Guild Wars 2: The One Thread

[Meledelion]

Ascender armors.. and weapons.. and everything. I don't like this gear progression.

Why do ascended items need to have higher stats? Why won't it be just additional infusion slot. You could go though process of ascending your existing (exotic) armor (like we did in GW1).
- I don’t want to be locked to one character (tedious / time locked process to get items)
- I don’t want to be “left behind” with my exotics (not taken into instances, considered less useful on wvw, etc)

Don't you dare bring that up, when I did this when it was originally announced I got heaps of shit over me. Suffice to say I agree.

[Valeron]

The majority of players I believe agree with Irynes viewpoint. I certainly do

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http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...morSet=armadai
http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...&armorSet=orri
http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...orSet=culthabi
http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...rSet=caletvabi
http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...morSet=orriani
http://argos-soft.net/GW2ArmorGaller...mevali&color=9

Half the heavy armors make me look like a Power Ranger.

Tera, save me!

You guys do know that you can mix gear sets right?

Have to agree a couple of the first ones looks pretty bad tho. Don't really see the power ranger theme... but if that were the choices I guess I'd rather look like a power ranger than someone straight from a porn movie (Tera style).

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I am member of nice guild, I got to do Twilight Assault dungeon with them at the moment I logged in (literally said “hi, have everyone already done the new instance?” and got invite to party that was forming). It took 2h and after that I idled a bit in LA with guild, changed my necromancers hair and that was all I had time to do. I still haven’t even looked ascended weapons and I see more and more people with those.

Why do ascended items need to have higher stats? Why won't it be just additional infusion slot. You could go though process of ascending your existing (exotic) armor (like we did in GW1).
- I don’t want to be locked to one character (tedious / time locked process to get items)
- I don’t want to be “left behind” with my exotics (not taken into instances, considered less useful on wvw, etc)

Agreed 100 % I didn't actually care about the rings and other trinkets that was added since it really did not do a big difference in normal game play and they are not that hard to get. But now it's weapons.... and armors... it's just too much of a difference to the exotic gear.

I'm glad that I am in a nice guild since I guess the LFG will sound like "MUST HAVE ALL ASCENDED G3ARZZ!!1111!" And WWW... well I'm glad I'm not that in to it as of now. Thinking mostly of the little roamer groups and what a difference it will be between an ascended group and an exotic one :/

[Meledelion]

The majority of players I believe agree with Irynes viewpoint. I certainly do

I put on my detective cap and looked for the discussion in this forum regarding ascended gear and while there's 5people who are vocal about their dislike of ascended gear I also found this:

That's what got on my nerves the most...I really thought that this change would be pretty universally rejected, but there seems to be this general attitude of, "It's ok, you guys are just QQing."

There's about 3people defending a-net and a couple others who seem to be indifferent (or at least not vocal)

Agreed 100 % I didn't actually care about the rings and other trinkets that was added since it really did not do a big difference in normal game play and they are not that hard to get. But now it's weapons.... and armors... it's just too much of a difference to the exotic gear.

They announced ascended gear as a total package with the first release being rings/backpiece. Complaining now is way too late.

[Razael]

I'm not farming for Ascended items. No way. They suck and they should have never been implemented. If i want to do gear treadmills , theres plenty of MMOs offering that out there, GW2 should have kept to the manifesto.

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They announced ascended gear as a total package with the first release being rings/backpiece. Complaining now is way too late.

I'm pretty sure I'm allowed to voice my opinion regardless.

[Meledelion]

Sure it's just not gonna help much, while if you complained 7months ago it might still have mattered.
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(Oh who am I kidding it wouldn't matter either way, but you get the sentiment)

[Deleted]

They announced ascended gear as a total package with the first release being rings/backpiece. Complaining now is way too late.

I did complain about it when ascended backs and rings came out. I did it on official forums.

And when those came into game I ignored them and fractals for over half a year. I hated it, didn't want to play it. When amulets came I got them slowly just via dailies.

Then at some point I stepped into fractals too, played it with ele and thief to fotm lvl 20-30, enough to get some rings and backs. But at that point it was easier to get rings stuff via laurels/guild tokens/wvw tokens. Now I have third "main" my necro, she still doesn't have ascended back (haven't run fractals with her), but she has 3 sets of ascended trinkets (condition, PVT and zerker).

I have friend who would want to run fractals just for 20-slot bags. Maybe I will do it too, but I don't like ascended gear. The whole agony thing is fine, easy way to make impossible bosses for people wanting it. But why stat boost... why?

[Lane]

The majority of players I believe agree with Irynes viewpoint. I certainly do

Ditto.

(Oh who am I kidding it wouldn't matter either way, but you get the sentiment)

Sad but true.

[Svifnymr]

There's about 3people defending a-net and a couple others who seem to be indifferent (or at least not vocal)

I'm indifferent, I've not yet bothered to craft an ascended weapon because I don't feel like spending the resources on it. It just doesn't seem worth it, overall. I can see that there is a power advantage, definitely, but it just doesn't matter to me. Same with the armor, god alone knows how tedious it'd be to get a whole set of the stuff and frankly it's ugly enough that I don't want it, for the most part.

I think if they had been in from the start, it wouldn't matter, but adding them in a year later feels "wrong". If they were in since the start, it might be "hey, get the power of a legendary with less work!", but meh. But it doesn't detract from my game that they exist (except for the Account Bound mats that keep accumulating, long after I've stopped refining them), so I'm not worried about it.

