Ask the Devs - Answers #5: Achievements
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker)

Q: When will achievements finally be awarded account-wide? – Larosh (Europe [German]), Eneia & Payasos (Europe [Spanish]), Rageudder & Kellgros (Europe [English]), Деадхил (Europe [Russian]), Nyn (North America/ANZ), ****무나 (Korea)

A: Making achievements Battle.net account-wide is something we'd like to do, but it's not a goal we could provide a current timetable for. All of the original World of Warcraft coding was done with the expectation that the data on every realm would always be independent. Now that we are trying to make as many things as possible account-wide, we’re having to rebuild all of those systems. It is absolutely something we want to do, but it will take a lot of time away from other features.



Q: Will we ever be able to spend our achievement points on something? Or will there be a feature where it will be required to have x amount of points? – Nordicberry (Europe [English]), Hogosha & Wulkuhr (Europe [German]), Neroth (Europe [French]), Kularia (Northa America/ANZ), Trafalgarlaw (Latin America)

A: We want Achievements to remain as an optional thing you can do as bragging rights, or to challenge yourself. As soon as we add any kind of player power, or use them to gate anything, then they feel mandatory for a lot of players. In fact, we think one of the reason achievements are fun is that the drive to complete them is totally up to you, which keeps them (hopefully!) from feeling like a chore. If you want to go after some achievements that's a choice, and choosing not to care about achievements doesn't mean you're making your character less powerful.

We do offer pets, mounts and titles for specific achievements, and we’re unlikely to ever do anything much more “mandatory” than those.



Q: Do you plan to implement more achievements directly linked to professions or classes? – Cith (Europe [French]), Tsuteymanga (Europe [English]), Sergan (Latin America)

A: Until we can do Battle.net account-wide achievements it would be pretty cruel of us to offer achievements for say Illustrious Grand Master Alchemy, Blacksmithing and Jewelcrafting on the same character. The same is true of classes. The best we could to today would be to have something like “Land a Pyroblast for X damage” and have an equivalent one for all 10 classes, since you could get only one. We do have more room with the guild achievements, since not every task needs to be completed by one player. We’ll continue to look for fun achievements for Cooking, Fishing, First Aid and Archaeology until then.



Q: Will we ever see a change to the Warsong Gulch and Arathi Basin exalted achievement /reputation grinds? While normally a fan of time consuming achievements, these two seem to be a tad excessive. Warsong moreso as you can go entire games without gaining any reputation at all. You could in theory lose every AB you ever do, and eventually get exalted at a "reasonable" pace. Perhaps award rep for Flag returns, killing efcs, capping bases, HKs similar to Alteracy Valley, etc. – Idkmybffyata (North America/ANZ), Lunaticheart (Korea)

A: We think those are fine as achievements. They definitely take a huge time commitment, but so do some of the other achievements. And you don’t need to get them for the meta achievements.



Q: As some achievements like The Keymaster and the Shen’dralar reputations have been removed, have you considered creating a Feat of Strength for those achievements or is it possible that we get them back in the future like normal achievements? – Enarhion (Europe [Spanish]), Деадхил (Europe [Russian])

A: We added a Feat for Exalted Shen’dralar rep in 4.1. We’re unlikely to add a Keymaster feat.

We added the Keymaster achievement and then almost immediately decided to deemphasize the existence of keys in the game, and thus removed the achievement. Unfortunately it probably isn't even possible to track who had the older keys now.



Q: Guild Achievements related with professions are much more difficult than other Guild Achievements. Is there any plan to give a chance for small guilds to get those Achievement rewards? –*미** (Korea), Joq (North America/ANZ)

A: We think some of these are way too high and we plan on lowering them to more sane numbers for 4.1. The Pen is Mightier glyph achievement for example would have been reasonable with the old glyph model but is ridiculous today. We were waiting to collect some additional data from guilds currently working on those achievements, but we feel like we have enough information now to lower them. Pen is Mightier for example will go from 25,000 glyphs to 2,500 in 4.1.



