 PoHs in a row, have like 3-5 seconds in between casts. This is so that all your DAs build up and last long enough to take the next damage. This way DA doesn't fall off and get wasted.