[Deleted]

Agree re:gear progression.
It is something that was promised wouldn`t happen & should never of touched this game.
Guild Wars went eight years with, from what I twig, the only boost was the infusion.

When arsended started to get added, for PvErs only (even now backpacks BIS is still only available via PvE), that was the start of the uninstall for me. Arsended mats dropped sooo much higher in PvE for spamming "one" then
As a purely PvPer, via WvWs & the once in a blue moon battleground (ye gads, those maps are shite!) making a higher stat weapon available so easily via PvE that makes such a huge difference in PvP more then anywhere, was such a huge fuck up that even warcraft legendaries would even laugh at.

Then anet make these forced crafting!?
Wrong doesn`t even cover that idiotic move.

Now with arsended gear en roure things will just get even more retarded & then some.
Can you imagine someone new to the game entering WvWs against fully geared arsender players?
Instant rage quits...


This combined with the idiotic Bloodlust addition wasn`t just the straw, it was a field of maze that broke this camels back.
Aaaaand, oddly, uninstalling the game I`ve not remotely missed it.

That gw2 couldn`t last a year because of the gear/mats grind & idiotic balance (aka complete lack of) for pvp yet I could happily log warcraft for 4+ years..... gw2 is beyond help.

[Razael]

GW2 isn't that baaaad. Its pretty good and going strong.

Its plagued by some weird decision making by the developers though. Like the decision to add ascended gear, GvG & Guild Halls aren't even in their priority list of things to do along with the rocky and very slow start to the "Living Story" or "Living World" can't even remember the correct term, the decision to force you to a dungeon to see the end of your PERSONAL story, among others.

Still a solid game by all standards. Didn't "WOW" me as much as i thought, but its a diferent game which i can apreciate in small doses.

[Lane]

Its plagued by some weird decision making by the developers though.

Didn't "WOW" me as much as i thought

Yeah, agreed.

[Valeron]

I suppose I can agree with that. It's good enough for me that it's the only mmorpg that I play (some swtor here and there too mainly cause I'm a star wars fanatic). mmorpgs are pretty dire in general.

[zed zebes]

I don't find the genre to be dire. Nothing is ever going to pop your MMO cherry again, so I get real tired of people who go around looking for that. The players new to the genre that are playing GW2 are feeling all the awe you once felt long ago.

That said, the game has had some bizarre turns, and the post-launch stuff seems to change its mind on what direction it wants to head from month to month. It's the best MMO on the market, so they can get away with missteps along the way. The question is whether they correct the missteps or not? I keep wondering if there will be a D3 moment where a year after Ascended gear, they decide "wait this was a bad idea, and pissed everyone off, so lets just normalize this stuff outside of dungeons."

[Fencers]

Yea, the MMO genre isn't dire at all. It's fairly healthy. Perhaps the most healthy the MMO genre has ever been.

It is more likely that some players are either disenchanted or simply don't truly enjoy MMOs. Whether it was that first love MMO or bandwagon-ing on a game/genre because your friends were into it/playing- who can say.

Though there is certainly no evidence the genre is worse off today than 5-7 years ago that I know of. Nor do I see any market trends that suggest otherwise. Keep in mind what one player values isn't the same for everyone. So the subjective personal opinions about "quality" or "good" games is about as useful as your opinion on the local pizza joint.

[Valeron]

well it's certainly a personal opinion on that. I enjoy quite a few elements of GW2, that's why I play it. Some elements like the ascended armor certainly annoy me but at least in this game it's not that intrusive or needed for the game. I greatly dislike most standard mmos. If not for people that I play with I wouldn't touch any of them.

[zed zebes]

Quality can be determined. Let's not let the subjective get out of hand. There's already a war on the concept of quality as is. (Though this may be my American viewpoint, where powers that be use concepts of quality to define class, and then turn that on its head for public support.)

[Lane]

Nothing is ever going to pop your MMO cherry again, so I get real tired of people who go around looking for that.

That said, the game has had some bizarre turns, and the post-launch stuff seems to change its mind on what direction it wants to head from month to month.

I'm looking for something that doesn't feel like a complete throwback to 2004 just with better graphics. GW2's the first MMO I felt made any actual progress in the genre as a whole, so I get frustrated when they start making decisions that feel like they're trying to backpedal into being a more traditional MMO.

Then I get people saying if I don't like traditional MMOs then I simply don't like MMOs as a genre, even though most use what I consider a completely dated formula that few developers seem to want to risk changing or at least improving upon. I mean, I loved the original Tomb Raider. When I got the remake it didn't play a thing like the first one. However, if I take an MMO from 10 years ago and play it next to one that came out last week it's the exact same experience, just prettier.

As far as I'm concerned, I don't care how "healthy" the genre is, it still feels stagnant to me in terms of development outside of graphics.

[1001]

I don't find the genre to be dire. Nothing is ever going to pop your MMO cherry again, so I get real tired of people who go around looking for that. The players new to the genre that are playing GW2 are feeling all the awe you once felt long ago.

That said, the game has had some bizarre turns, and the post-launch stuff seems to change its mind on what direction it wants to head from month to month. It's the best MMO on the market, so they can get away with missteps along the way. The question is whether they correct the missteps or not? I keep wondering if there will be a D3 moment where a year after Ascended gear, they decide "wait this was a bad idea, and pissed everyone off, so lets just normalize this stuff outside of dungeons."

Dire in that every Tom, Dick and Harry is producing third rate MMOs maybe?
Best MMO on the market? No, I don't think it is, not by a long shot.