GRRM says he'll write the last 2 books and we'll read them and then decide how close they are to the tv series.
Thing about written fiction is you often get the character's thoughts, so well see what Dany was thinking one way or another.
GRRM says he'll write the last 2 books and we'll read them and then decide how close they are to the tv series.
Thing about written fiction is you often get the character's thoughts, so well see what Dany was thinking one way or another.
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"This will be a fight against overwhelming odds from which survival cannot be expected. We will do what damage we can."
-- Capt. Copeland
I didn't mind the direction things went or how they turned out because that is always going to work to some peoples favor or not. It is just we didn't have enough show to make it make a ton of sense in the last couple seasons, season 8 specifically badly. I mean the first seasons it was a massive adventure to just get from Kings Landing to Winterfell for Arya. In the last couple seasons she must have made similar trips multiple times in the length of between episodes. Which is where I think it went wrong. Early seasons that had source material had a lot of details and adventure between events and decisions. Once the source material ran out the great events and decisions continued but the details and adventure were lost along the way. Thus the ratio between "the why" and "the happening" got thrown out of wack and just kind of sputtered out even though it was among a ton of stuff happening.
One problem though. They surrendered. They were on the first step to bending the knee. However, is bending the knee even something civilians do? In any case she didn't show the world what happens if you refuse to bend the knee. She showed what happens if you surrender to her. You burn anyway. It's like if during the Tarly scene she would have burned the soldiers that bend the knee. It's nonsensical.
Quite a lot could be fixed if she just didn't burn people that had surrendered. The following episode would also have been better as the decision to kill her would have been much more "grey". It was so ridiculous I started laughing when Jon started to defend her (yes I know he loves his queen).
But that is the exact point most people are trying to make to you. Yeah, some people are legitimately upset by what happened to their favorite character, but most of us are just disappointed in the amateurish way the show got there.
I am confident GRR Martin gave at least the following plot points:
Dany commits an atrocity.
Jon kills her for it.
Jon goes back to the wall at the end.
Brann Stark winds up on the iron throne.
He probably also gave the endstate for a few other character arcs, and likely also covered the Kingsmoot style of Government, and possibly the independence of the North (I kind of doubt it, because it clashes so hard with Brann as king).
However, the path that Martin intends to take to get there will be likely extremely different. For instance, the Iron Islands plotline is massively more developed in the books, and it is likely that is what drives Westeros into a system that is extremely similar to their system of government. However since the show didn't really do anything with the Greyjoy plotlines, they introduced it as a random idea Tyrion had when locked up that nobody objected too. So the book probably gets there in a logical way, and the show pulled it out of its ass in the last 15 minutes of the show.
Likewise Daenerys probably has a better arc, Bronn probably actually does some shit before becoming king (And has a defined purpose for doing so). It feels like D&D wanted all of these plot points to be secret to the last two episodes, but don't know how to do any sort of buildup.
At least Gendry had a claim. It's fair in a way though, they had ended up in an unusual position where the throne which had always been taken by force, had just been taken and was also lost in such a way that left no successor. So whatever they did was going to be unconventional. The boardroom picks the CEO method was fine, a good addition even.
But yeah, I don't get how Bran is this well known sympathetic figure to the people who chose him. My headcannon is that they all assumed they could control him, and took a "better him than my rival" approach to it. With a lot of fleshing out it could have made sense, it just wasn't =/
Edit: would have loved to have seen less moping and more Sansa politicking on Bran's behalf, covertly working with Tyrion to execute this plan. Even with the limited time they had, they could have done more. 5 minutes could have laid any groundwork whatsoever.
Looking back on it
The lack of screen time for Cersei this season was absurd. D&D thinking 6 episodes would do these characters justice is a joke.
Patently false. Others were given a choice and forewarned of the consequence of their actions. Now it wasn't always fair, and certainly motivated by power with only little regard for their situation, but it there was always a chance to bow.
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Except King's Landing and all the soldiers in it were in the act of surrendering, which directly contradicts both your assertion that she had been rejected and your assertion that it's qualitatively the same as what came before. This isn't just a quantity thing. Her actions very much are different. This is aberrant behaviour, even for her. And it wasn't sufficiently set up. Even if she views the soldiers as "rejecting" her, they surrendered. And if she had followed her past actions, she would've then given them a choice. She never did. This goes doubly for the smallfolk of King's Landing who didn't display rejection at all, but cowered from the beginning.
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Yeah, him turning himself in and explaining what happened is perfectly in character, even moreso because he's consumed with guilt and grief over what he did. Jon has been choosing his honor over reason for 8 seasons, can't start complaining about him doing that now.
What makes no sense at all is the Unsullied imprisoning the guy instead of executing him on the spot.
Any other way of explaining that situation makes Jon seem like he's weaseling out of his actions. By owning up to his actions, being willing to take the anger, and letting another wildling (Tormund) explain why, Jon actually manages to turn that into a non-issue. Being straight-up was about the only option he had, given that he would not have easily lied right there.
In short, I think you're being a bit too hard on him.
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I'd love for him to end up Lord of Winterfell. Alas, the name of his dog does not bode well for his survival.
"Gorghan of Old Ghis once wrote that a prophecy is like a treacherous woman. She takes your member in her mouth, and you moan with the pleasure of it and think, how sweet, how fine, how good this is... and then her teeth snap shut and your moans turn to screams. That is the nature of prophecy, said Gorghan. Prophecy will bite your prick off every time."
- Marwyn the Mage, A Feast for Crows
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