Explanation of 4.2 Balance Changes

[Deleted]

lol @ nerds whining about nerfed when they only care about the numbers they do. try enjoying the game for what it is.

hard to enjoy the game when its hard to kill anyone now. as a warrior i cant 1v1 nobody down in battlegrounds cos the warrior class is a joke and dnt say l2p ranged classes eat warriors alive, then u got rogues dismantle which is there iwin button and pallys with there bubble and heal and dk's well there jsut op seriously warriors are the worst melee class for abilitys and mobility cos every class has a better version of what we got

[Mundayz]

I hate ghostcrawler.

[MattyP]

They need to have an explanation like this for any nerf or buff, its nice to know what they are thinking or whether a nerf is based on pve or pvp numbers

[announced]

Why increase base damage? it's not like howling blast is useless in lower gearlevels

because if they simply cut the dmg of HB in half it'd be way too weak for pvp. therefore increasing the base dmg by 30% makes it better for pve and (15% stronger for pvp) (although nerfed by 50% as well for pvp)

this makes it equal.

[Muzgash]

So once again blizzard nerfs for pvp and screws pve players. Thanks for nothing Ghost

[Deleted]

these notes... your are still being moqued in your face but you still play this game...................................................................................... .......................................................................................... .......................................................................................... ....................

[Nyoa]

hard to enjoy the game when its hard to kill anyone now. as a warrior i cant 1v1 nobody down in battlegrounds cos the warrior class is a joke and dnt say l2p ranged classes eat warriors alive, then u got rogues dismantle which is there iwin button and pallys with there bubble and heal and dk's well there jsut op seriously warriors are the worst melee class for abilitys and mobility cos every class has a better version of what we got

Hahhahahahahh that was seriously a good joke! haven't heard ones like this for some time! now i can go to sleep with peacefull mind! You managed to include every reason and form of QQing in one post!

[Biggiej]

I heard you like PvE so we decided to nerf your PvE , for your PvP. They seriously need to quit with that, It is such a tiresome trend.

Some of these nerfs may be justified by PvP sure. But they are not justified for PvE, some of what they say is untrue. It all comes back to the colossus smash issue that came up, there last ditch effort was to finally give in and seperate how it works in PvE and PvP, and they admitted to how they do not like doing it because it"over complicates" the game for the newer players. These things aren't as major as changing a move such as colossus smash in a big way, so they can get away with skimming across the board on somethings. But still I do not find it acceptable they really need to learn to start changing there PvP and PvE in seperate forms. Not treating it like the same.

[Nyoa]

because if they simply cut the dmg of HB in half it'd be way too weak for pvp. therefore increasing the base dmg by 30% makes it better for pve and (15% stronger for pvp) (although nerfed by 50% as well for pvp)

this makes it equal.

matie, i suppose you know that buffing base damage by 30% doesn't buff the damage by 30% -.- and i hope you also know that even if you buffed howling blasts coefficency by 30% and then nerfed it by 50% for pvp, you would get a total of 35% damage nerf in pvp

[Scratches]

Whether I agree with any of the changes or not, I readily applaud posts and communication like this. It's so much more appreciable than vague, arguably pointless, posts like "we think the mass proliferation of interrupts might be killing our game," or "a Cataclysm talents 'post-mortem.'"
It also has the ability to take discussions to another level; instead of a discussion where people continuously put forth ideas and guesses as to why they think a change was made (in which nothing of concrete value ever truly gets discussed), they are now free to discuss the change itself and its potential ramifications, or even just flat out state why they disagree with their reasoning. All in all, it's a much more useful discussion, both for its own merits and for that of feedback as well.

I actually look forward to more like this.


(Wait, did I actually say all that? I mean, we're still talking about Blizzard, right?? ...I haven't openly praised them since 2.4 lol)

edit: strange; upon posting, all the formatting went out the window? o.O

[Xbraveheartx]

BEST PATCH NOTES IVE SEEN IN MONTHS! finally they focus on the stupid CC issues with DKS and frost mages. also the rogues nerf with Cloak of Shadows and Combat Readiness is awesome as well as Deadly Calm and Recklessness on the same cooldown . FANTASTIC JOB! gogo blizz

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Still waiting for Necrotic Strike and more Resto Shaman nerfs.

