Guild Wars 2: The One Thread

[Bovinity Divinity]

There is an odd function of the internet generation where they think they are isolated from consequences, while simultaneously believing that everyone else that does something wrong needs to be publicly outed and punished for their perceived actions. I'm sure this person has called out others for their tweets that she disliked and sought out a way to punish them for it via emailing their company or whatever.

Yeah, we touched on this earlier, and it's just a generational difference I guess. They see stuff like Twitter as just being another facet of their real social life or something, whereas someone my age sees it as the equivalent of walking onto a busy street corner and shouting something in front of some cameras.

It's in public. You're in public. No matter how much they try to tell themselves that it's "My Space" or something, it's not. It's out there in public.

[zito]

Yeah, we touched on this earlier, and it's just a generational difference I guess. They see stuff like Twitter as just being another facet of their real social life or something, whereas someone my age sees it as the equivalent of walking onto a busy street corner and shouting something in front of some cameras.

It's in public. You're in public. No matter how much they try to tell themselves that it's "My Space" or something, it's not. It's out there in public.

Especially when she sets her profile to public when there's an option for private.

[Tenjen]

Have come back after years. Got the game during release and played for a few months.

A lot to catch up with. Anything I should especially know? I have a lvl 75 sylvari thief i left behind

[Nehezbegar]

Have come back after years. Got the game during release and played for a few months.

A lot to catch up with. Anything I should especially know? I have a lvl 75 sylvari thief i left behind

I would say...start fresh :P. If not, just work on the personal story then go into HoT and then PoF story, it would give You couple of days to work on something, then its up to You. Do fractals, pvp, find a raiding guild etc., just like in every generic MMO tbh. You first big goal is to grind for ascended gear then for the legendary and its a quite some work to do to get those :P

[Gray_Matter]

Have come back after years. Got the game during release and played for a few months.

A lot to catch up with. Anything I should especially know? I have a lvl 75 sylvari thief i left behind

If you had started earlier today, there was a thief bug where people were doing 390k DPS. Soloing bosses in a little over a minute. Fixed now

[Tenjen]

I would say...start fresh :P. If not, just work on the personal story then go into HoT and then PoF story, it would give You couple of days to work on something, then its up to You. Do fractals, pvp, find a raiding guild etc., just like in every generic MMO tbh. You first big goal is to grind for ascended gear then for the legendary and its a quite some work to do to get those :P

Eh i left wow last year after I couldnt fit it in anymore. Think ill just casually play and do things for the fun of it or to collect fashion and look good.

[Bovinity Divinity]

Jeez, if you thought Price was delusional and self-absorbed before, just wait until you see her latest set of tweets.

I can't help but feel like there's something wrong with her.

[Rogalicus]

Jeez, if you thought Price was delusional and self-absorbed before, just wait until you see her latest set of tweets.

I can't help but feel like there's something wrong with her.

I like how she managed to twist "Jessica and Peter were also part of the team that brought you the kidnapping scene in Episode 1, which was a wonderfully well-executed scene" to "Mike O'Brien's most recent statement reduces my contribution to GW2 to one scene from one episode.". How she managed to get a writer's job with such a poor reading comprehension is beyond me.

[Bovinity Divinity]

I like how she managed to twist "Jessica and Peter were also part of the team that brought you the kidnapping scene in Episode 1, which was a wonderfully well-executed scene" to "Mike O'Brien's most recent statement reduces my contribution to GW2 to one scene from one episode.". How she managed to get a writer's job with such a poor reading comprehension is beyond me.

It's just one mischaracterization of the facts after another. All to make herself - and, by association, all women in the hopes that they'll rush to her aid - out to be the victim.

There's the suggestion that one simply ought not fire women because "you know what'll happen".

There's the claim that ANet intentionally "sent the mob at her".

There's the implication that she was fired for simply being too awesome and female (thus, uppity).

There's the out and out declaration that she basically did or influenced everything in the story singlehandedly.

(Of course there's the line about media contacting her. )

There's the obvious mischaracterization of O'Briens praise as instead being indicative of women's work being erased or minimized.

She characterized the entire thing as being fired for "an exchange about sexism".

I mean, she's just awful. Not a single assumption of responsibility. Not a hint of remorse for anything. Not a kind word or apology for the individuals that she lashed out at. Especially sad in the case of Deroir who all but gushed about how great she was and then she kicks his teeth in and accuses him of sexism for wanting to talk about the work of hers that he seemed to love so much. (Seriously, watch this clip of him: https://clips.twitch.tv/CrypticMistyStingrayDxCat )

She just seems all around miserable. Everyone should be condemning her attitude and actions.

[Edge-]

The unfortunate part is that there's absolutely plenty of valid discussion to be had in Anets reaction, how companies handle social media policies for employees, and more coming out of all of this. Seriously, this would actually be a great moment for some serious discussion on the part of developers and companies leadership/HR departments to figure out the best policies and practices to handle social media incidents/drama like this. This also extends to discussions on how to best educate/manage fans on how to best interact with developers on social media as well.

But unfortunately it's getting drowned out in the "culture war" that's brewed and has been stoked by Price, a number of gaming sites, and the shit-stirrers who have been waiting for any "excuse" to attack Price for anything.

[Bovinity Divinity]

But unfortunately it's getting drowned out in the "culture war" that's brewed and has been stoked by Price, a number of gaming sites, and the shit-stirrers who have been waiting for any "excuse" to attack Price for anything.

