[Megathread] StarCraft 2

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I feel like this is going to a pointless exercise because you clearly aren't going to accept Zerg has actually evolved to require any level of micro now but whatever.

If the bio is close to the mines they will get fungaled that is why you need only a few eggs to take them out

I feel like this is going to a pointless exercise because you clearly aren't going to accept Zerg has actually evolved to require any level of micro now but whatever.

If the bio is close to the mines it is also close to where you have to put the eggs. Put the eggs too close and those mines dont get a chance to waste themselves on the eggs because they're already dead.

If you cannot predict where a stutter stepping Terran is going you are terrible.

Are you just trying to be overly aggressive for the sake of it? You can SEE where the terran is when dropping the eggs. Doesn#t make it harder to get it within mine radius and outside of your firing line. It is not a large gap. Try it yourself.

No it isn't hard to aim, you need 5-6 infestors and you fungal behind them because they can't go forward because there is blings coming in from the front.

Maybe in lower leagues the Zerg is going around with his banelings in the front of his army while trying to clear a minefield, but no one on the pro scene is, and they certainly aren't on the cusp of grandmasters.

Even if he splits perfectly, while stutter stepping, with 5-6 infestors, even after spewing out 4-5 eggs you can easily catch most of his army.

Have you even tried landing a fungal on a pack of stimmed marines yet? Hardly. If it was as easy as you claimed, life clearly wouldn't be missing 60% of his fungals, and that's on a good day.

You did read the part where I said I play Zerg? In masters, fairly high masters as well.

No sorry, i don't believe you. Unless you're some secret pro that none of us have heard of with the sole opinion infestors are overpowered. Because not even the people with the best control in the world think its easy to land fungals right now. It's challenging to land, and that makes it a good ability, and perfect in its current state. But, of course, feel free to tell Leenock, Life, RoRo, Soulkey, that fungal is actually very easy to use, and Infestors are 2 clicks.

Throwing out 4-5 infested Terrans and pressing F and click a bit behind the Terran army requires skills? No and I do count it as A-move. If you count that as proper micro you might as well count mine burrowing as micro. Please don't compare that to stutter step and splitting micro.

This is where i completely lose any sort of belief that you are a High masters Zerg. If you were you'd have had to perform the same marine splits with banelings to avoid wasting them, boxing small groups of zerglings, and then taking individual lings out at small intervals to detonate minefields, while still posturing your main army.
Stutter step, is widely known by everyone, to be very easy to perform, but gets more complex when splitting is involved.
Trying to split a huge bio ball while trying to stutter step as much as possible to not lose the majority of your stuff to banelings and ultras, yes this is intensive. And yes it can be more intensive than a Zerg piling into you, but the intensity of this micro is at a different time.
The Zerg's micro intensive portion of the fight comes before the full on engagement, while he moving his force behind the minefield, looking for potential flank opportunities, detonating mines, choosing the correct time to fire a fungal etc. The terran micro comes after the fight starts. Sure you can marine split beforehand, but you have plenty of time to do is, as you say "pressing f and t".

Lastly. This thread is mostly civil. We discuss balance without calling people bad and throwing out insults. If you want to do that i hear /r/starcraft can accommodate you if you don't want any Karma.

[MerinPally]

Using infestors to easily catch marines died when Fungal Growth became a non instant projectile and babies came out of the womb faster than that thing travels. Zerg just requires a different kind of micro now. Before it was to aid the surround and fungals were easier to land. Nowadays the surround is easier to get due to better AI and the fungals are tougher. To play stuff really well was and is hard, just in a different way. Some people still find some bits easier/harder than others, you can't just sweep it and say "this is hard, this is easy, the end". Not quite at least.

[-Zait-]

Infestors are micro intensive? You need precise aim? Are you kidding me?

If the bio is close to the mines they will get fungaled that is why you need only a few eggs to take them out and the bio ball can do nothing about it. If you cannot predict where a stutter stepping Terran is going you are terrible. No it isn't hard to aim, you need 5-6 infestors and you fungal behind them because they can't go forward because there is blings coming in from the front. Even if he splits perfectly, while stutter stepping, with 5-6 infestors, even after spewing out 4-5 eggs you can easily catch most of his army.

The skill required from the Terran to split perfectly while avoid blings, Ultras and the fungals is vastly greater then what is required from a Zerg to press F and aim a bit behind the Terran army.

You did read the part where I said I play Zerg? In masters, fairly high masters as well.