RESTO shamans are win and fair.

[Nyoa]

BEST PATCH NOTES IVE SEEN IN MONTHS! finally they focus on the stupid CC issues with DKS and frost mages. also the rogues nerf with Cloak of Shadows and Combat Readiness is awesome as well as Deadly Calm and Recklessness on the same cooldown . FANTASTIC JOB! gogo blizz

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RESTO shamans are win and fair.

Those changes won't improve your arena rating i'm afraid

[Rolly]

I am new to posting on these forums, but I have been a long time WoW player. I never really look into reading why you make changes, I just go with the flow and learn to work around it. However, I do have a thought that you may or may not have thought about. I don't know how hard it would be to implement, but, with the tool-tip and the spell itself; you can have a 'to NPC / to Player,' tag. For example, I play a Boomkin, so my Wrath spell would look like this, 'Causes 675 to 761 Nature damage to the target NPC and 475 to 561 Nature damage to the target Player Character.' Or something along those lines. That way you can have the same spell for all classes, and keep PVE buffs/nerfs leveled out because each spell would be split into 2 different categories. So if a character is OP in PVE, you can nerf the PVE part, and keep the class viable in PVP and on-par with the other classes. You can balance out 2 different trees of each spell. This way would also require a lot of time going through every spell a class uses and splitting it in half however. But after that, I don't see a problem with it unless anyone else does. Thoughts?

Good idea, it'll never happen.

You people really need to understand Greg Street was not hired for his game design ability, he was hired for his ability to streamline development and lower costs. You do not go from being a marine biologist to a couple years working on a RTS game to lead designer on the biggest MMO in the world because you're a "nice guy". You get there by demonstrating the ability to lower costs while blatantly lying to people about what your goal actually is. Think back, just about everything G. Street has said the exact opposite has happened.

Fun fact: In the orientation for new hires for most corporations they have this little game where each individual is told to lie, whomever has the most believable tale wins. I'm betting Mr. Street won that little contest.

[Throrion]

Actual issues aside, I can really appreciate that they made this post to explain all the changes. I think what to take away from this is that this will be a regular thing, which is nice.

[Snakez]

BEST PATCH NOTES IVE SEEN IN MONTHS! finally they focus on the stupid CC issues with DKS and frost mages. also the rogues nerf with Cloak of Shadows and Combat Readiness is awesome as well as Deadly Calm and Recklessness on the same cooldown . FANTASTIC JOB! gogo blizz

You had issues with DKs CC? cant be serious

[The Last DJ]

I think it's kind of funny how they're explaining the class changes for 4.2, and seem to have worded them in a fashion to indicate they're speaking to screaming, hysterical, semi-retarded children. Well done, folks, well done. Y'all keep this up and they're going to start handing out special red helmets before every patch.

[Lemons]

This type of full disclosure is very strange. I wonder if it will make people happy or simply lead to more QQ from those who think the reasoning is unsound. Now they have a concrete statement to argue against instead of their own conjecture.

[quras]

After reading the dribble from GC it's no wonder 600K people left wow for something else. I'm starting to feel playing this game is like a crap shoot. No matter what you do it will never work out well.

[The Champ]

ok i am a dk pve MELEE i am not referring to all the points made but first ty blizz for reading mmo champ but regarding a patchwork fight shouldn't meleel not be out dps'ing a ranged dps if not whats the point being melee? just to clarify melee has to move at least 50% of a fight ranged should move 30% of a fight so a patchwork fight should we not out dps a ranged by 20% like chim? a cho'gall fight we should lose dps right? ps blizz this is the first time i seen u justify any nerf/buff i clearly see the origanal wow team has moved on to titan ie wow.2

[Scratches]

I think it's kind of funny how they're explaining the class changes for 4.2, and seem to have worded them in a fashion to indicate they're speaking to screaming, hysterical, semi-retarded children. Well done, folks, well done. Y'all keep this up and they're going to start handing out special red helmets before every patch.

Well, their audience has demonstrably proven the use of that tone, lol; I like it.

I so want a special red helmet too, but only if you can tell me if you've seen my baseball first