1. #26181
    Quote Originally Posted by Puupi View Post
    GRRM sort of waivered his right to decide what's canon by giving the TV show the right to tell the story beyond what was written already.
    Well... kinda... sorta...

    No.

  2. #26182
    Quote Originally Posted by Mteq View Post
    damn this season feels rushed. from burning bodies to knocking on king's lading's gates in 30 minutes.
    Which is a feat in itself, as this season had an extra year in production.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prophet June Bug View Post
    Wtf are you talking about what's 'canon'? The books are the books and the show is the show, are you fucking high? You're not even considering the fact that A) GRRM gave them broad outlines on how the books would end, not every fucking narrative detail and B) Dumb and Dumber may have decided to throw said outlines out the window completely and go into a different direction.
    Yeah and when it comes to 'canon' it is "first come, first served". If GRRM decides to write the story in his books wildly different than what the TV show has delivered, then his writing is just revisionist fan fiction.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i've said i'd like to have one of those bad dragon dildos shaped like a horse, because the shape is nicer than human.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

  4. #26184
    Quote Originally Posted by Prokne View Post
    There are only a few realistic, non-sneaky ways that Cersei can still be defeated.

    Blockade and starve out King's Landing (or get the commons to revolt against Cersei while they are starving). To do this, they need a fleet that can actually fight at sea. Maybe Yara can construct a whole new fleet. The land forces that Dany and Jon have left should be able to deny resources to the city by intercepting any supplies that come on land. The dragon can help scout (would be amazing for them to actually be able to see what is going on, not get ambushed left and right).

    Or, Dany can fly Drogon as high up in the air as he can and dive bomb all those ballistas that can't shoot higher than 20 deg.

    Another avenue to success is for Dany to go around to the other lords that aren't currently fighting in King's Landing and give them a reason to fight for her instead of Cersei. She says she wants to break the wheel and change things, but what does that mean? She hasn't told anyone what she is going to do when she is in charge. There is no reason to choose her unless you are sure she is going to win and look for self preservation.

    I still don't understand why Dany and co. didn't siege King's Landing as soon as they came over and dracarys the Red Keep the first thing they did. Cersei couldn't have done anything against the dragons when they first got there, at least not with that one ballista. It would have been a great sneak attack to burn the Red Keep, where Cersei probably would be at the time, and set up a siege with the tens of thousands of soldiers she had and dragons as support against anyone coming to relieve King's Landing. She didn't want to kill a bunch of people. The easiest way to do that is to end your war early. Of course this didn't happen because then the throne story would be over really quickly, but the story should have ended with the Night King's death (after more than one battle).
    Well, at this point decent logic and good writing is clearly being thrown out the window just to create WOW/WTF situations. Its obvious, that even after 7 previous seasons and the option to take theyre time and build everything up, they have now forced themself to end the show one way or another. They went for the visual effects as a way to end it all, two major battles and all.

    Just look at the scene in episode 4 when the dragon is hit. Suddenly, out of nowhere(with two dragons with dany one one of them), the iron fleet appears. Neither the dragons or Dany saw them. How is that even possible? Then when the dragon goes down with curgical precision, they go on and miss with 10+ shots on dany and her dragon.
    And instead of actually just fly BEHIND the ships and torch it all up, dany flees. I mean, those ships cant turn quickly. Those ballistas cant be charged quickly. So why the hell does she flee?

    That whole scene had only 1 mission. To create WOW/WTF moment with a shot down dragon and Missandei captured. Beyond that it did nothing. This is the second time the Iron fleet just WOSH appears out of nowhere and everyone is caught off guard. Why even go with boats when they got theyre asses kicked last time?

    I have lots of other quirks with season 8, but to sum it up everything feels so cheap and cut short now.
    Last edited by crusadernero; 2019-05-07 at 01:41 PM.

  5. #26185
    This episode was filled with black and white scenes...

