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    All I can say is, I'm so glad I'm not as invested in this show as my friends, the fuck is even going on anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    I mean, we literally shat on the Prince that was Promised in GOT.
    I know I'm a book snob, but this really did irritate me. GRRM has made an incredibly internally consistent series of "prophetic" dreams/visions etc. While it's impossible for characters in-world to decipher, they're very much accurate and possible for us to interpret. D&D clearly fucked with that in it's entirety, which is annoying as hell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Void Fallen View Post
    It pisses me off how Euron was able to kill Rhaegal when the Night King and Viserion couldn't. It also pisses me off that the Night King isn't mentioned ONCE in this episode. You'd think Ice Satan would still be in everyone's thoughts. Finally, it greatly pisses me off how they made such a big deal out of the Night King and in the end he doesn't even get past Winterfell, the second northernmost castle in the continent. I wanted to see the South quiver in fear as the Night King invaded.

    But No, we just have to continue with the forced political drama because "It'S cAlLeD gAmE oF tHrOnEs".
    We goddamned started this series north of the wall with the white walkers.

    D&D brought their end too quickly without satisfaction. I don't mind so much that Arya killed the NK, but the NK needed to be the threat he was and Brann should have done something that visibly had to do with his warging abilities (more than control some crows.)

    Winterfell should have fallen, Jon should have been forced to retreat.

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    Disappointing as expected.

    I understand needing to write out the dragons to stop them from being a 'just dragon and win' button but they didn't even attempt to make it believable, just go with totally accurate rapid fire ballista's.

    And Cersei, someone who had no problem with blowing up a church full of people somehow doesn't end the war right there when her enemy shows up in bow range.

    Somehow 50% of the army survives a Pyrrhic victory in a castle defense.
    Jamie boning Brienne out of left field turning his admiration into what? pitty for her being a virgin?
    Good that he got the directors memo about needing to go kill Cersie. He almost forgot.
    Oh and its always good to discuss treason in a mostly empty castle with big echoing hallways so everyone can hear you.

    I look forward to the battle next episode that will probably make as little sense as the previous one.
    Sigh.

    ps. Ghost casually written out because mah budget.
    Brann will likely never be mentioned again.
    Still no clue what he was doing warging at the end of the battle.
    Guess they really wanted that show of a crow flying through flame.
    It ignores such insignificant forces as time, entropy, and death

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    Quote Originally Posted by Adam Jensen View Post
    We goddamned started this series north of the wall with the white walkers.

    D&D brought their end too quickly without satisfaction. I don't mind so much that Arya killed the NK, but the NK needed to be the threat he was and Brann should have done something that visibly had to do with his warging abilities (more than control some crows.)

    Winterfell should have fallen, Jon should have been forced to retreat.
    The South should have been PULLED into the conflict by necessity. Not able to act like it never happened, much like the show will do these last 2 eps.
    READ and be less Ignorant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StayTuned View Post
    I have my own theory about that.

    Because when you think about it from a financial point of view, GRRM could not want the show to spoiler the ending of the books.

    Like, why the hell would a writer want to have his story spoiled by a TV show, when he still has to write two (right?) books to end it himself.

    I guess that somewhere after Jon died and was resurrected the next season, GRRM told D&D that they can simply fuck off and not spoiler his book's ending. He guided them roughly to where he wanted to go but ultimately kept his actual ending to himself.

    That's why I suspect to see two different endings in GoT and ASOIAF. Not majorly different, but ASOIAF is probably going to switch the two fights between NK and Cersei, or at least merge them to one epic ending.

    I mean, we literally shat on the Prince that was Promised in GOT.
    The NK is not the same thing in the books as in the show. There is not a white walker 'king' in the books, white walkers wildly differs from the book counterpart 'the others'. I dont think they will be as huge in the last books as on the show, so I dont understand people, who call themself book fans, are disappointed in the shows dealing of the NK.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packness View Post
    The NK is not the same thing in the books as in the show. There is not a white walker 'king' in the books, white walkers wildly differs from the book counterpart 'the others'. I dont think they will be as huge in the last books as on the show, so I dont understand people, who call themself book fans, are disappointed in the shows dealing of the NK.
    In a way, the creators pissed off both sides. The book fans were pissed off that the adaptation spent a lot of time to make the story all about generic Walking Dead zombies - and then didn't even make it pay off. And the show fans, who wanted to see the conclusion of the Zombie Storyline, got a shit and rushed conclusion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Packness View Post
    The NK is not the same thing in the books as in the show. There is not a white walker 'king' in the books, white walkers wildly differs from the book counterpart 'the others'. I dont think they will be as huge in the last books as on the show, so I dont understand people, who call themself book fans, are disappointed in the shows dealing of the NK.
    While what you've said holds for those who read the books and watch the show in some cases, you are missing something for others who are book fans and watch the show (like myself; I started the books back when the first one came out) because you're focused on the assumption that some are arguing that they be similar or even the same. I don't see StayTuned saying this, and yet you seem to assume she/he was. He was talking about how the books and show might be different in the end and possible reasons why.

