It's official, Night Elves evolved from Dark Trolls (and MORE lore).

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Well, regarding the raptors - I think the Troll Druid chick (The one who helps you and Vol'jin kick the Sea Witch's ass... Er, tail), said something about being the Loas' priests before Zalazane went crazy, whereupon they were transported to some kind of spirit world and trained by a raptor Loa (Makes sense, given the Darkspears' fascination with raptors), so I guess that's related.

But, according to paleo-biologists/paleontologists (paleo-peeps), raptors were the smartest of the dinosaur world, and would develop strategies (In groups) to take down dinosaurs much, much larger than themselves. Blizzard may have just been refering to that.

Gossip: "What was the vision?"

<Zen'tabra's head snaps back to you, her eyes bright and her smile wide around her tusks.>
'Twas a jungle bigger and wilder dan I ever seen! And before me, de ancient raptor loa only talked about in Zandalari tales-Gonk, de Great Hunter!
De raptor spirit spoke ta me, told me he had brought me spirit to a place called de Emerald Dreem. De spirit had been trapped, like de other loa on de Echo Isles, by Zalazane's magic. But Gonk, bein' an ancient spirit, was able ta reach across and bring me spirit ta him, even through Zalazane's voodoo.

My farourite remark from Zen'tabra:

Gossip: "So are the loa still holding to their side of the deal?"

Ya, mon, for now. Dey not be too keen on teachin' many more o' our kind, but dey be helpin' us 'long as we be keepin' de life o' de isles flourishin'. When Gonk left after de fall o' Zalazane, he be tellin' us how ta contact him if de other loa don't keep dey end o' de bargain.
I be hopin' it never come ta dat... but just in case, we be openin' up channels wit dat Cenarion Circle group.
<Zen'tabra cackles madly.>
Oh, ya shoulda seen de look on dat night elf's face....

[-Ethos-]

If you want to get real technical, the chart is also missing the origins of all the critters we see running around everywhere. Laugh all you like, there are about 500 of them per 1 of us. There could be an uprising one day...

Not with everyone going around killing them for Guild Achievements!

[Judge Malthred]

Not with everyone going around killing them for Guild Achievements!

Its for that very reason they are planning a revolution!

[Duito]

It would explain the ears.

[Squirreludecker]

Bahaha. I wonder how well the "no they didn't" brigade will deal with this unsurprising turn of events.

This was confirmed a long time ago. either BC or Wrath had a flow chart in it showing how the playable trolls and elves came from the same troll ancestor.

Also, i dont acknowledge this "curse of the flesh" so what they say is irrelevant.

[bohapjut]

Second: Elune. As I understood it, the Old Gods come from the Great Dark Beyond, which is not the same as the Nether. If there is a thing like "Great Dark Beyond" maybe there is also something like a "Great Light Beyond", where for example the Light of Creation comes from? And maybe there's Gods there too, so Elune could be one of those? Which is also why evil entities always see "nothing but darkness" when they die and 'good' entities see light? That would explain why Velen thinks, her powers are similar to those of the Naaru ("Born of the Light"), but it would not necessarily make her a Naaru herself (which I would greatly dislike, I mean Elune being a Naaru, however powerful ^^).

the Great Dark Beyond is just the "empty void between worlds" it's like outer space for us, it's part of the material plane unlike the Twisting Nether.

picture: http://www.wowpedia.org/images/8/83/...ce_Planets.jpg

[Sal the Shieldhog]

This was confirmed a long time ago. either BC or Wrath had a flow chart in it showing how the playable trolls and elves came from the same troll ancestor.

Also, i dont acknowledge this "curse of the flesh" so what they say is irrelevant.

How can't you acknowledge it? It's part of lore.

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the Great Dark Beyond is just the "empty void between worlds" it's like outer space for us, it's part of the material plane unlike the Twisting Nether.

picture: http://www.wowpedia.org/images/8/83/...ce_Planets.jpg

Yes, I'm sorry, mixed that up again >.< I meant something opposed to the "void" the Naaru refer to. I know it's "light" vs "void", but sometimes it seems that "void" also is being mentioned as if it were a plane of extistence (like something is conjured from the void), whereas nothing of the like has ever been said about the light, so I was wondering if these were not only two opposing forces but also two different "realms".

[Sal the Shieldhog]

Yes, I'm sorry, mixed that up again >.< I meant something opposed to the "void" the Naaru refer to. I know it's "light" vs "void", but sometimes it seems that "void" also is being mentioned as if it were a plane of extistence (like something is conjured from the void), whereas nothing of the like has ever been said about the light, so I was wondering if these were not only two opposing forces but also two different "realms".

From the "void" they mean the Twisting Nether, as thats where demons are from.

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From the "void" they mean the Twisting Nether, as thats where demons are from.