I agree with most everything you said, but I feel like that last part is a "Fine people on both sides" moment. There's no equivalence there, she created this situation 100% and there were no shadowy figures waiting in the wings to launch an attack on her. And if there ARE shitkickers out there, they're just getting downvoted on Reddit for nothing while she's still out there seeking media attention.

No, this was a situation entirely of her own creation and furthered entirely by her own actions. And if you want my honest opinion? She fucking loves this.

[Svifnymr]

I mean, it's the internet so there's going to be a bunch of idiots. The news sites found some guy proclaiming that now the fans can dictate Anets policy and blah blah blah, but it's not like that guy actually represents anything. She still doesn't see how her presence on her private channel was company related, while grouping all detractors into one group to dismiss them all by the worst elements she can find.

So her statements (presenting her experience with the company and discussing the work she does at that company on a public format) should not be taken as the Group (company).

The statements of random individuals on the same internet should be taken as representative of all customers (well, male customers) though.

Even if, (especially if) she regularly got men talking down to her as a dev because she's a woman, that doesn't excuse how she handled a very polite reply to a topic she presented to the world. "I can see your point, thanks for not talking down to me" or anything, would have worked better to still get her oppression out in the open while not being rude to someone.

[Kelimbror]

No, this was a situation entirely of her own creation and furthered entirely by her own actions. And if you want my honest opinion? She fucking loves this.

It's quite obvious that she's reveling in the drama like no other. Sounds like an entitled shit bag who knows she doesn't have to work to get paid now. She'll go to conventions and crusade her cause being a paid guest to be openly sexist and misrepresent facts. It's like she thought to herself...hrm...my life is quiet, wouldn't it be great if I could be the center of Gamergate 2 and make a lot of money for complaining about things that never happened...

I seriously hate that it's so transparently fucktastic because I fully support when people get screwed and stand up for themselves to the betterment of our society. But this is like she sat in a closet watching Handmaid's Tale for 72 hours without sleeping and came out acting like ArenaNet was that world. Meanwhile their story has always been that she was awesome at what she did and they hope we remember her for those awesome moments, not the moment where she lost all composure and made an utter fool of herself in the public spotlight by being a jerk to a customer who was engaging in open dialogue with her.

[Bovinity Divinity]

I seriously hate that it's so transparently fucktastic because I fully support when people get screwed and stand up for themselves to the betterment of our society. But this is like she sat in a closet watching Handmaid's Tale for 72 hours without sleeping and came out acting like ArenaNet was that world.

The best part is that after JP's, "Oh, I won't say who the women are, the mob will get them! /dramatic" nonsense, this thread was posted:

https://twitter.com/StillNotSam/stat...76070574940160

I mean, it doesn't mention JP or her post, but it's pretty awesome and the community seems to love it.

[Kelimbror]

The best part is that after JP's, "Oh, I won't say who the women are, the mob will get them! /dramatic" nonsense, this thread was posted:

https://twitter.com/StillNotSam/stat...76070574940160

I mean, it doesn't mention JP or her post, but it's pretty awesome and the community seems to love it.

Yeah, interesting to see all the female staff coming out with giant and positive messages about their work. Almost like when the crazy bitch goes, everyone can go back to enjoying their careers. Here's an interesting reply from that post though, lol:

@JamesJRaynor
Replying to @StillNotSam @spacefeather
because of the terrible way ArenaNet treats all its female employees i'm boycotting Guild Wars 2.

@cheddarcheesie
Replying to @JamesJRaynor @StillNotSam @spacefeather
But look at all the wonderful women working at anet? This is honestly the most diverse and inclusive company in the industry, don't believe some fabrication that JP is creating. Any company would fire someone who lashed out at their fans, male or female

@JamesJRaynor
you must be a man.

[Bovinity Divinity]

Here's an interesting reply from that post though, lol:

JP's alt account, is that you?

[Edge-]

I mean, it doesn't mention JP or her post, but it's pretty awesome and the community seems to love it.

The community has largely been rallying around the devs writ-large since this nonsense. Yeah, there's still a lot of bullshit going on and the bandwagon trolls are still causing shit, but from what I've seen the community seems to be making a pretty concerted effort to reach out/respond to developers in a show of support for the work they do and their respectful engagement with the community.

It's been pretty rad to see again, because it's kinda how it's always been, it's just been more low key since it was "normal" behavior/interactions between devs/community more or less up until recently.

[stomination]

The community has largely been rallying around the devs writ-large since this nonsense. Yeah, there's still a lot of bullshit going on and the bandwagon trolls are still causing shit, but from what I've seen the community seems to be making a pretty concerted effort to reach out/respond to developers in a show of support for the work they do and their respectful engagement with the community.

It's been pretty rad to see again, because it's kinda how it's always been, it's just been more low key since it was "normal" behavior/interactions between devs/community more or less up until recently.

From what ive seen playing just recently its a fun game I dont have to hardcore. ANET did a good job with GW2 and JP who might have done a good job in office seemed to screw the pooch when she made such a comment towards a customer.

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Yeah, interesting to see all the female staff coming out with giant and positive messages about their work. Almost like when the crazy bitch goes, everyone can go back to enjoying their careers. Here's an interesting reply from that post though, lol:

https://twitter.com/JamesJRaynor/sta...54901521182720

I laughed at this one.

[Kelimbror]

I laughed at this one.

Geez....legit crazy.

[Tenjen]

James raynor seems like a very suspicious account

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One thing i have noticed is that jerkhats are now trying to use the JP situation as a template to get other developers, that they dont like for inane reasons,fired. Complaining against themor trying to incite an arguement which will get them fired.

What the hell man? All this does is hurt the industry.