    + Tyrion and Varys scenes, finally back to what was good in GoT seasons ago. I also like Varys' approach. Some may say he's switching sides too often, but he's indeed doing whatever is best for the realm. If he sees a better oppurtunity arise, he takes it.
    + Jaimie arc. So many people here took it wrong, lmao. Its obvious he's off to KL to end Cercei. I think the celebration and Brienne showed him how great the life can be without Cercei's toxicity. The news about the ambush turned the switch in his mind. IMO he realized how much she's been enabled thanks to him and feels guilty for all the bad going on, and thinks killing her or dying trying is the only way to redeem himself. AND he had to treat Brienne like that, else she's try to stop him or follow him.
    + The Hound and the Stark girls. There's nothing more to say.
    + Danny revealing her true self finally. The years spent on focusing on the Iron Throne infected her with sick obsession. Her begging Jon to keep his ancestry a secret, then outright demanding him to, the way she treated him. Though her later reactions (after the dragon is killed) are understandable. I think the main point of this episode was to show her mental change. Feeling alone during celebration (did anyone notice that at one point her face impression was super similar to Cercei when she has that empty yet crazy look?), Tormund praising Jon. She's RIP, thats for sure.
    + Sansa playing the game. IMO she's the only competent player and I wouldnt be surprised if she end up sitting on the throne. The only semi-competent player left is Cercei, but she's digging her own grave. Sansa is up to something and I think Arya going south isnt accidental.

    - Bronn scene was shit. It went in such an awkward way, dont know, just felt anticlimatic and out of place.
    - Jon saying fuck you to Ghost. He even hugged Gilly goodbye but couldnt be arsed to pat Ghost. Scumbag.
    - whole ambush scene was dumb as fuck. I dont know what's worse: Danny not seeing Euron's ships, balistae having 100% accuracy towards Rhaegal, but missing all shots on Drogon flight-charging them, balistae then destroying Danny's fleet or Euron somehow capturing Missandei. Overall looks like the balista is the greatest war invention ever
    - that scene before KL. LMFAO. So much wrong here. THEY JUST KILLED YOUR DRAGON WITH BALISTAE AND YOU ARE PARKING ANOTHER ONE HERE, WITH MANY MORE POINTED AT HIM. And the archers. Only thing worse than them being dumb enough to just come here was Cercei not outright murdering them. Why the fuck not?
    - Cercei pregnancy. So either she's pregnant with Jaime and it should be showing by now but it didnt (and we cant be sure if the writers just didnt think about it), Tyrion should notice that so why the pointless talk about the child? Or she just lied, so again, what the point of talking about it. What was the point of any of that. Did they seriously think Cercei would yield? Why would she? Not only she has an advantage now, she has no reason to belive Danny would spare them (and she wouldnt after they killed her dragon, you can be sure of that).

    Yet another case of nice episode to watch, but terribly written if you're the series fan.

  6. #26186
    Lol this is great.


  7. #26187
    Quote Originally Posted by Amunrasonther View Post
    If Dany attacks on Drogon in broad daylight, with no form of protection, she's going to fall dead instantly with all those scorpions aimed at her. I do think Euron looks worried or shocked in the promo, and I think it was telling when Cersei asked him if he's sure he killed one of the dragons. So this all makes me think either A) Rhaegal isn't really dead, B) She somehow has more dragons, C) there's something to the Tyrion Targaryen theory, or D) and probably the most likely.. Drogon is somehow decked out in armor.
    It's Yara I think.

  8. #26188
    Quote Originally Posted by Amunrasonther View Post
    If Dany attacks on Drogon in broad daylight, with no form of protection, she's going to fall dead instantly with all those scorpions aimed at her. I do think Euron looks worried or shocked in the promo, and I think it was telling when Cersei asked him if he's sure he killed one of the dragons. So this all makes me think either A) Rhaegal isn't really dead, B) She somehow has more dragons, C) there's something to the Tyrion Targaryen theory, or D) and probably the most likely.. Drogon is somehow decked out in armor.
    Yeah I think its either Drogon in armor or Rhaegal is alive. Probably the latter just for the "YEAH" factor when it appears on tv.

  9. #26189
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Lol this is great.

    Love it man that was great.
    Do you hear the voices too?

