MLC > TLC, in terms of quality.
That is all I can think off.
This conclusion summarizes fairly well why the 840 PRO is the suggested SSD in the high-end builds:
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/sto..._10.html#sect0
You can also read Anandtech's review here:
http://www.anandtech.com/show/6328/s...o-256gb-review
At the fear of dragging this topic out, I'm sure you know MLC/TLC differences isn't only about how long it lasts. I guess to some extent the Pro version makes (more) sense in the i7 build as it could be considered a build suited more towards work related stuff (besides gaming).
Caviar Blues should also be perfectly fine as storage drives paired with SSDs like with the 1220 build. (~$30 less)
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Notarget, we all know a 120GB is rarely enough space to store all games (along with Windows and other software) in a gamers library. Sure, one can shave off $30 fairly easily siding with the blue, but that's less than 2.5% saved.
How many games does one need to have on ones SSD at any one time? One could just rotate them. I could fit WoW, LoL and Windows yet still have space over for another game back when I was using my 60GB ssd in my desktop instead. This was with Windows and WoW optimised however.
If you are spending $1500 on a new computer, why get an (albeit very minor in most scenarios) slower drive just to save $30 (a less than 2% save)?
And my games library spans some 240GB last time I checked, and I'm not really a hardcore gamer. Switching is a good point, although the time you make up having your game on your SSD you most likely lose during the switching. Also, you lose a lot of convenience having to spend time swapping and switching games from SSD to HDD and back (and who wants that?).
So what I gathered from this, get 250GB+ SSD
Yeah, though I was kinda sorta being sarcastic about just getting bigger SSD. Personally I only use SSDs and then some external drives for storage.
ty updated the list marest. you have chosen wisely.
Milk was a bad choice.
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There's a typo here for the GPU:
That is not Ghz edition (even though it's clocked at 1000mhz) because Gigabyte's actual 7970 Ghz costs $449.
It's just a regular 7970 and there is absolutely no reason to blow $399 on that when MSI's GTX770 TF costs exactly the same and trumps it in performance across the board.
Just sayin'
Last edited by Xuvial; 2013-07-11 at 07:27 AM.
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Hyperbole
While it isn't a GHz-edition, it performs just about the same.
The problem with the one you linked, is a) that it's MSI, meaning slightly worse cooling more noise b) it has a moderate overclock, meaning it will not trump it in performance across the board, since the GTX 770 outperforms the HD7970 GHz by the slimmest of margins -- on average. In games where the HD7970 GHz beat the GTX 680 already, chances are the HD7970 listed will beat this GTX 770. Just not with the same margins.
The GTX 770 beats the HD7970 GHz with, on average, the same margin the HD7970 GHz had to the GTX 680.
And further reasons to spend money on it, is we have the wider membus and more memory, and while the latter won't matter as much as some people pretends it does (1.5+ plus is overkill for 1080p), but it's still relevant.
If there was ever a moment where there was "no reason to spend money" on a card that costs the same as another, both companies would've gone bankrupt six times over the last five years.
1) It's a pretty bad idea to hand down judgement on a product without first looking at reviews, especially if it's something measurable like noise. This generation of MSI cards are as quiet as DCII and Windforce cards, look up MSI's 760, 770 and 780 reviews. Pretty much all cards are tied at 35-38db.
2) Ghz edition = cherry-picked 7970's = the Gigabyte one listed there isn't one of them. At all. It's just a factory-OC'd regular 7970. Stop referring to it as Ghz edition, as I linked earlier Gigabyte has a proper 7970 Ghz priced at $449. If you're going to play the "almost the same" game with factory overclocks then that is pretty shallow, every card is almost-the-same as the card above it with just a bit of OC'ing and that's a slippery slope. Look up what Ghz edition means.
3) As you continue your argument about GTX770 and 7970 Ghz trading blows, I have to remind you once again that this isn't a Ghz edition so it's not going to OC as well as a Ghz edition would and not going to perform as well either. It's a factory-OC 7970 that is still trailing 50mhz behind a proper Ghz-edition (1050mhz) card.
4) And finally for giggles, a comparison complied from Guru3D and Techpowerup reviews for a reference GTX770 (not MSI) vs a reference 7970 (i.e. basically the Gigabyte one being recommended here), no factory overclocks so everything is fair @ 1200p/1080p:
Guru3D:
GTX770 - 7 games
HD7970 - 1 game
TechPowerUp:
GTX770 - 15 games
HD7970 - 3 games
Sweclockers:
GTX770 - 4 games
HD7970 - 2 games
Conclusion: GTX770 hands-down wins at the $399 mark, the industry is allowed to have clear winners at certain price points. Deal with it.
Gigabyte 7970 is over a year and a half old now and it's age is showing, it's price hasn't been matched to it's performance in light of newer tech like GTX700 series, plain and simple. We don't recommend i5 2500K's anymore even though they're almost the same as 3570K's in gaming, because newer and faster tech is...well, newer and faster.
At this point I've given more than enough evidence/info for Marest to make a decision (it's his thread) and am not interested in pursuing this further, thanks for whatever little discussion there was to be had.
edit: updated argument to make things a little more obvious
Last edited by Xuvial; 2013-07-11 at 11:01 PM.
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1) The relevant parts about noise isn't measurable and something able to be portrayed in graphs.
2) I'm aware how it works. It's still clocked almost the same as a GHz-edition is, stock.
3) Because it's clocked at GHz version.
4) Sweclockers, 1080p - GTX 770 5, HD7970 GHz 4. 1440p - GTX 770 4, HD7970 GHz 4.
You're of course allowed to have whichever opinions you'd like - and I encourage this.
However, saying something as definitive (and I'm paraphrasing) "There's absolutely no reason to spend money on Y when X trumps it across the board" is not only incorrect, but it's also ignorant.
Different games matter, and being definitive about something that is clearly not the case for everyone, everywhere is inadvisable.
Small suggestion for the "Gaming 460" build:
Change the A8-5600k to the Athlone II X4 750k. Basically identical performance, but $15 cheaper. And as you have a discrete gpu, the loss of the internal one doesn't really matter.
Why do something simple, when there is a complicated way?
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to note on the 810 build seems bit odd to me to go with a unlocked cpu and no aftermarket heatsink. Although that does allow for those that may not feel comfortable oc'ing now but may try it later that option to. For those that never want to oc can downgrade to a locked i5-3570 and save a few bucks
Just a matter of personal opinion and if you are going to oc or not I guess ^^
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