Should nationalist annexation/unification be a legal casus belli?

[Thalian]

Should Russia be allowed in invade Belarus to unite their peoples since they share a history, culture, religion, language (to an extent) and people?
Should China be allowed to invade Taiwan?
Should Germany be allowed to invade Austria?


I am not saying any of countries want to do this (except for China probably does), but should they be allowed to without an international slap on the wrist?

[Skroe]

Of course not....................................................................................... .......... there are these things called self determination and popular sovereignty (and I know Belarus is a dictatorship, but its people have them as human rights even though their government deny it to them). "Be Allowed to Invade". What nonsense. Peoples have a right to determine their own fate.

And that avatar............................. holy buckets.

[Hyve]

No ... On that basis the United Kingdom could go around to almost the whole planet, and reclaim back the territories because at some point, we founded, owned or ruled a vast amount of this planet.

You could go back further, to more ancient civilisations and make the same claims for today.

No, No, No, No & No.

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I am not saying any of countries want to do this (except for China probably does)

Every nation has border disputes and issues, but please tell me why you think China stands out above all the rest?

[Thalian]

Of course not....................................................................................... .......... there are these things called self determination and popular sovereignty (and I know Belarus is a dictatorship, but its people have them as human rights even though their government deny it to them). "Be Allowed to Invade". What nonsense. Peoples have a right to determine their own fate.

And that avatar............................. holy buckets.

What's wrong with my avatar?

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No ... On that basis the United Kingdom could go around to almost the whole planet, and reclaim back the territories because at some point, we founded, owned or ruled a vast amount of this planet.

You could go back further, to more ancient civilisations and make the same claims for today.

No, No, No, No & No.

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Every nation has border disputes and issues, but please tell me why you think China stands out above all the rest?

I am not pro nationalist at all. I voted no. I was curious if anyone thought yes, for I am interested in other people's opinions.

And China sticks out because they claim an entire country. Taiwan.

[Hyve]

I am not pro nationalist at all. I voted no. I was curious if anyone thought yes, for I am interested in other people's opinions.

And China sticks out because they claim an entire country. Taiwan.

Argentina claims an entire country - The Falklands. I'm sure a quick Wikipedia could spill a few more nations asking for control over others entirely. I'm just surprised China popped up in your post above a few other nations, as China doesn't tend to push hard (publicly) about Taiwan. They tend to be very open about islands, or sections of nations.

[Skroe]

Every nation has border disputes and issues, but please tell me why you think China stands out above all the rest?

He is correct on China. They believe this bullshit (which it is) that they are unique in world history in being a victim of events, events in this case being Western interference that, made China physically smaller than it is. They want to redraw their map, because they think they didn't draw it themselves.

I mean, it's complete nonsense because any country can say that. Germany can go take back half of Poland. Britain can exercise its rights to large swaths of France. Norway and / or Sweden could claim parts of Canada and the North East United States. The US could claim the Moon. I mean, it's completely bogus bullshit that nobody subscribes to, outside of China. And they only reason they do it really, is because China is absurdly resource poor and they need any scrap of land with resources they can get. So a central part of their foreign policy is claiming islands that may have been part of a Chinese Kingdom a thousand years ago.

How bad is it? Some parts of the Chinese government actually want China to lay claim to Okinawa. Yes. Okinawa.

Don't beleve me? Here is China's claim.


They want everything in red, not everything within the blue line closest to their border.

Yes, it's completely fucking nuts.

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What's wrong with my avatar?

Everything. A red field with a golden hammer? It's missing the sickle, but those were components of the symbol of a 70 year epic rape of human rights. It's the colors of three generations of human right abusers and the losers of the Cold War.

That flag, your avatar is an ode to failure and a tribute to abuse and awfulness.

[Sunseeker]

No, but any sovereign nation should be able to vote to join another when the other is willing.

[Deleted]

Sure can the UK come and annex the US?

[Garnier Fructis]

Should China be allowed to invade Taiwan?

No. Hell no.

[Skroe]

Because it's the flag of the U.S. Communist Party. And many people, including me, abhor the ideals and history behind what that flag represents.

Oh god that's the The US Communist Party's flag? I thought that was a UN-style olive wreath, not the sickle / gear thing it has going. Jeeeeez.

That's just positively revolting.

[Thalian]

He is correct on China. They believe this bullshit (which it is) that they are unique in world history in being a victim of events, events in this case being Western interference that, made China physically smaller than it is. They want to redraw their map, because they think they didn't draw it themselves.

I mean, it's complete nonsense because any country can say that. Germany can go take back half of Poland. Britain can exercise its rights to large swaths of France. Norway and / or Sweden could claim parts of Canada and the North East United States. The US could claim the Moon. I mean, it's completely bogus bullshit that nobody subscribes to, outside of China. And they only reason they do it really, is because China is absurdly resource poor and they need any scrap of land with resources they can get. So a central part of their foreign policy is claiming islands that may have been part of a Chinese Kingdom a thousand years ago.

How bad is it? Some parts of the Chinese government actually want China to lay claim to Okinawa. Yes. Okinawa.

Don't beleve me? Here is China's claim.


