1. #28901
    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Wasn't that straight from the books though? The entire Battle of the Bastards? Its been a lot of years (since I read the books years before that scene in the show), but I know much of how that battle went (from its start to how it finished) was covered in the books. I realize most of what D&D was doing by then was made up, but some of it still was stuff taken from the books.

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    As to Martin and finishing the series. It took Stephen King having a near fatal accident to finish the Dark Tower series - another book series an author decided to take 10+ years or so between books in the series. (King actually admits that himself.) I'm really hopeful it wont take Martin something similar before he finishes it! But I too, much like I did with King once upon a time, am a "I'll believe it when I'm reading it."

    I just really hope he does! Cuz I really want a better ending.
    Nope, books ends just before battle Boltons vs. Stannis and Mereen. Daenerys gone, Jon assasinated, Stannis daugther safe on the Wall, cause her father is not lunatic.

  2. #28902
    Jon hasn't even been resurrected in the books, yet. Although every fan has known it's coming since pretty much ADoD was published. Let alone fielded an army to take back Winterfell.

    Hell, Sansa isn't in Winterfell, Arya is blind in Braavos, and Cat Stark is hanging men in the Riverlands. No one's near Winterfell except Ramsay and his fake-Arya. Last we checked in with Stannis, he and his men were freezing to death in a storm somewhere neaaaaaaaaarish to Winterfell but not really. And Shireen/Melisandre/Selyse are nowhere near him.

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    Well..hrm... -
    Why do I have clear memories of knowing what was going on before it happened in the show? (Or did the show just change this order?)

    I knew (from the books) before he loosed him before the actual Battle, that Ramsey's bow was going to miss 'a few times' and then shoot the Stark kid in the back. (SERPENTINE KID! XD)

    I knew from the books (before the episode) how Sansa gets her revenge/how Ramsay is killed? Hell, I remember looking forward to seeing the reaction on the husband's face when he saw it for the first time and hoping they didn't change it from the book.

    ??? Are you sure you guys read up through the last book? Cuz now I'm just confoozeled.

    (I remember reading about Jon's resurrection but I don't know if I saw that vs. read it in the book first.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Well..hrm... -
    Why do I have clear memories of knowing what was going on before it happened in the show? (Or did the show just change this order?)

    I knew (from the books) before he loosed him before the actual Battle, that Ramsey's bow was going to miss 'a few times' and then shoot the Stark kid in the back. (SERPENTINE KID! XD)

    I knew from the books (before the episode) how Sansa gets her revenge/how Ramsay is killed? Hell, I remember looking forward to seeing the reaction on the husband's face when he saw it for the first time and hoping they didn't change it from the book.

    ??? Are you sure you guys read up through the last book? Cuz now I'm just confoozeled.

    (I remember reading about Jon's resurrection but I don't know if I saw that vs. read it in the book first.)
    None of the examples you typed happened in the books, yet.
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    Interesting to hear about Cat Stark from the books. I'm still so sad she never returned in the tv show. Would have been so bad ass. Maybe I should read the books.

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    So weird - I checked the publication of the last novel - 2011. I guess in ten years your mind just likes to play tricks on you! =D It does like to do that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pebrocks The Warlock View Post
    None of the examples you typed happened in the books, yet.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Well..hrm... -
    Why do I have clear memories of knowing what was going on before it happened in the show? (Or did the show just change this order?)

    I knew (from the books) before he loosed him before the actual Battle, that Ramsey's bow was going to miss 'a few times' and then shoot the Stark kid in the back. (SERPENTINE KID! XD)

    I knew from the books (before the episode) how Sansa gets her revenge/how Ramsay is killed? Hell, I remember looking forward to seeing the reaction on the husband's face when he saw it for the first time and hoping they didn't change it from the book.

    ??? Are you sure you guys read up through the last book? Cuz now I'm just confoozeled.

    (I remember reading about Jon's resurrection but I don't know if I saw that vs. read it in the book first.)
    Yes. In the books Sansa is still in the Vale with Littlefinger who is still trying to establish power there. The north left off with Bolton's army making its way to Winterfell to fight Stannis' army and Theon having just made his escape with fake Sansa. Also, Jon Snow hasn't been resurrected yet. The last thing that happened is him sinking into a pool of his own blood.

