Survival Hunter Guide (Updated for 5.4)

[Maeten]

That would be doing it properly yes. Not sure about this issue you're reporting though, few times I've done ES>X>ES>ES and it's worked out fine.

I tested it again tonight. When using ES-AS-ES-ES, one tick was clipped 50% of the time (total number of trials:20). Range did not effect DoT clipping (10 trials at min range, 10 trials at max range). It looks for at least one

When using ES-ES-AS-ES, the results were much better. Clipping also occurred only around 25% of the time (ten trials), when at minimum range. Latency stayed below 50ms for all the tests.

So I'm not sure if this is just an internal issue with displaying ticks in the combat logs or actually an issue. It appears that if clipping does occur, ES-ES-AS-ES does do a better job of preventing the clips.

[Deleted]

nice guide has helped me out quite a bit

[Illana]

I tested it again tonight. When using ES-AS-ES-ES, one tick was clipped 50% of the time (total number of trials:20). Range did not effect DoT clipping (10 trials at min range, 10 trials at max range). It looks for at least one

When using ES-ES-AS-ES, the results were much better. Clipping also occurred only around 25% of the time (ten trials), when at minimum range. Latency stayed below 50ms for all the tests.

So I'm not sure if this is just an internal issue with displaying ticks in the combat logs or actually an issue. It appears that if clipping does occur, ES-ES-AS-ES does do a better job of preventing the clips.

upload a log to wol please because every time I do this i don't clip

[TJ]

I tested it again tonight. When using ES-AS-ES-ES, one tick was clipped 50% of the time (total number of trials:20). Range did not effect DoT clipping (10 trials at min range, 10 trials at max range). It looks for at least one

When using ES-ES-AS-ES, the results were much better. Clipping also occurred only around 25% of the time (ten trials), when at minimum range. Latency stayed below 50ms for all the tests.

So I'm not sure if this is just an internal issue with displaying ticks in the combat logs or actually an issue. It appears that if clipping does occur, ES-ES-AS-ES does do a better job of preventing the clips.

Hmm beats me, that's a head scratcher. I'll test it sometime and see what results I get.

[Maeten]

upload a log to wol please because every time I do this i don't clip

Done! I apparently can't post links to the logs until I have posted a few more times here. They can be found on world of logs under the Firetree guild <Critheads>, titled "Klaebra v Training Dummy."

Both logs were taken under 50ms of latency. The first had 10 Lock and Load procs, the second at 9.

ES-ES-AS-ES

Over ten LnLs a total of 86 ticks were recorded (54 non-crit, 23 crit). A theoretical 90 ticks should have been recorded if no clipping occurred. This means that 4 ticks were either not recorded or were clipped.

ES-AS-ES-ES

Over nine LnLs a total of 77 ticks were recorded. A theoretical 81 should have been recorded if no clipping occurred. This means that 4 ticks were either not recorded or were clipped.

This means that in both rotations there is a chance to clip ticks for explosive shot at low latency.

[Pope]

This means that in both rotations there is a chance to clip ticks for explosive shot at low latency.

That's what I observed as well. I normally wait the usual split second after firing Arcane shot. I'd rather waste 0,2s on LnL then losing ticks.

[Illana]

Done! I apparently can't post links to the logs until I have posted a few more times here. They can be found on world of logs under the Firetree guild <Critheads>, titled "Klaebra v Training Dummy."

Both logs were taken under 50ms of latency. The first had 10 Lock and Load procs, the second at 9.

ES-ES-AS-ES

Over ten LnLs a total of 86 ticks were recorded (54 non-crit, 23 crit). A theoretical 90 ticks should have been recorded if no clipping occurred. This means that 4 ticks were either not recorded or were clipped.

ES-AS-ES-ES

Over nine LnLs a total of 77 ticks were recorded. A theoretical 81 should have been recorded if no clipping occurred. This means that 4 ticks were either not recorded or were clipped.

This means that in both rotations there is a chance to clip ticks for explosive shot at low latency.

thank you for this, the details will be added to the guide and you will be credited

[TJ]

I tested it again tonight. When using ES-AS-ES-ES, one tick was clipped 50% of the time (total number of trials:20). Range did not effect DoT clipping (10 trials at min range, 10 trials at max range). It looks for at least one

When using ES-ES-AS-ES, the results were much better. Clipping also occurred only around 25% of the time (ten trials), when at minimum range. Latency stayed below 50ms for all the tests.