    Let me explain to you, from the perspective of someone who began reading the books in the 1990s and loves both them and the show (until this season), doesn't expect them to be the same or even similar, and yet who is disappointed in season 8. People who call themselves book fans are disappointed with how it dealt with the NK in season 8 because of what the writers did early on in the show. Namely, the show gave us 7 seasons of building up the NK/white walkers/others as an existential threat to all life on Westeros, gestured to the Prince that was Promised prophecy and hinted that Dany or Jon might fulfill that in the dealing with the others, and then jerked us around by not paying that off. It was in the show, and it was completely ignored because the writers didn't feel right and wanted to surprise us. Fuck them for developing this storyline, making us think that this fight would be more of a struggle than it really was, and then ignoring all of that previous framework. THAT is why some of us who were equally book and show fans are disappointed, pissed, or irritated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    The South should have been PULLED into the conflict by necessity. Not able to act like it never happened, much like the show will do these last 2 eps.
    I agree with you. I was led to believe that this conflict with the NK/others was quite serious and very challenging, but all I learned was that all of the previous buildup was glorified bullshit, an elaborate misdirect, or the writers didn't expect us to remember all they had written previously and so thought they could get away with it. Whatever their reasons, I remain disappointed at the show's outcome so far and irritated at the writers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Its defo not the same GoT from s1-4. It is known.
    If the script leaks for the last episodes (which so far have been 100% correct for ep4) hold true, they should even be allowed to keep the same name and IP...

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    My issue so far this season isn't so much what happens, but rather how. Like the Dothraki getting stomped should have been a way to show just how terrifying the dead were. It was open field, they had flaming swords, they'd been bigged up since season one. It was only last season Jaime was telling Cersi the Dothraki toyed with him/the Tarlys.

    It should have been a oh shit they're getting wrecked how menacing are the dead. And it was...for about 30 seconds, then everything just fell apart.

    Same with killing the dragon this episode. They've already hinted at the new and improved scorpions, we knew these were going to be a threat. They had to be for Cersi to actually stand a chance. But Eulon appearing out of nowhere firing them while on a boat with precision accuracy ruins the whole thing.

    Bronn being sent to kill Jaime/Tyrion - wasted oppurtunity. Bronn out of character. But again, him being sent to kill them isn't the issue.

    Tyrion and Varys plotting against Dany - them souring on her isn't out of character, the way they're going about it is though.

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    GoT became a meme. A good meme at least.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    I remember people in this thread claiming it wasn't rape the night of the episode, to justify the shit writing. So......?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowferal View Post
    Oh, Jesus Christ.

    Overcoming any tragedy or traumatic event can make somebody stronger. I can't even with this shit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eschatological View Post
    I remember people in this thread claiming it wasn't rape the night of the episode, to justify the shit writing. So......?
    ...they were wrong.

    What ‘Game of Thrones’ Gets Wrong About Sansa Stark and Abuse

    Benioff and Weiss may have meant for the best when writing Sansa’s line to the Hound, but the words themselves deny the truth of her experiences. They refute the actions she took—actions they wrote—to heal, they ignore the psychological impact of cumulative trauma, and they could cause harm to survivors who don’t feel strong, either because of or in spite of what happened to them. Rape, assault, and abuse are designed to make people feel like denigrated, powerless “little birds.” True healing takes place when survivors reject that narrative and find power and affirmation elsewhere. This is true for me, for Sansa, and for every person who has ever been wounded by others. To say or imply otherwise is irresponsible and damaging, especially when writing for a show as popular as Game of Thrones.

    David Benioff and D.B. Weiss wrote Sansa’s story and should know her character thoroughly. She deserves to own her growth, not owe it to her abusers. She may be a show’s invention, but she deserves better. As for us viewers, we are not fictional. Our scars are real. We deserve writers who truly reflect a survivor’s story.

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    This is the West getting to enjoy the horror of an anime original ending.