  8. #28908
    Interestingly enough, in the Vale Sansa is known as Littlefinger's niece.....so the creepy stalker LF becomes might be difficult to pull off in the books. And she has substantially more power over LF in the books, as she witnessed his murder of Lyssa Arryn, and is covering for him, for now. She can easily reveal herself as Sansa Stark, tell the Lords of the Vale that LF murdered Lyssa, and insinuate he killed Joffrey (which he did), and kidnapped her (which he didn't really). And Littlefinger knows all this, so it's up to GRRM to see how well she's learned to play the game during the time she's been married to Joff.

  9. #28909
    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    So weird - I checked the publication of the last novel - 2011. I guess in ten years your mind just likes to play tricks on you! =D It does like to do that.
    I also remember not really liking the last book. There was the chapter he ends with Tyrion going underwater and I was like god damn it, yet another cliffhanger maybe-death, how many times is old George gonna pull this? Then the book ended with everyone stabbing Jon...

    GRRM seems to really want to keep expanding the world and keep us guessing, and he strayed further and further from the main story thread the further he went along, and that was the source of my real displeasure. From Brienne in the forest to Meereen, there hasn't been much progress on the central story for a while. Like half the main plot points occur in the first book.

    I just don't think he wants to bring it to an end, he wants to keep characters wandering in ever smaller, less meaningful arcs as he continues to flesh out the detail of the world he's building.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Koriani View Post
    Well..hrm... -
    Why do I have clear memories of knowing what was going on before it happened in the show? (Or did the show just change this order?)

    I knew (from the books) before he loosed him before the actual Battle, that Ramsey's bow was going to miss 'a few times' and then shoot the Stark kid in the back. (SERPENTINE KID! XD)

    I knew from the books (before the episode) how Sansa gets her revenge/how Ramsay is killed? Hell, I remember looking forward to seeing the reaction on the husband's face when he saw it for the first time and hoping they didn't change it from the book.

    ??? Are you sure you guys read up through the last book? Cuz now I'm just confoozeled.

    (I remember reading about Jon's resurrection but I don't know if I saw that vs. read it in the book first.)
    Here's my main (not all that original, I don't think) theory: they were supposed to go north above the wall (losing a dragon in the process) to rescue Bran, not to "capture a wight to prove to Cersei". But the showrunners sent Bran south too early and they had to come up with some excuse to go north and lose a dragon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    Interestingly enough, in the Vale Sansa is known as Littlefinger's niece.....so the creepy stalker LF becomes might be difficult to pull off in the books. And she has substantially more power over LF in the books, as she witnessed his murder of Lyssa Arryn, and is covering for him, for now. She can easily reveal herself as Sansa Stark, tell the Lords of the Vale that LF murdered Lyssa, and insinuate he killed Joffrey (which he did), and kidnapped her (which he didn't really). And Littlefinger knows all this, so it's up to GRRM to see how well she's learned to play the game during the time she's been married to Joff.
    Oh don't get me started on Book Sansa vs. TV Show Sansa.

    I hated Sansa's guts from book one onwards. IN the books (TO ME) she has remained a idiot spoiled brat who deserves everything that happens to her, because she's so horribly selfish (and because she was so blind to reality).

    I was a bit peeved that the tv show gave her a break on that, made her less repulsively bratty and had her 'grow up' faster/sooner - because that's not the view I have of that character from the books. Its one of the issues I have with her character - that despite everything she's been through and seen - she still hasn't learned much; unlike her sister. She still can't play the game, and isn't predicting the game, in a realistic way - given everything that's happened. She DOES do that in the show - learns faster, regrets faster - but in the books, she doesn't so much.

    And I'm not normally someone who gets all "Must match book" when books are converted to movies/tv shows. I usually am fine with most changes/shifts and can ride it out as just 'a different way of seeing it' and can enjoy all formats of a story - even when they don't match. But for Sansa, apparently that struck a nerve! "She doesn't deserve sympathy! Don't feel bad for her! She's awful! She fits right in with Jeoffrey's family!"
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    I think we were only beginning to see Sansa understand the game when the "noble knight" who was to rescue her from Joffrey ended up being Littlefinger, and the dire, abusive situation she just left became a new, dire abusive situation under Littlefinger.

    That's why I've been waiting 9 years to see how and when she grows up, and how hard and fast she'll fall into that cynicism - because I doubt she's gonna take after Ned, she'll take after the parent she looks like, Cat Tully, who is currently hanging Freys in the Riverlands.