So I'm not sure if this is just an internal issue with displaying ticks in the combat logs or actually an issue. It appears that if clipping does occur, ES-ES-AS-ES does do a better job of preventing the clips.

Did some testing tonight, worked fine for me and didn't clip any ticks.

[Illana]

must be latency dependent

[kidsafe]

Of course it is. You start clipping around the 60-65ms mark in my experience, and it gets much worse very quickly.

If you have incredibly low latency you might occasionally clip a tick in ES-ES-AS-ES, but it doesn't happen very often. It never happens to me at 100ms unless I am moving toward the target at the same time.

[Deleted]

Of course it is. You start clipping around the 60-65ms mark in my experience, and it gets much worse very quickly.

Na, this discussion have been in like 20 different threads and high latency was never a requirement for it to clip.

[flzk]

im at 20ms and when i spam the first 2 ES i get 8 ticks per LNL everytime, when im waiting for the gcd i get 9 but i dont know if its just better to ES AS ES AS/CS ES

[Deleted]

im at 20ms and when i spam the first 2 ES i get 8 ticks per LNL everytime, when im waiting for the gcd i get 9 but i dont know if its just better to ES AS ES AS/CS ES

No its not, its better to do ES ES AS .1 delay ES

[crushy88]

Hey guys how to understand if i'm loosing any tick from a fight?

this is my ES report for an ultraxion fight for example


Actor Totals Ticks Tick Crits Misses
Total
Aleris 3431810 100.0 % 84 13325.1 1119306 84 27529.8 2312504 0
3431810 100.0 % 84 13325.1 1119306 84 27529.8 2312504 0

It just tells me i got 84 ticks but doesn't tell me how many ES shots i've been firing... how to understand it? thanks

[Pope]

Na, this discussion have been in like 20 different threads and high latency was never a requirement for it to clip.

Wouldn't it make sense to see more clips on lower latency?

[Deleted]

Wouldn't it make sense to see more clips on lower latency?

If I remember correctly it was latency fluctuation, because having 20ms on all shots will make it the "same" as having 400ms on all shots in terms of clipping. But in general to have high or low latency wasn't what caused clipping.

[Skygoneblue]

Hey guys how to understand if i'm loosing any tick from a fight?

this is my ES report for an ultraxion fight for example


Actor Totals Ticks Tick Crits Misses
Total
Aleris 3431810 100.0 % 84 13325.1 1119306 84 27529.8 2312504 0
3431810 100.0 % 84 13325.1 1119306 84 27529.8 2312504 0

It just tells me i got 84 ticks but doesn't tell me how many ES shots i've been firing... how to understand it? thanks

It would be easier if you gave us a link to the WOL report. Copying and pasting into the forums causes some weird alignment issues, and we can't see how many shots you fired - that's on another tab.

[crushy88]

It would be easier if you gave us a link to the WOL report. Copying and pasting into the forums causes some weird alignment issues, and we can't see how many shots you fired - that's on another tab.

oh ok..
http://www.worldoflogs.com/reports/h...?s=5298&e=5597
i'm aleris , the only one hunter.. thanks

[Jayeazy]

On the buffs cast tab, find the number of ES debuffs applied, multiply it by 3 and compare it to the total number of ticks on the damage done page.
In your case, you're not clipping, and you never will with your LnL rotation. For more dps, take out one of the arcane shots in between and instead leave a slight delay (hold off on the spamming until you actually see the gcd end, then let reaction time do the work).

[Pope]

On the buffs cast tab, find the number of ES debuffs applied, multiply it by 3 and compare it to the total number of ticks on the damage done page.
In your case, you're not clipping, and you never will with your LnL rotation. For more dps, take out one of the arcane shots in between and instead leave a slight delay (hold off on the spamming until you actually see the gcd end, then let reaction time do the work).

Problem is: He could clip 3 or 6 times on a fight, and would think "awesome, didn't clip an ES."

There is a spells used function somewhere in the Logs of WoL, but I can't get it to work.