will blizz ever let undead be druids?

[Sal the Shieldhog]

How is there no detailed backstory for Undead holy priests? How can there be when there are, say 1 in a million undead priests is holy. No Undead... Well, no self-serving Undead would choose to channel the Light, when they can channel Shadow instead. Besides that, Undead Priests belong to the Sect of Shadow (Something like that).

There is a backstory, it's just small because lore-wise, there at few, if any, Undead holy priests.

EDIT: Blizzard did explain Undead holy priests. If you don't like their explanation, too bad, it makes sense to everyone else.

[Herecius]

Twisting the lore is one thing. Doing something completely backwards and illogical is another. There's no precedence, or even possible circumstance that could conceivably result in an undead becoming a druid.

The reason somebody brought up 'might as well do Tauren rogue isn't because of anything to do with lore, it just plain doesn't make any sense. Baffling.

[-Ethos-]

There is a backstory, it's just small because lore-wise, there at few, if any, Undead holy priests.

Which is the main problem, because the lore clashes with the gameplay, they skip over it.

The lore is that the Cult of Forgotten Shadow teaches that Undead Priests are pretty much all about Shadow, but they need to know about the Light too for some perspective, and that if they decide to use the Light they burn/cauterize thsemselves. Thats where they leave it, thats where it ends. Much like Draenei or Tauren Shadow Priests, they skip over the fact it clashes with lore because it'll then encroach into gameplay.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

Which is the main problem, because the lore clashes with the gameplay, they skip over it.

The lore is that the Cult of Forgotten Shadow teaches that Undead Priests are pretty much all about Shadow, but they need to know about the Light too for some perspective, and that if they decide to use the Light they burn/cauterize thsemselves. Thats where they leave it, thats where it ends. Much like Draenei or Tauren Shadow Priests, they skip over the fact it clashes with lore because it'll then encroach into gameplay.

So, because they can't show your Undead Holy priest crying in pain everytime s/he casts a spell your mad? And for Draenei/Tauren Shadow priests, they're called outcasts.

[-Ethos-]

So, because they can't show your Undead Holy priest crying in pain everytime s/he casts a spell your mad? And for Draenei/Tauren Shadow priests, they're called outcasts.

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Im not mad, did you even read any of my posts?

If they bow to pressure of adding in more class/race combinations that dont make sense, they'll feign ignorance and just say "that specific combination doesnt make sense because that particular specialisation comprises of outcasts - but as a whole they make sense!".

[ReaverGX]

I really wish you could play the class you want on the race you want to. I say blah to your lore about classes, let the people have cake!

[coldbear]

Or move to an any race for class polocy like with dks.. i hate trolls and tauren but i love druids. I think turning into a skeliton kitty would be fun

god let's hope not

but then again we already have alliance fighting alliance in WSG and v.v.

Tauren on ostriches

shamans on alliance and paladins on Horde

...so yeah, not impossible.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

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Im not mad, did you even read any of my posts?

If they bow to pressure of adding in more class/race combinations that dont make sense, they'll feign ignorance and just say "that specific combination doesnt make sense because that particular specialisation comprises of outcasts - but as a whole they make sense!".

So, you'll never ever ever have anybody who goes against what is natural for that particular people/culture? They never said that an Undead holy priest makes sense - quite the opposite, in fact. They basically said an Undead holy priest doesn't make sense.

Sometimes people do things that their culture doesn't like. I do not find it hard to believe that there are a few Undead holy priests or a few Shadow Draenei. Sure, it goes against what their culture is like, but that's why they're outcasts - they go against their peoples' beliefs.

[-Ethos-]

So, you'll never ever ever have anybody who goes against what is natural for that particular people/culture? They never said that an Undead holy priest makes sense - quite the opposite, in fact. They basically said an Undead holy priest doesn't make sense.

Sometimes people do things that their culture doesn't like. I do not find it hard to believe that there are a few Undead holy priests or a few Shadow Draenei. Sure, it goes against what their culture is like, but that's why they're outcasts - they go against their peoples' beliefs.

You just paraphrased what you quoted.

Undead Holy Priests dont make sense, Undead Priests (in general) do!
Back to my original point - they could always say that Undead Holy Paladins dont make sense, but could twist the lore to say Undead Retribution Paladins make sense and thus as a whole can be viable.

[-Zait-]

I remember a quest in the Western Plaguelands where your teaching that troll druid how to be a druid...and the druid leader says that any race can become a druid...so I honestly don't see what's wrong with that.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

You just paraphrased what you quoted.

It's called getting a point across -_-

[Spondoo]

They'll concoct a method to allow undead to channel natural powers in a very perverse way.

Honestly I couldn't care less if there was no class restriction based on race. Always wanted to have an orc pally, gnome huntard, and undead druid.