Throwing out 4-5 infested Terrans and pressing F and click a bit behind the Terran army requires skills? No and I do count it as A-move. If you count that as proper micro you might as well count mine burrowing as micro. Please don't compare that to stutter step and splitting micro.

Infestors waddle more slowly and awkwardly than a walrus with no flippers. They fungal slower than a mentally handicapped child throwing a softball. Infested Terran can be killed easily since they have no upgrades. Yes, using an Infestor actually takes micro.

[Archangel Tyrael]

You're welcome. The people in this thread are all very nice to discuss with, I've found. (Except for the occasional spammer/troll/flamer, but those get banned right away.)

Do tell if you do get it.

Thank you, I'll get it, though I intend to just play the Campaign for now, I've never been good in RTS.
For some reason I can't get better at it, it seems.

Now, if only blizzard's page wasn't bugged for me I'd already have bought it -.-

[MerinPally]

Thank you, I'll get it, though I intend to just play the Campaign for now, I've never been good in RTS.
For some reason I can't get better at it, it seems.

Now, if only blizzard's page wasn't bugged for me I'd already have bought it -.-

Is all about practice - at first I didn't want to watch pro games as I thought that was too nerdy, then I remembered I play WoW and SC. After that my ability skyrocketed. Also, if you stick around on this thread you'll find plenty of people to practice against/with.

[Archangel Tyrael]

Is all about practice - at first I didn't want to watch pro games as I thought that was too nerdy, then I remembered I play WoW and SC. After that my ability skyrocketed. Also, if you stick around on this thread you'll find plenty of people to practice against/with.

Yeah, that'd be nice. I don't really have any friends to play SC with so that's why it's hard to practice.

Do you have any suggestion for a youtube channel I could check on strategies or tips on how to be a better SC2 player?

[Wass]

Apollo starts his series again the 10th of May, can't get much better than that. Will provide a link when I'm no longer on the phone.

I say Apollo also because I have no idea which race you wanna play, Tyrael. Apollo goes through all.

[Archangel Tyrael]

Apollo starts his series again the 10th of May, can't get much better than that. Will provide a link when I'm no longer on the phone.

I say Apollo also because I have no idea which race you wanna play, Tyrael. Apollo goes through all.

I like Terrans the most, but I'm open to all, really.

I guess starting out with an ''easy one'' (if there even is such a thing) would be better. But I'd like to roll with Terrans.
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll check later again to see if you posted the link !

Gonna sleep now, talk to y'all later.

[Wass]

I like Terrans the most, but I'm open to all, really.

I guess starting out with an ''easy one'' (if there even is such a thing) would be better. But I'd like to roll with Terrans.
Thank you for the suggestion, I'll check later again to see if you posted the link !

Gonna sleep now, talk to y'all later.

Terran or Protoss for new players. Zerg mechanics are harder to understand right away and execute well (as a new player, I don't have any problems with it personally). No particular race is "easier" though once you get up to a certain level of the game. They are all hard in a way.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dignitas...?feature=watch <-- Apollo's Youtube

You have odd sleeping patterns for a German, Tyrael.

Speaking of Germany, I'm going down to Germany today myself, I'll bring my laptop with me while staying at my dad but I probably won't be on too much for a couple of days. But knowing me I'll probably lurk here at least.

[Charge me Doctor]

I haven't seen any zerg building infestors in gold and lower league. I remember one game against plat zerg who had blings, infestors and ultras against my immortal, zealot, carriers and i want to say that baiting fungals is not that hard, they fly so slow.
It was fun to see how he tried to fungal my zealots and BAM half of them retreats and half of them charges into blings.

And i wonder, what happens when you destroy rocks and they fall on units/structures? Like rocks on akilon wastes in the middle of the map

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And i wonder, what happens when you destroy rocks and they fall on units/structures? Like rocks on akilon wastes in the middle of the map

They do large damage to buildings, not sure about units though.

[MerinPally]

They do large damage to buildings, not sure about units though.

I was under the impression they do 500 damage to everything they hit.

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Yeah, that'd be nice. I don't really have any friends to play SC with so that's why it's hard to practice.

Do you have any suggestion for a youtube channel I could check on strategies or tips on how to be a better SC2 player?

I wouldn't suggest watching training channels but rather pro games and then relate them to liquipedia builds. From then on, try to emulate them and when they scout something, do the same. Wouldn't bother with some of the silly intensive micro used to harass though, that'll come naturally over time.

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Yeah it makes sense it would damage units, I've only hit buildings so couldn't say fo' sho'

[Shadowsz]

What tactics do you guys use ZT vs TT/PT 2v2 play? I play zerg and my friend plays terran. We try to open with a rush to take out some workers, and then we just army up after the first rush.