  10. #26190
    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    Really, it's because they have this deep, complex mystical backdrop to the story, and the Battle of Winterfell the writer just said "lol syke" and dropped all of it as irrelevant, with a 15 second scene of Arya stabbing a dude. There won't be answers to any of that, because the writers decided to write it all out as pointless.
    So the same treatment Dorne and Reach got. Sacrificed on the altar of D&D rushing the fuck out of the story because they got bored making GoT and now that they undeservedly got big due to it (undeservedly because the moment they started introducing their own ideas instead of GRRM propping them up the show went to shit) they have other venues to go to.


    Quote Originally Posted by rogueMatthias View Post
    lol this 100%.

    Lets all just be glad that the NK wasn't killed by another Euron Greyjoy surprise fleet attack in the middle of Winterfell. Wouldn't put it past the writers at the moment, they have a super boner for him.
    Great, now I can't stop imagining Euron's ship randomly teleporting above Winterfell with Euron 360 no scope sniping the Night King with the scorpion while the ship is in free fall.


    Quote Originally Posted by MakeMeLaugh View Post
    He just happened to teleport into Winterfell at the exact place Tyrion and Jaime were without anyone noticing. Then he proceed to make demands which he cannot make anyone actually pay for them since he has no power and then left, except that now both Jaime and Tyrion know "they are in danger" and could simply tell the someone to kill Bronn.

    So much for Bronn ignoring the sack of gold and actually saving Jaime.
    Not "just happened". Qyburn finally found Littlefinger's teleportation network and since he's the one who convinced Bronn on Cersei's behalf it isn't a surprise he'd let him use it for Cersei's top secret mission.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

  11. #26191
    Quote Originally Posted by Byuiso View Post
    I am also doubting if Rhaegal is dead and if he is will the Lord of Light step in a revive him? Melisandre clearly said Jon is the Prince That Was Promised and they haven't addressed it at all and if anything last episode and this one were the perfect times to address it.

    They are very vague on Rhaegal right now along with unsure of his death(or at least the wording indicates it), and the next episode preview made me think it as well.

    Nobody knows what is out west which is why Ayra wants to go west.
    Unless they can fix that hole in its neck, im pretty sure its dead.

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V_v6VINwkEk

  12. #26192
    Quote Originally Posted by Xilurm View Post
    Lol this is great.

    Great what? Summary of what this person read on the internet? Posted May 2nd and contains nothing new or imaginative. He took a bunch of great internet posts and cut out what he did not like and put up a basterdized version of the original authors' work. He even had 4 days to prepare it all (at least twice as long as others) and came up with this?

  13. #26193


    You know how hard it would be to fire a projectile from a rocking boat to hit a flying dragon at hundreds of yards away?

    Pretty ****ing difficult.

    Also the prose is getting pretty purple

    .

    "This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."

    -- Capt. Copeland

  14. #26194
    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    I just saw the promo for episode 5. Euron looks to the sky rather shocked/surprised. It can be the only remaining dragon dany has, cause he knows about that one. What can it be?
    The Iron Space Fleet from the future, sailing through the sky to this moment in history to kill Euron who turns out to be a temporal anomaly.


    Quote Originally Posted by RobertoCarlos View Post
    Cersei is on Arya's list, IE we are expecting that.

    D&D "We want to subvert expectation"......Pod to kill Cersei.
    Actually, it's Gendry. He became a Faceless Man on the spot to impress Arya so they can be together.
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Does the CIA pay you for your bullshit or are you just bootlicking in your free time?
    Quote Originally Posted by Kangodo View Post
    Slant is an extremist, willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone to keep his wet dream of the EU alive.
    You shouldn't support people like him, it's like supporting ISIS.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crusadernero View Post
    Well, at this point decent logic and good writing is clearly being thrown out the window just to create WOW/WTF situations. Its obvious, that even after 7 previous seasons and the option to take theyre time and build everything up, they have now forced themself to end the show one way or another. They went for the visual effects as a way to end it all, two major battles and all.