[Axethor]

While Blizz can evolve their lore as they see fit, some race/class combos will never work due to the ideals of the race and class. Undead druid is one such combo. Another is Draenei Warlock. Could they happen? Yes, but the ideals of the race clash with the ideals of the class, so they won't be playable. You may see the odd undead pally here and there, but just because it's ingame, doesn't mean it's going to be playable.

And those complaining about game mechanics clashing with classes, go play a human priest as only disc, a draenei preist as only holy, and a undead priest as only shadow, and try healing and DPS on all of them. See how that works out for you. Then you can complain about gameplay ruining class lore.

[Klasis]

RAWR OUR NEW PLAGUE... Plagues the land! But we are also druids so we heal the lands that we plague... RAWR WE ARE UNDEAD DRUID

[OldHordeGlory]

There's no precedence, or even possible circumstance that could conceivably result in an undead becoming a druid.

Oh come now. No possible circumstance that could conceivably result in undead druids? None whatsoever? I gave one not two pages ago.

It kind of reminds me of the line from 'Men in Black': "Fifteen hundred years ago everybody knew the Earth was the center of the universe. Five hundred years ago, everybody knew the Earth was flat, and fifteen minutes ago, you knew that humans were alone on this planet. Imagine what you'll know tomorrow."

What we know and understand about nature and how druids are granted their power says that undead cannot be druids. We know that, in the same way we knew the Highborne were permanent exiles from Darnassus. We knew that the way we knew that the Draenei were weird little critters a la current Lost Ones.

Imagine what we'll know next expansion...

[Tareum]

One credo blizzard has made absolutely clear with this game lore is:
Nobody is exempt of the possibility to being corrupted.

Another dogma they recently destroyed is:
Race and class ethos can be nullified at the press of a button.

Come on, stop hiding under the lore blanket. There are many precedents - especially one many of us here have gone through in the near past...
Yes, if anyone knows about the saying "anything is possible" it is us, Druids.

[MagicSN]

One credo blizzard has made absolutely clear with this game lore is:
Nobody is exempt of the possibility to being corrupted.

Another dogma they recently destroyed is:
Race and class ethos can be nullified at the press of a button.

It is not a question of "Ethos" or of "Lore", but that what is behind druids ("the force of life") and Undeath are contradiction. Yes, anything can be corrupted in Blizz-Lore, but then a Druid made undead would stop being a druid,
but be - something else. Maybe some sort of undead shadow priest or whatever magic he will use from now-on?

[Ravenblade]

One credo blizzard has made absolutely clear with this game lore is:
Nobody is exempt of the possibility to being corrupted.

Another dogma they recently destroyed is:
Race and class ethos can be nullified at the press of a button.

Come on, stop hiding under the lore blanket. There are many precedents - especially one many of us here have gone through in the near past...
Yes, if anyone knows about the saying "anything is possible" it is us, Druids.

How so? Druids have been pretty much the most conservative class around when it came to opening to other races. That is because the class is conservative from the get-go. Unlike Warriors, Hunters or Rogues the underlying objective is less centred around civilization and more about say the world around.

Also corruption is a finite state of a Druid who fell for some ambitious reason such as pride under the sway of another power it is not a form of redemption from where you could go and say: Oh well, might as well become a Druid now!

I've often met people over the years who saw Druids as a zoo-keeper or gardener but they are really neither. They are the only one capable of communing with the spiritual forces of the nature, they are the only ones allowed to terminate life when necessary without causing corruption and to make it flourish when needed. The highest goal however is to keep up the ancient circle of balancing both things in order to maintain the natural order of things. It doesn't go down well if something that should have passed rises again and thus serves as example for defying the natural laws.

And for that matter it is not about having a good intention or not which makes things natural - it is about whether the source of it is natural, may it be that predator hunting an innocent rabbit, the magic of fey creatures defending zones against unarmed travellers or even the local caretakers driving out the now malevolent lifeforms inhabiting an area. If it's not natural then it will be a target to be wiped out, by nature or the Druids in charge. Since undeads, demons or corrupted elements are not natural it should make it pretty clear whether Undead could be Druids or not. Druids are not the most kind of people despite their peaceful outlook.

Race and class ethos can be nullified at the press of a button.

Except that Spirit Healers are not part of the lore. They've got the status of a save game in a singleplayer game. They are a convenience mechanic.

[mistuhbull]

You just paraphrased what you quoted.

Undead Holy Priests dont make sense, Undead Priests (in general) do!
Back to my original point - they could always say that Undead Holy Paladins dont make sense, but could twist the lore to say Undead Retribution Paladins make sense and thus as a whole can be viable.

Technically, playable undead Paladins of any sort don't really make sense, they all channel the light, and VERY VERY VERY few people are that Masochistic. Therefore not enough NPCs would be willing to form the order to train Paladins, and honestly who is going to sign up for that?

[Deleted]

Hell no, Undead Druids just seem so wrong. Then again I don't like the idea of Tauren Paladin. However... my Paladin is Tauren