I found it now, on WoWpedia it says, "Void" is their faction (if not in the service of a warlock) and they come from the Twisting Nether. So... basically what I mean is: if Void and Light are opposed and "void" comes from the Twisting Nether, is there also a plane where "light" comes from? And could that be where Elune is? Or do the light and the void come from the twisting nether and it only depends on how you look at it? And maybe that's why there was a story of the "early Nightelves" (trolls^^) believing that Elune sleeps in the Well of Eternity during the day?
Oh well, whatever, I only hope that Elune will not turn out to be a Naaru.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

I found it now, on WoWpedia it says, "Void" is their faction (if not in the service of a warlock) and they come from the Twisting Nether. So... basically what I mean is: if Void and Light are opposed and "void" comes from the Twisting Nether, is there also a plane where "light" comes from? And could that be where Elune is? Or do the light and the void come from the twisting nether and it only depends on how you look at it? And maybe that's why there was a story of the "early Nightelves" (trolls^^) believing that Elune sleeps in the Well of Eternity during the day?
Oh well, whatever, I only hope that Elune will not turn out to be a Naaru.

They believed she slept in the Well of Eternity by day because her physical embodiment was the moon.

I don't think she's a Naaru, however many coincidences there are.

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Hey Elyaan - I like it, but weren't the Troggs originally before the Earthen? They went Stone Troggs - then Troggs. Earthen, from the tales in Ulduman, said the Troggs were the beta for Earthen, but were unstable. Earthen were then created to replace the Troggs.

In Uldaman it's said that the Earthen devolved into Troggs because of the Curse of Flesh.

However in Deepholm it's said that the Stone Troggs are "a mistake of the Titans".


More and more retcons... all it does it cause confusion.

[ELYPOP]

More and more retcons... all it does it cause confusion.

That's why I sort of left them out.

But, if anyone thinks any additions serverly need making, I can find a place to fit them in. Just state where they fit in + reasoning.


Anyhow, working on the Dragon one now. Going from Galakrond to the Twilight Dragonflight. It still feels kinda empty, though...

[Zoma]

Anyhow, working on the Dragon one now. Going from Galakrond to the Twilight Dragonflight. It still feels kinda empty, though...

Just glanced back at the dragon family line posted earlier, and I notice that the new Cata Dragons (Storm drakes and stone drakes) aren't on there. Considering that there are Storm giants and Stone giants, perhaps those particular dragons are also Curse of Flesh afflicted. Also implies there might be fire, ice and sea dragons, though two of those could be argued to be ember/magma/frostwyrms, which are from undeath, not Curse of Flesh.

-Also, Firehawks may have all originally been dragons, as with Alysrazor, though wowpedia says they are native to the Firelands.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

Just glanced back at the dragon family line posted earlier, and I notice that the new Cata Dragons (Storm drakes and stone drakes) aren't on there. Considering that there are Storm giants and Stone giants, perhaps those particular dragons are also Curse of Flesh afflicted. Also implies there might be fire, ice and sea dragons, though two of those could be argued to be ember/magma/frostwyrms, which are from undeath, not Curse of Flesh.

-Also, Firehawks may have all originally been dragons, as with Alysrazor, though wowpedia says they are native to the Firelands.

Yes, but wasn't the Firelands created by the Titans to hold the Elementals?

Hmmm.... Circles within circles...

[fartman69]

They believed she slept in the Well of Eternity by day because her physical embodiment was the moon.

I don't think she's a Naaru, however many coincidences there are.

She is probably a Naaru but Velen offended tyrande with what he said too her.

[Zoma]

Yes, but wasn't the Firelands created by the Titans to hold the Elementals?

Hmmm.... Circles within circles...

Yeah, but I don't think the Titans created species for the sole purpose of containing in a prison. So several possibilities.
1) Firehawks already existed, and Titans threw them into the Firelands prison with the rest of the fire elementals and fire-based lifeforms. (Doesn't quite match the 'native to firelands' info)
2) Titans made a species to watch over the fire elementals (possibly fire dragons?) but like most Titan creations exposed to Old God related beings, they become corrupted.
3) Ragnaros made his own birds.

[Sal the Shieldhog]

Yeah, but I don't think the Titans created species for the sole purpose of containing in a prison. So several possibilities.
1) Firehawks already existed, and Titans threw them into the Firelands prison with the rest of the fire elementals and fire-based lifeforms.
2) Titans made a species to watch over the fire elementals (possibly fire dragons?) but like most Titan creations exposed to Old God related beings, they become corrupted.
3) Ragnaros made his own birds.

Well, they do look like Proto-drakes. I think it's possible that some "real" dragons as we know them were accidentally sealed in with the Air and Stone elementals, so they were corrupted into those elements. It's possible that maybe a few proto-drakes were corrupted so they were tossed in with Ragnaros too. Same goes for the spiders and worms in both Deepholm and Firelands (I.E. Magmaw, Beth'ilac, Boreworms, Shale Spiders, etc).

I'm curious to see what the sea dragons look like, if there are any at all.

[Colphus]

Hasn't this been known for years? i'm sure i read that somewhere....WC3 maybe or something.

[Zoma]

I'm curious to see what the sea dragons look like, if there are any at all.

Corrupted into Kraken?