    Just look at the scene in episode 4 when the dragon is hit. Suddenly, out of nowhere(with two dragons with dany one one of them), appears. Neither the dragons or Dany saw them. How is that even possible? Then when the dragon goes down with curgical precision, they go on and miss with 10+ shots on dany and her dragon.
    And instead of actually just fly BEHIND the ships and torch it all up, dany flees. I mean, those ships cant turn quickly. Those ballistas cant be charged quickly. So why the hell does she flee?

    That whole scene had only 1 mission. To create WOW/WTF moment with a shot down dragon and Missandei captured. Beyond that it did nothing. This is the second time the Iron fleet just WOSH appears out of nowhere and everyone is caught off guard. Why even go with boats when they got theyre asses kicked last time?

    I have lots of other quirks with season 8, but to sum it up everything feels so cheap and cut short now.
    Ugh yeah. This episode was such a steaming pile. I am so scared for the next 2 episodes just being absolute garbage. So many things just made absolutely no sense.

    Bronn went down to Winterfell from King's Landing, a trip that would have taken weeks, in the middle of winter mind you, waltzed right in to Winterfell, just happened to come upon Tyrion AND Jamie alone somewhere (how convenient for him!) only to say ok what's your offer? And then be like ok cool see ya byeeeeeee and head back to Winterfell? um, ok.

    Gendry proposing to Arya was... dumb. You stuck your dick in her one time man, relax. And then Arya's dialog this season seems to be primarily just rehashed lines of what she said before. "I'm not a lady. That's not me" oooooooh more throwbacks, how cool. /eyeroll

    What the fuck happened with Jamie and Brienne? There was ZERO chemistry between them. Their whole thing was just awkward. And then Jamie is like "yeah not for me, gonna go find Cersei, byeeee. Thanks for the 6 seasons of characters growth but I'm good". I understand he's probably going to kill Cersei and end this but hey how about you just tell Brienne that? Oh, I know why, fake drama. GREAT writing.

    And here's Dany and Jon with another incredibly stupid plan. Instead of just killing Cersei let's just lay siege to King's Landing and make everyone turn on her! That will surely win their love and respect Dany! Oh and let's make sure we travel separately for ... reasons. Everything with Dany just sucked this episode. I would have been fine with the Mad Queen arc except they're doing it with the subtlety of a ..... something not even remotely subtle :P I'm at Winterfell, and I'M CRAZY NOW RAAAAAAWR!!! SO MUCH JEALOUSY!!!!! DRACARYS!!!!! MUH DRAGON!!!! MISAANDEEEIIII!!!

    And Dragonstone. You're telling me that while everyone was at Winterfell fighting the Night King's army it didn't occur to any of them that hey maybe Cersei isn't just sitting in her castle ever so politely waiting until we finish to make a move? Why would we scout Dragonstone first to make sure it's safe? Naa Let's just go. So Urine is a rogue and /casts Shroud of Concealment on his fleet AGAIN (Best ability ever in Westeros) because he can somehow launch not one, not two, but THREE bolts from their Scorpions and get 3 direct hits no less before anybody notices his little fleet of ships. And what does Dany do? She flies at them only to run away. I guess their precision Scorpion firers had a shift change cause the new guys took over and man they just missed with like 30 bolts. Sucks for Urine. But it's cool he managed to catch Missandei and only Missandei despite everyone in the bay now swimming to shore. So why didn't he kill anyone else? Did he just sail away? Did Dany really just leave everyone in the bay to die? It was such a stupid scene...

    But now TIMESKIP! Yay we're infront of King's Landing now, Dany has her VERY intimidating 2.5 Unsullied behind her and her dragon kickin a little ways back. Meanwhile Cersei has her Scorpions, Dany in her sights, and instead is like "Ok gurl let's talk" instead of just nuking the fuck out of them. She also let's Tyrion walk up to the gate, have a little chat, and then lets him walk off again cause he mentioned babies I guess. Cersei is prone to bouts of forgiveness and generosity so it was TOTALLY in character for her to do nothing with all these opportunities. DAMN that kind heart of hers!!!! On the flip side hey Dany, here's Cersei, the Mountain, and Qyburn. Maybe just hop on your dragon and burn them all. After Missandei literally lost her head ( I think from the sheer stupidity of the episode ) Dany just walks off. I have an idea. How about you hop on that dragon of yours and just start torching people. Urine had the marksman Scorpion fighters so you woulda been good. Even if Cersei was trying to get away pretty sure that dragon fire woulda obliterated anything she was hiding in. Just another all around stupid scene. It's only purpose was to just show us Dany is losing her shit more. Again, with absolutely no subtlety or nuance.