Q: I'd like to see the achievement system become more active and dynamic, will we ever see achievements that unlock quest lines, dungeons, or other Easter egg content as a reward for dedicating so much time in Azeroth? – Grandevil (North America/ANZ)

A: Probably not. As we said above, we want Achievements to feel optional. Some players don’t care for the game of collecting pets or mounts, so they still feel like they can opt out of achievements. If there was a cool quest line involved, then players who felt like they could safely ignore achievements in the past would now have to go back and play catch up. If you are doing achievements today, it should be because you like to do them, not because you’re hoping for some additional reward to materialize in the future.



Q: Currently, the achievement rewards are more focused to common tasks, such as raids, events, PvP. Have you considered creating achievements with rewards that ask to do crazy things around the world, like for example, soloing bosses or mobs, or more achievements like the “Jenkins” one, that are meant to do crazy things. – Thodyr (Europe [Spanish]), Khaelthas (Europe [French]), Assmira (Europe [German])

A: We like for achievements to be fun, but we don’t want for players working on achievements to have a huge negative impact on other players. At first glance, soloing a boss mob might sound like a decent achievement. But consider that if the achievement is very easy to do then hitting all those dungeons may just feel like a chore. On the other hand, if it’s challenging to do then we suddenly have to go back and worry about class balance in a way we never had to before. Blood DKs for example excel at soloing older bosses because of their self-healing mechanic, but the same isn't true of most other classes and specs. We try not to have achievements that require you to ask your group to do something really bizarre or not fun. “Run a dungeon without picking up any loot,” would just be frustrating every time you had to debate with your group whether you were going for the achievement or not. “Jenkins” is a fun for a silly achievement, considering its history, but too much of that sort of thing would get tedious pretty quickly.



Q: Will we ever see a "search" feature in the achievement window? That's a lot of achievements to search through if you're looking for something specific. – Grandevil (North America/ANZ), Lonik (Europe [Spanish])

A: Yes, this is something we plan on doing. The current UI makes it hard to find specific achievements. There are several places in the current UI that could benefit from a smarter search.



Q: Will you ever bring back the mounts for achievements that were removed (Naxx Glory runs) as you didn't remove the later mounts? – Joyia (North America/ANZ)

A: This is a tough one. On the one hand, we know there are a lot of players who would still like to get their hands on these mounts. On the other hand, we were pretty clear that they would only be available for a limited time, and we hate to go back on our word because we know some groups went through heroic efforts to get them before the door closed. This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.



Q: The Achievement reward for “What A Long, Strange Trip It's Been” still remains as a purple proto-drake, which is a WotLK model. How about coordinating the color of the reward upon each expansion theme? – Shory (Korea)

A: The issue with meta-achievements like this is deciding how to structure them for the future. Do current players with the achievement just get a new mount every expansion? Do the old mounts go away and the new mount replaces it? Do we require you to just do one additional holiday and now you can get a second mount? We added Long Strange Trip when achievements first went in the game, and we didn’t always do a great job of designing some achievements with expandability in mind. If we had made the Long Strange Trip reward a protodrake at level 80 and then had a new achievement for doing the holidays again at level 85 that rewarded a different drake, then we might have some easily expandable content. We didn’t do that though, and it’s hard to go back and mess with existing achievements, especially ones that were hard to complete.



Q: There are still no Achievements beyond “Collect 75 unique companion pets”. Can I expect a reward for 100 companion pets in the future? – Whitewnd (Korea)

A: Patch 4.1 has achievements for 100 and 125 companions. Those particular achievements don’t reward pets, but we’ll probably do another reward at some tier in the future, perhaps 150 or 200 pets.



Q: Are we going to see more PvP achievements that reward mounts? Currently most of the cool mounts are awarded for PvE achievements. – Demodras (Europe [English])

A: PvP achievements are even trickier to design than PvE achievements because it’s harder to come up with something cool to do that doesn’t make the experience worse for everyone else. You don’t want to see the one dude who is trying to engineer capturing and losing a flag twenty times in one BG just so he can get the achievement for capturing a lot of flags. As a result, many of the PvP achievements are just for winning a lot of Arenas or BGs, which we feel already come with a lot of rewards. On that note, we are adding unique ground mounts to winning Rated Battle Grounds similar to the flying mounts you get for excelling at Arenas.

