Poll : Do you agree with the Dragonswrath requirement change?

[Fenixdown]

Dragonswrath was initially intended to be obtained only by people who had cleared all previous Tier 11 normal mode content. However, as less than 40% of total world guilds have been able to do so at present, Blizzard changed the design to instead require killing a "mini boss" in Firelands to start your quest chain.

The end of the chain to actually obtain the legendary still seems to remain unchanged as of now, so the fact remains that in order to officially gain the legendary staff itself you must be able to defeat Ragnaros.

So, with that all being said, do you think that the quest's starter portion should have been changed or remained the same as it's initial design? Please don't turn this into a "casuals don't deserve legendaries" thread, this is NOT the question that is being presented to you.

[Reyn]

From a Lore perspective being able to clear T11 content to show you are "worthy" to the Dragonflight seems reasonable. Plus, the only real impact is to slightly delay more causal players. With the huge nerfs going in with 4.2 anyone who wants to clear T11 should be able to within a few weeks.

Though just because you can get the quest doesn't mean that you can get the legendary version of the staff. The raid item collection will prevent the vast majority of players from getting the final staff for quite some time. Still, if the early stats are any indication even the non-legendary versions of the staff will be very nice weapons.

[Raht]

If you can't kill the easy ass T11 end bosses on reg you damn sure can't kill Rag.

[vaccine]

Yer it doesn't matter. With the brutal gutting of T11 normal, Nef wouldn't be hard for anyone anyway. Not to mention you need to kill Ragnaros and Firelands bosses which will all be harder, so it doesn't really matter where you start it.

[Dread Pirate Roberts]

The old requirement seemed arbitrary and only served to slow down less progressed guilds on getting a staff they honestly need more than the more successful guilds. Though I think the mini-boss was a novel idea, I'm not totally for it. On a PvP server he's going to be a real pain to kill. It should've been incorporated into the bosses already in the Firelands. Like your first Firelands boss kill activates the beginning of the quest.

[klaps_05]

I firmly believe that they should put it back in - to say the least, the tier11 content is hammered to the ground, thus if you are looking at making a legendary, you should at least clear those.

[Resentful]

Yes I agree, all it is; Just more of it being tedious and time consuming and yes I understand it's a legendary but T11 is a joke now thanks to those nerfs etc

Mini boss? Jeez more like a trash mob ahahaha

With that being said -

If you could not clear T11 normals or even with the nerfs, How will you kill Ragnaros?

[Deleted]

I don't mind the method - what I mind is the change. Having decided to do it one way, there's then been the change to doing it another way - irritating because we went out of our way, skipping hc progression, to make sure that all casters in all our raid groups who were in line for this had the title. Now that work has become pointless.

So on that part I mind Otherwise? Nah, it's all good. Accessible is usually the way to go.

[Sanctioned]

They shouldn't have changed it. But this is just more of Blizzard not sticking to their word. What else do you expect from these guys?

[Umbra]

They shouldn't have changed it. But this is just more of Blizzard not sticking to their word. What else do you expect from these guys?

I expect them to make understandable decisions. Which they have.

[Deluhathol]

I think that this has been the case with all legendaries, unless I missed something no legendary so far had a requirement regarding content that wasn't current

So why should this one be any different?

[Samin]

They don't want to force you running T11 before you can go to T12 raids...so it would be stupid to force you to run T11 to get T12 legendary. It's all about people catching up, alts and so on.

[Weightless]

Wow, probably the only poll I've ever seen on MMO Champ with unbiased options.

[Pottsy710]

it didn't really matter either way considering how hard they'll be nerfing the t11 content when 4.2 drops... any player capable of running firelands in a guild is probably more than competent enough to kill nerfed t11 bosses...

[Gurbz]

If they had kept the T11 raids exactly as they are now, then I would have thought it would make more sense to force people to clear them. But with how easy the T11 raids will be after the 20% across the board nerf, keeping that requirement in there would only have been a pointless hoop to jump through for anyone that have a reasonable chance at completing the legendary while it is a relevant weapon. If your group can't kill CHo'gall, Al'Akir, and Nef on normal now, I really doubt your group will be able to down Rags to complete the weapon.

[Deleted]

Dragonswrath was initially intended to be obtained only by people who had cleared all previous Tier 11 normal mode content. However, as less than 40% of total world guilds have been able to do so at present, Blizzard changed the design to instead require killing a "mini boss" in Firelands to start your quest chain.

The end of the chain to actually obtain the legendary still seems to remain unchanged as of now, so the fact remains that in order to officially gain the legendary staff itself you must be able to defeat Ragnaros.

So, with that all being said, do you think that the quest's starter portion should have been changed or remained the same as it's initial design? Please don't turn this into a "casuals don't deserve legendaries" thread, this is NOT the question that is being presented to you.

I actually voted no in the poll, since I don't think that ppl who can't even clear 12/12 normal with the incoming 4.2 nerfs should have any version of the staff.

Then I saw what you wrote about only 40% of the guilds in the world have managed to down 12/12 normal and that is really surprising to me tbh.

Then I thought about how many new guilds have been launched in Cata and then it made a bit more sense. I think the common consensus is that Cata gave birth to a ton of new guilds, on my own server not a day goes by (more or less) where a new guild doesn't form. So in that perspective, I still think that ppl should be required to clear 12/12 normal upon beginning on the Legendary quest line.

It's Legendary, meaning that it's not really for every casual raider out there. Anyways, that's just my take on the matter.

[Ricen]

[QUOTE= "casuals don't deserve legendaries" [/QUOTE]

But its 100000000000% true, they dont....

[Deleted]

If you can't kill the easy ass T11 end bosses on reg you damn sure can't kill Rag.

^ This.

The requirement would have been a completely redundant extra step that serves no purpose whatsoever. It's like saying in order to start Shadowmourne you had to go back and clear normal mode ToC.

I don't understand how anyone could possibly think that requirement was a good idea. If they required you to clear heroic T11 then maybe one could take the elitist douche approach and say that's good... but we're talking normal mode T11. That's not a challenge to determine skill, that's just a tedious extra step.

[Abandon]

Honestly it doesn't make much of a difference to me, especially considering the nerfs by 20% to all of the previous raiding content so it wouldn't be particularly difficult to complete the requirement after the patch anyway.

[Deleted]

Serously it doesn't matter who cares?