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    34BigThings Denies Digital Foundry's Redout XB1X analysis; threatens legal action

    https://wccftech.com/34bigthings-den...oundry-redout/

    TL;DR: Digital Foundry finds Redout for Xbox One X has does not meet the 4k 60fps mark 34BigThings said it would meet in a patch (actually dynamic resolution and about 40fps); haters call them lazy devs on Twitter; executives denies Digital Foundry's analysis saying they lied; threatens legal action.

    The folks at Digital Foundry are considered to be the foremost experts when it comes to the technical analysis of videogames.

    Today they’ve posted their own analysis of Redout: Lightspeed Edition and their findings pointed out to an Xbox One X version rendered at 1080p, which induced a significant amount of outrage against 34BigThings as you can see in the images below, particularly because the PlayStation 4 Pro version of the game currently renders Redout at a more stable framerate compared to Xbox One X.

    We were able to speak with CEO Valerio Di Donato, who categorically denied Digital Foundry’s analysis. We can exclusively present you the response via press release that’s due to be published soon.

    Nicest part of a cloudy saturday morning? Waking up to a shitstorm raging upon you, based on what we can call incompetent technical analysis at best, fake news at worst.

    Digital Foundry might have been a competent source of technical information in the past, but it might be currently going down to the click-baiting path. They just published an opinionated video on our game, Redout, in which they talk about Xbox One X performances, framerate and resolution, mentioning over and over that Redout shows a 1080p rendering for the Xbox One X version.

    This is a pure, straight lie. The Xbox One X got an enhancement update a couple of weeks ago which brings 4k rendering with dynamic resolution scaling to everyone (owners or not of 4k TV). More specifically, we managed to scale the resolution between 90% and 50% of native 4k, which means the resolution goes from the upper limit of 3456×1944 to the lower one of 1920×1080 [confirmed also by VG Tech]. More technical details on this will follow in the next days, when everybody will be back from holiday vacations but meanwhile let us spell it out: it’s not 1080p.

    As many users reported, there are still some framerate hiccups where the game can’t keep the 60fps pace and significantly drops below the 45+ threshold, which is something we are aware and very sorry of. This happens more frequently where many AI opponents are factored in, while it’s close to nonexistent on time attacks, solo races and races with few opponents. We are aware of these issues and we’ll keep working on those as long as possible.

    But saying that Redout renders at 1080p is plain false. This, combined with the fact that some players seem to be highly sensitive to the XBox vs. PS4 performances tug-of-war, caused a rain of negative comments on our heads, all based on wrong information.

    We are currently looking into legal action to defend our public image. Not only because we dislike being called lazy or incompetent gratuitously, but also to send a message to the players and the industry. Gamedevs (indies especially) are amongst the most hard working people, to the point that burnout and crunch culture in game development are widespread. Really, just stop calling them lazy to the first hiccup. And don’t fabricate excuses for calling them lazy. Ok? Thank you.
    Digital Foundry's Analysis:


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    They can deny it all they want, The proof is in the video.

    DF has been right about every single analysis video and have even released videos showing how they break it down and how there programs work. I guess 34BigThings don't realize this isn't going to help them at all.

    If they want to sue DF go for it all I can say is Good Luck cause they will need it. The game looked fun but since they want to be asshats ill avoid it and just buy Wipeout lol.

    How many move Dev's/Punblishers are going to pull this stunt until they realize it doesn't work.
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    DF has been proving claims wrong for years. You're just the first dev to get butt hurt about it, yawn. If you don't like it, don't make false statements or try to spin doctor claims.

    Anyone who bought this game for their Xbox One X deserves to be pissed(not sure if any exist, I personally never head of this game until this butt hurt came about LOL). Not only is their dynanic res claim such a spin(it runs at 1080p about 95% of the time) it didn't get an assetts boost from base Xbox One version like the PS4 Pro version did and the PS4 Pro version is a locked 60 fps while the One X drops to 40s constantly.

    It's universally worse on the stronger hardware. Scam artist shoddy dev work at it's finest.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    DF has been proving claims wrong for years. You're just the first dev to get butt hurt about it, yawn. If you don't like it, don't make false statements or try to spin doctor claims.

    Anyone who bought this game for their Xbox One X deserves to be pissed(not sure if any exist, I personally never head of this game until this butt hurt came about LOL). Not only is their dynanic res claim such a spin(it runs at 1080p about 95% of the time) it didn't get an assetts boost from base Xbox One version like the PS4 Pro version did and the PS4 Pro version is a locked 60 fps while the One X drops to 40s constantly.

    It's universally worse on the stronger hardware. Scam artist shoddy dev work at it's finest.
    Those who bought it on the Pro should be pissed as well. The dev's claimed Pro and X would be running 4K and it isn't. They fucked up and should just admit it, Trying to go after DF like this is childish as hell.

    There is a 100% chance if they take legal action they will lose. Did people learn nothing from when this happen to Jim Sterling lol.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Seems DF did screw up on the dynamic scaler and it goes to 1944p on XboxOne at times.

    Still isn't the 4K they claimed both Pro and X would have and still runs like ass on XboxOne. So while DF screwed up slightly the video still holds true for the most part.
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    DF only "screwed up" because the game is at 1080p so often that nearly all of DFs footage of it was.

    But they still handled the situation with class unlike the schmuck dev.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tech614 View Post
    DF only "screwed up" because the game is at 1080p so often that nearly all of DFs footage of it was.

    But they still handled the situation with class unlike the schmuck dev.
    Totally agree and it seems they are doing a second video Monday. Nothing really changes here and in the original video they even talk about it being dynamic.

    If the Dev's handled this in a mature way it wouldn't be a issue, But the childish way they handled it has done more damage then the video.
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    and the videos already down lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by zito View Post
    and the videos already down lol
    DF removed the video cause they are doing a new one tomorrow.
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    Its there fallow up video.

    1) The Frame Rate is still the same.
    2) The game is still at 1080p the majority of the game and rarely hits a native 4k. It adjust's on the fly and has a whole slew of different resolutions with 1080p being the most common.
    3) The PS4 pro version is still the better version because its performance is better and it sits at 1080p 100% of the time.

    Edit: To sum it up the dev's are just salty there game runs worse on more powerful hardware (for whatever reason).

    Also it seems they posted this on the 13th.


    Dev's just trying to backtrack from there immature BS.
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