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  1. Malekius's Avatar
    What I really wanna see is a upgrade to the Mountain o' Mounts, maybe 125-150, but with some kind of VERY unique mount, not just a reused model like the Dragonhawk (even though, I love it).
  1. Matchu's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Montao View Post
    I got the Keymaster achieve on my hunter in WotLK, and now someone from somewhere w/ a "blue" label tells me that's hard to track my keys........come ooooon......Blizzard again is BSing everyone. So, it's not hard to delete achieves and take my $15 per month, but it's hard to recover, ha ? So, where is my refund ?
    Most of the keys were deleted. The bit of the database that says "You have this key" is no longer there, so sending a search down the DB for "people with X key" won't work. So, no retroactive achievement.

    I mean they probably have DB backups, but that's a stupid amount of work for one FoS. And this is coming from a 6 times Keymaster.
  1. Chaoslux's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Do people actually go for achievements?! Wow. Gratz on getting yellow text lol
    Maldazzar Says Hi.
  1. Beatndown's Avatar
    Q: Will you ever bring back the mounts for achievements that were removed (Naxx Glory runs) as you didn't remove the later mounts? – Joyia (North America/ANZ)

    A: This is a tough one. On the one hand, we know there are a lot of players who would still like to get their hands on these mounts. On the other hand, we were pretty clear that they would only be available for a limited time, and we hate to go back on our word because we know some groups went through heroic efforts to get them before the door closed. This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.


    Umm if i do recall blizz also said when cata was announced at blizzcon they were not going to change the talent trees they were going to put all the effort into new content. So this is the biggest crock of crap i ever heard.

    My opinion
  1. bloodwine77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Eiffeltower View Post
    Do people actually go for achievements?! Wow. Gratz on getting yellow text lol
    I would not underestimate achievements and their contribution to subscriber retention.

    Achievements were a brilliant move by Blizzard to keep people toiling away at WoW during the later months of WotLK. A lot of people like collecting things. Some people are completionists. Others have OCD and achievements are an itch that need to be scratched. They added a new element to the game to keep people running on the hamster wheels.
  1. SonsofDisaster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by AWildmann View Post
    What I really wanna see is a upgrade to the Mountain o' Mounts, maybe 125-150, but with some kind of VERY unique mount, not just a reused model like the Dragonhawk (even though, I love it).
    I'm hoping the "maybe have more pet collecting achieves" also applies to mount collecting achievements. I'll have 125 once Children's Week rolls around and a 125/150 achievement would make me really happy.
  1. Lothaeryn's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by bloodwine77 View Post
    I would not underestimate achievements and their contribution to subscriber retention.

    Achievements were a brilliant move by Blizzard to keep people toiling away at WoW during the later months of WotLK. A lot of people like collecting things. Some people are completionists. Others have OCD and achievements are an itch that need to be scratched. They added a new element to the game to keep people running on the hamster wheels.
    I hate not seeing something complete, and i agree with your statement, even though it describes people who actually go for achieves like rodents, I would watch your tone next time you speak..

    Other than that, ive kept myself busy even if its not achievement based, been collecting old armor sets and currently working on this vanilla green set from 50 rare spawns, will be interesting to see once its completed
  1. bloodwine77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lothaeryn View Post
    I hate not seeing something complete, and i agree with your statement, even though it describes people who actually go for achieves like rodents, I would watch your tone next time you speak..

    Other than that, ive kept myself busy even if its not achievement based, been collecting old armor sets and currently working on this vanilla green set from 50 rare spawns, will be interesting to see once its completed
    I did not mean it as an insult. Objectively, a lot of things we do in WoW are grinds ... and a good visual for a grind is a hamster running on a wheel.

    Becoming bored with most aspects of WoW, I have turned to achievements, pet collecting, and mount collecting as ways to pass the time. Most of my WoW friends only log on during raid times these days, so I've had more time to devote to knocking out achievements.
  1. Nycero's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lothaeryn View Post
    Think of it this way, you were ALREADY going to fish out all of those fish to use for a fish feast to begin with, so why wouldnt it make sense to make the good recipie drop from fishing all those fish out?