    Ironically, I think Arya's understanding of the game is gonna be less complete Sansa, in the long run. Like Jon, Arya sees things in a very black and white and doesn't bend like a reed. She's at best, a blunt instrument. I think we also start to see that at the end of book 5, and I don't think she'll be let off as easily as she was in the show for not learning the lessons of The Faceless Men.

    Unlike most readers, I didn't hate Sansa much. She's the oldest daughter of an important lord, and from birth had this image of being a princess. While that might be naive for any normal girl, she's the notedly beautiful daughter of an important lord, who happens to be best friends with the current King, who happens to have a son who is set to become King who is her age. Her viewpoint wasn't unreasonable to have.

    She was a little slow on the uptake in figuring out that Joff was a monster, as was Cersei, and the guy who looked like a monster (Sandor) wasn't really. And she clung to it a little long in hoping for a gallant knight to rescue her....but I think she's well divorced of that now.

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    Paddy Considine Cast in Lead Role in House of the Dragon

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    Paddy Considine Cast in Lead Role in House of the Dragon

    http://watchersonthewall.com/paddy-c...n/#more-179657
    After last season I made a last ditch hope with the now-cancelled show by making a thread about it, others didn't want to bother to for understandable reasons n now I'm 99.9% numb, I was 99.8% numb when I made the thread...if ur less numb, you could make a thread? Since, technically each show should have its own thread, like the hobbit movies weren't posted updates on in the Lotr thread. I'm typing these words mechanically, it doesn't mean I have any passion for this new show..but I did get a smirk at the lead, so different from the fan art that looks like it's for soccer mom romantic novel covers at the grocery..always looks like a blonde male model stud that could be thor xD



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    From the GoT Twitter account:

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    Olivia Cooke, Emma D’Arcy, and Matt Smith join the cast of @HBO’s #HouseOfTheDragon
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    Fairy tales are more than true – not because they tell us dragons exist, but because they tell us dragons can be beaten. -G. K. Chesterton & Neil Gaiman

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    I do like Rhys Ifans, not seen him in much for a while, look forward to seeing how he does with this.
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    I do like Rhys Ifans, not seen him in much for a while, look forward to seeing how he does with this.
    All I can think of when I see Rhys Ifans is his role in Notting Hill.

  18. #28918
    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    All I can think of when I see Rhys Ifans is his role in Notting Hill.
    Yep. When I saw his face I was like, “oh, the dude from Notting Hill that was constantly without clothes” lol
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    ..that is woke casting, I'm out...we are only talking about valyrians who kept it in the family for the sake of dragon blood, to keep their dragon WMD power intact..it's not about skin color, but blood, while velaryons aren't dragonlords, they are close to the targaryens ie want to be close to power, the blood, his grand children look like typical valyrians, hair, eye-color, etc. but here they want to be close to power n yet are re-born as summer sea people..we are just going to ignore the core goal of this whole franchise, the quest for power, thrones just to be woke? If this is their choice after D&D ran the franchise into the ground, is this how they are trying to resurrect it? hello?..after how GoT got dropped by the fans, one should appeal to them for the sake of lore, no? no???

    I am out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ihavewaffles View Post
    ..that is woke casting, I'm out...we are only talking about valyrians who kept it in the family for the sake of dragon blood, to keep their dragon WMD power intact..it's not about skin color, but blood, while velaryons aren't dragonlords, they are close to the targaryens ie want to be close to power, the blood, his grand children look like typical valyrians, hair, eye-color, etc. but here they want to be close to power n yet are re-born as summer sea people..we are just going to ignore the core goal of this whole franchise, the quest for power, thrones just to be woke? If this is their choice after D&D ran the franchise into the ground, is this how they are trying to resurrect it? hello?..after how GoT got dropped by the fans, one should appeal to them for the sake of lore, no? no???

    I am out.

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    Uh, okay?

    If you’re referring to Steve Toussaint and Sonora Mizuno....

    Toussaint: Lord Corlys Velaryon aka “The Sea Snake.” The lord of House Velaryon, a Valyrian bloodline as old as House Targaryen

    Mizuno: Mysaria. She came to Westeros with nothing, sold more times than she can recall, and could have wilted…but instead she rose to become the most trusted — and most unlikely — ally of Prince Daemon Targaryen, the heir to the throne.

    The show may be about Targaryens, but that doesn’t mean it’s all about them. They’ll be coming in contact with other people of Westeros.

    So what exactly is the problem?
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