    Maybe in a decade’s time we’ll get Game of Thrones: Brotherhood.

    Just kidding, Winds of Winter still won’t be out by then.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Isilrien View Post
    Namely, the show gave us 7 seasons of building up the NK/white walkers/others as an existential threat to all life on Westeros, gestured to the Prince that was Promised prophecy and hinted that Dany or Jon might fulfill that in the dealing with the others, and then jerked us around by not paying that off. It was in the show, and it was completely ignored because the writers didn't feel right and wanted to surprise us. Fuck them for developing this storyline, making us think that this fight would be more of a struggle than it really was, and then ignoring all of that previous framework. THAT is why some of us who were equally book and show fans are disappointed, pissed, or irritated.
    There's also that these things are allegorical. The Night King is an elemental force of nature. That's how he's presented; he is Winter. It isn't that winter comes, and he takes advantage, the description was always as if he were the one drawing that veil Southward. He was created by the Children of the Forest (creatures tied directly to nature) as a weapon against the First Men; nature rising up to swallow them.

    That's an engaging story, and a worthy subject to tackle.

    It becomes astonishingly stupid when the resolution turns out to be "hey, has, like, anyone tried to stab this guy, at any time, in the last few thousand years?"

    There's nothing particularly special about Arya's dagger, or Arya herself. She's a Faceless Man, sure, but that doesn't make her super-awesome at killing White Walkers or something. And her dagger's Valyrian Steel; that stuff's rare now, but it didn't used to be, and dragonglass works the same way, which people have known the whole time. Jon Snow and friends didn't invent the dragonglass-as-a-weapon thing, they rediscovered it, since it had been apparently forgotten.

    But as written, Arya killed Nature by stabbing it real hard one time, and then everything bad exploded and everyone was saved. It's so fucking lazy.

    Hell, have the Night King die, Viserion screams and flies away, the White Walkers gather what few wights they can control and try to flee, most of the Wight army collapses into bones. The White Walkers will retreat and recover for a few centuries, a new one will rise to the mantle, and the cycle continues. That's fine; that makes the Night King not the avatar of nature, but just the current ambassador.

    It's like if you had a story about the conflicts between the Faerie courts, and how they were meddling with humanity, and had been doing so for ten thousand years. Queen Mab, leader of the Winter Court, most dangerous Fae there is, is just about to win a serious victory.

    And someone just, like, stabs her with a letter opener and she dies and the entire Winter Court dies and everything is saved forever.

    You'd throw your shoe at whoever wrote that bullshit. Well, that's what happened here.

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    Well itlsnt that what happnened thousands of yearz ago in thhe first long night, they drove away the Night King somhow, and he has been bulding his army up sincd then

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    Quote Originally Posted by Endus View Post
    There's also that these things are allegorical. The Night King is an elemental force of nature. That's how he's presented; he is Winter. It isn't that winter comes, and he takes advantage, the description was always as if he were the one drawing that veil Southward. He was created by the Children of the Forest (creatures tied directly to nature) as a weapon against the First Men; nature rising up to swallow them.
    That is a possible take on it, but would still need some kind of explanation in the show. If the NK is winter, then he could have brought winter down south whenever he wanted. Why is he coming now?

    I always thought (from the show) that, like you said, he is bounded by where winter is. He can make it worse and has powers that cause wind and storms, but can't cause climate shifts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xcess View Post
    Well itlsnt that what happnened thousands of yearz ago in thhe first long night, they drove away the Night King somhow, and he has been bulding his army up sincd then
    I'm thinking that over those thousands of years, people have forgotten or changed the story of what happened so that the really don't know. The history of Westeros happens over several thousand years, more than the amount of time that writing has been around in our history. It's amazing that Westeros would know as much as they do about events that long ago and have it be completely accurate. That is what Bran is for. He went back to see the creation of the NK, but they should have also shown him go back and do some research on the first time there was winter and what happened. Like have him get some useful information about how to defeat the white walkers. Everything anyone knew about killing them came from Sam and Jon accidentally killing one. What use is Bran's knowledge of history (which the NK supposedly wants to destroy) if he never tells anyone anything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IIamaKing View Post
    Funny, Veep had a line in the last episode where She gave the OK to kill a terrorist. The guy had a private zoo, with elephants, who got all burned up when they killed the guy. I laughed pretty hard, feel like it was a subtle nod to GoT.
    DUDE no fricking spoilers for other shows please!!! Here in the UK we haven't had this episode yet.

    Fuck's sake. Mind what you are writing please.

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