    Its a win win situation for that guild achievement, the only thing that could be an issue is the amount of fish you needed to begin with.
    Exactly. It's not like the feast is mandatory. I had 90 buff food for every raid before we got this achievement, and I have flasks every time even though we still don't have cauldrons. Maybe it's not so much the achievement being soul crushing as your guild not putting in enough effort or wanting rewards for being too casual to try.
  1. Nosferato's Avatar
    hmm why not give pet collectors pets for 100 and 125, i mean ppl who buy pets online or attacnd blizzcon gets better pets than from those rewards and now you dont even give pet rewards for 100/125, silly
  1. DeanyKong's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Beatndown View Post
    My opinion
    Well in that case, I won't argue with anything you said.

    I have a shield.
  1. mmoc21b9eae572's Avatar
    who cares about achievments ? oh yeah people that have nothing better to do...it is just a waste of time.
  1. rcc6214's Avatar
    Why did no one ask about a mount achievement ?
  1. Gurbz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Beatndown View Post
    Q: Will you ever bring back the mounts for achievements that were removed (Naxx Glory runs) as you didn't remove the later mounts? – Joyia (North America/ANZ)

    A: This is a tough one. On the one hand, we know there are a lot of players who would still like to get their hands on these mounts. On the other hand, we were pretty clear that they would only be available for a limited time, and we hate to go back on our word because we know some groups went through heroic efforts to get them before the door closed. This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.


    Umm if i do recall blizz also said when cata was announced at blizzcon they were not going to change the talent trees they were going to put all the effort into new content. So this is the biggest crock of crap i ever heard.

    My opinion
    Just because they've done it doesn't mean they were happy about it. Conversely, just because they hate doing something, doesn't mean that they won't later realize that it is something that needs to be done regardless of how much they don't like it.
  1. Liinxy's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Keleri View Post
    This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.

    :OOOOOOO

    PLAYER FEEDBACK, LET'S GO, MOMMA NEEDS HER PLAGUED PROTO

    Yeah, I'm thinking about starting a thread/petition on the official site, if no one has already. I want T_T
  1. Evelyn's Avatar
    hmm why not give pet collectors pets for 100 and 125, i mean ppl who buy pets online or attacnd blizzcon gets better pets than from those rewards and now you dont even give pet rewards for 100/125, silly
    i couldn't agree more. it's just blasphemy for them not to have a 100 or 125 pet reward. they skipped 75 so you'd think at least 125 pets would reward a pet. -_-
  1. isadorr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Montao View Post
    Yes....I don't pay now, but the problim is that I did in the past rofl
    It is amazing what people do in game for pets,mounts and achievement points lol.
  1. Therec's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Erathus View Post
    who cares about achievments ? oh yeah people that have nothing better to do...it is just a waste of time.
    So is WoW with that logic.
  1. isadorr's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Beatndown View Post
    Q: Will you ever bring back the mounts for achievements that were removed (Naxx Glory runs) as you didn't remove the later mounts? – Joyia (North America/ANZ)

    A: This is a tough one. On the one hand, we know there are a lot of players who would still like to get their hands on these mounts. On the other hand, we were pretty clear that they would only be available for a limited time, and we hate to go back on our word because we know some groups went through heroic efforts to get them before the door closed. This is the kind of thing that is not set in stone and player feedback might eventually convince us to change our minds.


    Umm if i do recall blizz also said when cata was announced at blizzcon they were not going to change the talent trees they were going to put all the effort into new content. So this is the biggest crock of crap i ever heard.

    My opinion
    I hope they keep focusing on getting the next tier of raiding out and not worry about a title that means nothing above someone head or pets,mounts and achievement points that will never be used for anything. Just like they dont put all of their time into pvp as it is a pve game with raiding obviously a larger part of the game thus more important.
  1. bloodwine77's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Erathus View Post
    who cares about achievments ? oh yeah people that have nothing better to do...it is just a waste of time.
    Time you enjoy wasting, was not wasted

    Also, as Therec pointed out, anything and everything in WoW can be seen as a waste of time. It all depends on the person.

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