    Another stupid things is I may be wrong but I'm pretty sure as far as storylines go Yara, Sam and Gilly, and Tormund are now officially done. They really got the shaft. It was just kinda like well ok take care, hope ya win, bye. I mean the Yara kidnapping storyline couldn't have been more pointless. She got kidnapped, Urine said some stuff, then she got rescued. Cool, EPIC storytelling there.

    All in all this is far and away the WORST episode of the show. It felt like I was watching a show that was trying to be Game of Thrones but completely abandoned character development, rational thinking, nuanced storytelling, and anything else that made Game of Thrones what it was. I have no words for my level of dissapointment with this episode. I pray somehow the next 2 episodes manage to just knock it out of the park and give this story and these characters the ending they deserve, but I am not hopeful.

    (Before someone mentions it I am aware his name is Euron, but he is such a piss-poor character I call him Urine)

    I'd also like to add that Bran is the most useless character in the show. He can literally see what is happening everywhere and he is no help to anyone. He is fucking useless.
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  16. #26196
    Actually Ser Pounce will scratch/bite Cersei to death next episode. You wouldnt expect that so its good.

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    Has anyone mentioned the four dragons on the astrolabe in the opening credits? I'm not sure what to think about that. Why four and not three?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gabriel View Post
    How is it possible to misinterpret the scene in the promo with Euron looking at the sky so wrong?... He is not worried, he is anticipating the dragon to attack.
    He didn't look worried (or surprised) to me, either. He looked like he was trying to make out what was going on and isn't quite sure of what he's really seeing. Maybe it will turn into worry, surprise, or alarm after the few moments we're shown.

    Quote Originally Posted by ohwell View Post
    ......Except she hit him in practically the armpit and the spot they CLEARLY put it was directly mid chest and it wasn't wide, so no it was not a matter of a weak spot.
    I thought at first that she hit him in the top of his stomach, but below where the dragonglass was. The writers insist that she hit him in the chest, so my attitude at this point is: ok, whatever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Monkeymootwo View Post
    I'd also like to add that Bran is the most useless character in the show. He can literally see what is happening everywhere and he is no help to anyone. He is fucking useless.
    Seriously.

    You've got a dude who can effortlessly scout miles and miles of terrain, from the air, without putting anything at risk and likely without giving the enemy any warning or indication they've been seen. He can Warg into birds and cover as much territory as Dany and her dragons, without presenting a target, and likely covering way more terrain.

    Does he use this tactically? Nah. He uses it when he's bored and never tells anyone anything.

    The greatest problem with Bran is he should be the strategic lynchpin, way more so than the dragons. He's military intelligence, the dragons are just aerial artillery. Hell, Warg into some rats, scout out the palace, pass the info on to Arya once you find gaps in defenses, send her in to tickle Cersei in the throat with Needle, problem solved.

    He's the most powerful individual in the show. And he sits on his chair brooding. The only important things he's done recently have been A> confirm Sam's research is correct, and B> be bait for the Night King.

  19. #26199
    Bran does nothing while Euron, an absolute moron on the show who actually thinks Cersei is pregnant with his baby, is somehow a strategic god with his fleet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ohiostate124 View Post
    Bran does nothing while Euron, an absolute moron on the show who actually thinks Cersei is pregnant with his baby, is somehow a strategic god with his fleet.
    How did Tyrion know she was pregnant by the way?
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i've said i'd like to have one of those bad dragon dildos shaped like a horse, because the shape is nicer than human.
    Quote Originally Posted by derpkitteh View Post
    i was talking about horse cock again, told him to look at your sig.

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