They want everything in red, not everything within the blue line closest to their border.

Yes, it's completely fucking nuts.

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Everything. A red field with a golden hammer? It's missing the sickle, but those were components of the symbol of a 70 year epic rape of human rights. It's the colors of three generations of human right abusers and the losers of the Cold War.

That flag, your avatar is an ode to failure and a tribute to abuse and awfulness.

Capitalism has killed more people in history then any other economic plan. Capitalism caused the genocide of native Americans and Australians so that the kings would have colonizes to trade with. Capitalism allows corporations to run the country, corporations which would let people starve or be killed as long as they get to make their $$$. Capitalism has been the reason of war for hundreds of years.

Stalinism is not true communism. It's Stalin's sick nationalistic ideas.

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Because it's the flag of the U.S. Communist Party. And many people, including me, abhor the ideals and history behind what that flag represents.


On topic, no, they shouldn't.

Equality of men is an abomination now?

[Bakis]

Bellarus and Russia kinda belong together as far as a corrupt leadership which inprison political opponents and journalists

[Hyve]

Capitalism has killed more people in history then any other economic plan. Capitalism caused the genocide of native Americans and Australians so that the kings would have colonizes to trade with. Capitalism allows corporations to run the country, corporations which would let people starve or be killed as long as they get to make their $$$. Capitalism has been the reason of war for hundreds of years.

"Capitalism is wrong and vile!" - Posted from his computer, made by a capitalist company, put together by a capitalist company, with software created by a capitalist company, and on a website that makes money through adverts. Oh my goodness ...

Equality of men is an abomination now?

Yeh, because it isn't their methods or history that we're disgusted by, it is their desire for all to be equal and happy. Nail on the head there buddy.

[DEATHETERNAL]

Under almost all circumstances, no. There would be a few circumstances where I'd be fine with it, but I can't think of any situation currently in dispute that applies.

Equality of men is an abomination now?

When equality means everyone is equally enslaved by a totalitarian government, that being is the end result of real or Stalinist communism regardless of how pure people might think it to be, yes. It is an abomination. Governmental communism is better than only one system, anarchy, and even then only slightly.

[Thalian]

"Capitalism is wrong and vile!" - Posted from his computer, made by a capitalist company, put together by a capitalist company, with software created by a capitalist company, and on a website that makes money through adverts. Oh my goodness ...



Yeh, because it isn't their methods or history that we're disgusted by, it is their desire for all to be equal and happy. Nail on the head there buddy.

I am forced to live in a capitalist system. I can't just say. "Screw this, I'm going communist" or I'd have nothing! You didn't think that through, did you? I'm sorry.

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Under almost all circumstances, no. There would be a few circumstances where I'd be fine with it, but I can't think of any situation currently in dispute that applies.


When equality means everyone is equally enslaved by a totalitarian government, that being is the end result of real or Stalinist communism regardless of how pure people might think it to be, yes. It is an abomination. Governmental communism is better than only one system, anarchy, and even then only slightly.

Communism isn't totalitarian or republican. Just as capitalism isn't. Just to clarify for you, I am a republican communist.

[Hyve]

I am forced to live in a capitalist system. I can't just say. "Screw this, I'm going communist" or I'd have nothing! You didn't think that through, did you? I'm sorry.

No, I did think it through. You're 15 - 17 going through your "Communist Phase", but once you get a job and start paying taxes, you'll soon switch your mind. Trust me. Been there, done it, bought the T-shirt.

[Thalian]

No, I did think it through. You're 15 - 17 going through your "Communist Phase", but once you get a job and start paying taxes, you'll soon switch your mind. Trust me. Been there, done it, bought the T-shirt.

Ooooooh. You bought a T-Shirt. The younger generation is becoming more and more socialist. It's a lie that capitalism is good for anyone but the ultra-rich.

[DEATHETERNAL]

I am forced to live in a capitalist system. I can't just say. "Screw this, I'm going communist" or I'd have nothing!

So you would have just as much as you would under a communist system then. Nothing.

Communism isn't totalitarian or republican. Just as capitalism isn't. Just to clarify for you, I am a republican communist.

It is not inherently totalitarian, but that is what it inevitably leads to. There is no other way to maintain a truly communistic system long term without totalitarianism.

[Puremallace]

Should Russia be allowed in invade Belarus to unite their peoples since they share a history, culture, religion, language (to an extent) and people?
Should China be allowed to invade Taiwan?
Should Germany be allowed to invade Austria?


I am not saying any of countries want to do this (except for China probably does), but should they be allowed to without an international slap on the wrist?

Hitler would say yes...might want to wikipedia what that caused when he did it.

[Thalian]

So you would have just as much as you would under a communist system then. Nothing.


It is not inherently totalitarian, but that is what it inevitably leads to. There is no other way to maintain a truly communistic system long term without totalitarianism.

1. I'd have nothing? In a true communist society, we'd have more equal wealth. You could still buy things if you wanted/needed to, just not at the expense of others. Look how much the rich have. If we equalized all of our wealth, no one would be poor.
2. That is a lie. Does capitalism need totalitarianism? No. Why should communism?