Theralion's Mirror and opening rotation

[Zarqa]

I am a holy priest that's increasingly asked to DPS, and I have a question regarding Theralion's Mirror and the opening rotation that I haven't been able to answer myself.

Since the Mirror will proc most likely within seconds after the start of a boss fight, would it be a DPS boost if you open with Mindflay (or 2) instead of VP/DP/SW:P to ensure you have a Shadow Orb available as soon as the mirror procs?

When testing on dummies, I found that when I open with my DoTs, I usually miss seconds of the initial Mirror proc just fishing for that orb to get ES started. I guess a VT can go off if you pre-cast before the tank pulls, but what about the rest? Are the GCD of DP and SW:P worth it?

So, does Theralion's Mirror make you change your openers or do you stick to: VT, DP, SW:P, MF till Orb, MB, recast VT, recast DP, MF to refresh SW:P and get a new orb, MB for ES when TM is about to end, recast VT&DP before ES ends? This is all assuming the mirror will proc almost straight away at the start of a boss fight.

Since Theralion's Mirror power is purely depending on recasting ES after it procs, I feel with the standard opening rotation you miss a lot of the potential of the trinket. Is this correct?

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I just go normal rotation and hope to god it procs after I get my first orb.
Only reason for that is otherwise I find myself in the trap of mindflaying till i get an orb and waiting sometimes a whole phase before the first orb.

It may be worth casting 2xMF since that way you get the evangelism too, tough call.
Ofc recasting dots early isn't a problem, it's a rather small DPS loss to recast VT early even without procs (and a gain to recast DP early as often as possible assuming you don't lose buffs).

[Arlee]

Ofc recasting dots early isn't a problem, it's a rather small DPS loss to recast VT early even without procs (and a gain to recast DP early as often as possible assuming you don't lose buffs).

I am not sure what you meant by this, but it isn't a dps loss to recast DP and VT after you get es up. Also, sort of obvious but you would want to recast VT & DP and then use AA... not the other way around because that would cheat your dots out of some of their damage boost

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Read what he says. He says that even if you had 0 procs, refreshing VT early is not a big dps loss => it doesn't take a huge number of procs to be worth refreshing.

[Deleted]

this twinket is a pain actually for shadows because the proc not directly increases the dmg output but relays on the fact that we:
1. need a orb
2. need to cast MB to refresh the buff

i really like the "use" twinket to be able to choose when to profit from them instate of this rng shit.

[Deleted]

Twinket, rofl xD

And, in fact, it's quite nice for shadow because of the ES mechanic. You get a longer duration of the proc than if our mastery was a passive increase to dots, for example. Yes, it may well be very annoying if you get bad RNG - but honestly, that doesn't happen that often. It evens out to be very good.

[Arlee]

Read what he says. He says that even if you had 0 procs, refreshing VT early is not a big dps loss => it doesn't take a huge number of procs to be worth refreshing.

Ah.. it was rather late last night and I was pretty tired so my brain probably didn't put things together quite right. I read through what Red said twice and was still slightly confused if he was saying it was a bad idea or not

[Deleted]

Ah, I too was posting whilst tired so not as clear as maybe I could have been.

Basically refreshing dots whenever they'll benefit from anything is good.

[Arlee]

Is ok... I should have known better than to go posting on the forums when I was exhausted lol. When I reread this morning it made total sense, so you did much better than me posting sleepy