But most of the times when we meet TT, we just get steamrolled no matter what (Thor, MMM, tanks, and the whole shebang). What should we do in this case? Usually we're in front with economy (I am with 3-4 expos, my friend barely gets his 2nd cc up and running). Unit composition etc would be awesome (harass tactics aswell).

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10 pool + proxy marauder. Get speed and flood lings, fly overlord over wall in and let the marauder's burst you a hole. Pretty all-in but 2v2 is just full of cheese anyway.

[Shadowsz]

10 pool + proxy marauder. Get speed and flood lings, fly overlord over wall in and let the marauder's burst you a hole. Pretty all-in but 2v2 is just full of cheese anyway.

Yeah, I don't like terran play since we mostly have to cheese to win :/ Was hoping for a mid/endgame setup.

[Archangel Tyrael]

I wouldn't suggest watching training channels but rather pro games and then relate them to liquipedia builds. From then on, try to emulate them and when they scout something, do the same. Wouldn't bother with some of the silly intensive micro used to harass though, that'll come naturally over time.

ooh thank you..

I've already taken a look there, there is some good information on that website, though I still don't know most of the terms that are being used there, I'll have to take my time to read it carefully.

Terran or Protoss for new players. Zerg mechanics are harder to understand right away and execute well (as a new player, I don't have any problems with it personally). No particular race is "easier" though once you get up to a certain level of the game. They are all hard in a way.

http://www.youtube.com/user/dignitas...?feature=watch <-- Apollo's Youtube

You have odd sleeping patterns for a German, Tyrael.

Speaking of Germany, I'm going down to Germany today myself, I'll bring my laptop with me while staying at my dad but I probably won't be on too much for a couple of days. But knowing me I'll probably lurk here at least.

Oh thank you, guess I'll just roll with Terrans as I said then.

I'll check his channel and see what I can learn from it. Also - Where in Germany are you going to?
Let me know if you pass by München! Could always recommend a place for you to go, even though I'm in a rush lately...

as you noticed, my sleeping pattern is ''broken'', I quit my last job and now I'm just waiting for Uni.

And your sig reminds me that I have to study a lot of math, I intend to start a Mechatronics course in a Fachhochschule (University of Applied Sciences).

[Shadowsz]

Anyone in 1v1 high silver+ (plat zerg here) up for 3v3 ranked? I'm bored as hell

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Yeah, I don't like terran play since we mostly have to cheese to win :/ Was hoping for a mid/endgame setup.

Depends on what the other team have picked really. I've found 3/3 ling/bling/ultra pretty good against both Protoss and Terran as long as they haven't went air. Sound's like your partner is being out macroed though if you are on 3/4 for his 1-2. To harass Terran try drops and muta fly-bys but don't over commit if they start putting up lots of anti-air. Even an eco-bust can be pretty effective if they don't have tanks (and to an extent mines) at the ramp. If your partner dropped at their mineral line, it will pull a lot of their defenses allowing blings to bust down a wall and flood in lings.

If they go bio then try tanks/mines/vikings with ling/bling/ultra. If they both go mech then their army will be slow as hell but if its maxed your pretty fucked. Once they start to move out you could try drops to halt their production, put up lots of statics to slow them down and try for a base trade.

In my opinion it's much easier to go for a cheese, half of your opponents will try it anyway, it's so strong in team games because it's double/triple as effective.

[Shadowsz]

Depends on what the other team have picked really. I've found 3/3 ling/bling/ultra pretty good against both Protoss and Terran as long as they haven't went air. Sound's like your partner is being out macroed though if you are on 3/4 for his 1-2. To harass Terran try drops and muta fly-bys but don't over commit if they start putting up lots of anti-air. Even an eco-bust can be pretty effective if they don't have tanks (and to an extent mines) at the ramp. If your partner dropped at their mineral line, it will pull a lot of their defenses allowing blings to bust down a wall and flood in lings.

If they go bio then try tanks/mines/vikings with ling/bling/ultra. If they both go mech then their army will be slow as hell but if its maxed your pretty fucked. Once they start to move out you could try drops to halt their production, put up lots of statics to slow them down and try for a base trade.

In my opinion it's much easier to go for a cheese, half of your opponents will try it anyway, it's so strong in team games because it's double/triple as effective.

Alright cool, I learned something Cheers.

Sadly I have no clue what so ever about playing terran, so I can't even help him out with unit production etc. Zerg for life!