Target Position on Minimap, Weekly Daily Quests Cap on PTRs, Blue Posts, Comics

Originally Posted by frunken

That target on minimap thing is going to suck for stealth classes; when people are magically still targeting you even after vanishing and running 40 yards away.

I have had this with an addon called carbonite, which has a smaller addon called punks. I flashes red when it detects a enemy target thats stealthed that you can see, and puts a way point of where they where and when you last saw them on you're map

Knocking rogues and druids out of stealth since 3.2

Originally Posted by Avatar

Just to get this right.

I have to complete 7 random dungens in one week to earn 70 Valor Points ?
7 ? Nice job Blizzard. I have to play and play and play
It is possible that you enter the same rnd dungeon an Monday and on Tuesday. Will that be changed then ? Hope so...
After one week of let´s say playiny 6 rnd dungeons will that vanish on day 7 without getting any valor points ?

When you have a life and can only play in the evenings 3 days a week you will never be get Valor Points from rnd dungeons.
Perfect for all who can play and play and play. Bullshit for all others. This is not an improvement.

Blizzard please remove this point crap completly from this game. This was and will always be crap.
To get high level epics from doing daily hero kindergarten is a slap in the face for raiders.

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood this new system. In your case, it should be an upgrade to the old system because you can now do 7 dungeons in one night and get a total of 490 valor.

The change to the daily is just awesome. I always thought this is what they wanted to do when they announced the new points system for cata. Really happy that they finally do this!!

Any idea about when wecan expect 4.1 to hit? Is two weeks a fair assumption or will it take longer?

Originally Posted by Protigee

cant wait for that daily dungeon change!

Me too, got 3 Chars that hitted 85 by now, 2 Tanks 1 Healer ... Dungeontool times diminishing ^^

and my Bear is rising ... quickly ^^

So TM/SS? Thanks for using a random acronym without actually explaining what that means.

WG and TB just aren't the same as world pvp (duh)... they're not even really similar to quest hub pvp like Isle of Quel'Danas. And in my opinion, they're just not as fun. Rewards don't make those canned pvp zones "fun" either (it just makes it a different grind if you need those items), so I don't really see the point in comparing the two. Okay, fine, maybe world pvp wasn't the most "balanced" but it never really seemed like they promoted making it more viable, either.

At this point though it really is doubtful world pvp or anything like it will be back. I'd be surprised if a quest hub like Isle of Quel'Danas is implemented again, since people would just bitch endlessly about it.

In my opinion and experience, this is the problem: canned rewarded items that are the same for everyone don't make for as much fun as unique experiences such as when you tell your friend, "....and I was taking on five mobs and a rogue came out of nowhere, tried to gank me, but I killed him!" Those are the kinds of things that make games fun, in my opinion. Unfortunately, WoW has less and less of those unique experiences... so, maybe I'm just playing the wrong game. I've really deviated topic

Originally Posted by Argroth

So TM/SS? Thanks for using a random acronym without actually explaining what that means.

Well that´s Tarren Mill and Southshore in Hillsbrad

World PvP = "Haha I am a rogue and you are a priest. I can gank you all day and there is squat you can do about it".

Thank God I transferred to a PvE Realm and won't be bothered by this stuff anymore. ^-^

I like the change to the daily dungeon system, I doubt it will change queue times on off-days, as the number of so called 'casuals vs hardcore raiders' is skewed towards the casuals, who play when they can and like to.

It relieves the stress off the players who want the maximum amount of valorpoints each week, while perhaps not clearing all current content yet and as such, still 'need' the points from the daily dungeon.

Can you actually clear current content and not need the daily dungeons? Does anyone know if heroic raids yield more points then kills on normal?

currently there are 14 killable bosses, of which 1 only on heroic, so lets say, 13 (yes i included Tol Barads' lootpinata), thats in the worst case, 13x70=910 thats still 340 shy off the weekly maximum, thats 5 dungeons, so instead of actually being online 5 days, and getting the time to do them, you could just do it in the weekend or on non-raiding days.

For 25mans its even easier, 13x90=1170 thats only 80 shy of the weekly maximum, so only needing to actually do 2 (which the last one will overcap you by 60).

Originally Posted by Leatbabiez

I'm pretty sure you misunderstood this new system. In your case, it should be an upgrade to the old system because you can now do 7 dungeons in one night and get a total of 490 valor.

No, you misunderstood the new system. It doesn't say " the first seven bla bla bla will earn you 490 valor points", but just 70 valor points. So, you'll only get 70 points/week instead of the currently 490.

Originally Posted by Duniah

No, you misunderstood the new system. It doesn't say " the first seven bla bla bla will earn you 490 valor points", but just 70 valor points. So, you'll only earn 70 points a week instead of the currently 490.

You are misunderstanding what it says.

Originally Posted by Duniah

No, you misunderstood the new system. It doesn't say " the first seven bla bla bla will earn you 490 valor points", but just 70 valor points. So, you'll only earn 70 points a week instead of the currently 490.

hä? In the Rnd HC UI there is clearly stated "the first seven heroics you complete each weak will earn you 70 VP" There ist the phrase "70VP each hc" missing. So you can get a total of 490 a weak as it is now, but you can do those 7 random hcs in one go and whenever you want.

So get your facts right before you post crap :/

love the dlc! <3

Originally Posted by Megaira

So get your facts right so you don't post crap :/

fixed :O) *grin*

It will make waiting queues for damagers even longer. Much much longer!


Stupid "improvement". Give 490 points instead of 70 then!

Originally Posted by blackangel209

I'm pretty sure Bashiok was trolling the dude. He's getting better and better at it.

I figured he was.. Haha

On that same topic, I think they should introduce some sort of reward for downing each others city leaders, nothing much, but maybe like a 5% xp bonus similar to WG since the tension has been way higher in cata. I realize this is present in TB, but for some reason it doesn't feel the same.

I think the more interesting question with this change is whether as it implies in the wording you can do 7x daily heroic tier 2 and 7x the new daily heroic for ZG/ZA.

If you can that means you can now get 7x70 + 7xZA/ZG as they are a seperate tier. I only went on PTR once and i cant find the post here which stated the VP reward but i think its 140 VP for a daily ZA/ZG instance.

Potential total for non raid VP could be as high as 1470 a week now and in only 1 day with 14 runs It seems clear if that is the case that Bliz really wants people to get their valor gear before 4.2 to prevent the likely whining from people who still have poor gear levels.

while i welcome the LFD VP change on a speed of gathering and convenience point of view, i can imagine this pretty much killing LFD apart from reset days, servers come back up, everyone rushes to get their 7 done for the week, no one bothers queing again till next reset, unless ive missed something ;o