Cross-Realm Dungeon Feature Coming Soon

I'm glad that after almost 6 years of WoW I'm able to say I'm over it. Once Diablo III hits beta and I get an invite, it's goodbye WoW forever.

Originally Posted by Kaeleena

Yeah, it's a choice for me to not have the full compliment of ingame features that I was promised and has been delivered on by Blizzard since day one. If people taking away something they've always offered to you in the past is your choice you must have a screwed up world view.

I dare you to show what's been taken away. Especially something that has been delivered since day one.

Love paying even more for a game that already costs too much for what it provides.

Might as well create premium memberships just so you can do BGs, arenas, dungeons and raids.

You're doing it right Blizzard.

Originally Posted by Vendain

Their expenses go up month to month, as prices on every aspect of the supply chain go up. Employees get raises, gas costs more, electricity costs more, etc etc.

However, the monthly fee has stayed the same. It hasn't increased. So to maintain the same profit margin, you've got two options. Increase the monthly fee ACROSS THE BOARD, or increase it for a subset of gamers who are willing to pay for it for some optional perks.

I don't think it's about greed, but rather maintaining the same profit that the shareholders are relying on. You want to see the game really get fucked up? Let there be a 30% drop in profitability, and let the board of directors step in and start shaking things up. Believe me, this is the far better alternative.

You completely ignore the fact that this game initially was designed to support 500K players for that monthly fee. We are now at 12 MILLION active subscribers, and while this has raised the need for more servers, power costs etc. I find it had to believe 40 million euros every month doesn't cover everything plus a huge huge profit, much much more than the initial 500K would have provided. So don't give me the bullshit about rising costs.
Also, you forget the fact that they are ALREADY milking the community with faction changes, realm transfers, vanity pets and mounts, re-customizations, etc., all of which are ridiculously overpriced for the amount of effort needed to do one of those things, and all of which offer another huge chunk of profit to the company for which was a ONE-TIME effort in development.

This was all fine and dandy until now, since those were OPTIONAL things which you didn't need to enjoy the game (arguably the realm transfer is needed to play with your friends, but we'll skip that), but now they've started going down a totally different path and charging a MONTHLY fee for things that are useful in-game, rather than cosmetic.

This is because of the company's desire to make every compartment profitable. They won't take away from the subscription profits or the vanity pet profits, or from the profits of all other features to develop these things, they are moving towards every single thing they do extra to generate money.

TL;DR they're still greedy bastards, and it's easy to see if you think a bit.

Originally Posted by Kragragh

Again - freak out when it happens, not when it hasn't happened. There's a guy in NYC saying the world will end Saturday. No one is spending all their money before Saturday because of him.

yus because those comparisons work. Unlike your friend in NYC my theroy is based off what has actually happened in the past, you think previous MMOs havent died from "premium" bullshit cuz the company got greedy?

No matter what people say, this feature expands the pool of people from which you can create a group to do a dungeon, so it affects gameplay, not by much since the pool grows very little (unless you promote this off the game and add realid to carry people in exchange of real money, then the pol grows bigger), but it does expand it.

There should be no fee for this.

Originally Posted by Kragragh

Who said they didn't? In fact, I remember reading in their statement (or another statement) that there is a normal cycle of subscribing that they see throughout expansions.

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When were you "promised" everything, or even this feature? I didn't see anything like that on the back of any of my boxes of expansions.

This isn't part of the normal cycle of subscribing that they've seen go through expansions. It took BC 20 months to peak and it took WotLK 18 months to peak. This expansion has peaked in died back to below the WotLK low in only 3 months. Again, you don't know what you're talking about.

The answer to question 2. Everyone who's played this game from day one has always been promised continued content updated beyond the base box cost and additional quality-of-life improvements at no additional cost to the player above a simple monthly subscription fee. This is a gateway for them to add a million and one premium services to the game that they used to offer in the past for free as part of the normal subscription fee. If you want to kill this game and drive it into the ground any quicker than you're already doing it, implementing free features as premium features is the perfect way to do it.

Originally Posted by bergmann620

Of course, this is part of the problem.

These things you refer to aren't even close to a necessity.

The vast majority of people have no clue what actual necessities are.

If your grandparents grew up without it, it's not a necessity.

It's pretty amusing to look at things though from this perspective- the more you get, the more you think you're entitled to. It's the way the world works, and that makes me sad.

Food, shelter, and clothes are the only necessities in life (and I guess you could argue that clothes are optional).

However, we live in a fast-paced, interconnected world now and if you are without telephone (land or cell based) and internet connectivity, then you are at a big disadvantage. Sure you can live without them, but you will face some hardships. Try getting a job without a phone, it is nearly impossible.

Originally Posted by Yavvy

Err, no. The adult thing to do is to try to convince them to change it. You've heard of democracy? Freedom of speech? Protest, strikes, debates? They're based on the idea that if you don't like something, you should say so, and maybe you can convince people to change it.

It will be too late by then. If someone is aiming a gun at you, you don't wait until you see the bullet flying towards you before you move.

I'll bet they pay alot more attention to the survey you fill out when you cancel than they do to a bunch of kids screaming obscenities on MMO-Champ's forums.

They've stated a hundred times that thought-out, dispassionate posts are the ones they pay attention to. Also, actions > words.

Originally Posted by SPL

I'm glad that after almost 6 years of WoW I'm able to say I'm over it. Once Diablo III hits beta and I get an invite, it's goodbye WoW forever.

As others have stated, this has given them some concerns over D3 and if this nickel-and-dime "premium" mentality spills over to D3.

And on a final note, all you people saying either pay the price or don't use the feature, what I'm going to do is take my subscription fee and go to another game service where I'm allowed to play the game on my terms without being nickeled and dimed to death on simple features that should be base part of gameplay. Afterall, it is an "mmo". If they're discouraging you from playing with your friends when you already provide them with a $15 subscription without you paying them an incentive to offer you additional features, you're better off finding a better game with community full of less douchebaggery.

Originally Posted by Yavvy

Err, no. The adult thing to do is to try to convince them to change it. You've heard of democracy? Freedom of speech? Protest, strikes, debates? They're based on the idea that if you don't like something, you should say so, and maybe you can convince people to change it.

It will be too late by then. If someone is aiming a gun at you, you don't wait until you see the bullet flying towards you before you move.

Sure, I'm all about having your voice heard - but it's a stupid voice to say this shouldn't be implemented because they might implement game-changing features down the road. Just because someone have a voice and an opinion doesn't make it sensical or valid.

Also, let's not compare murder with a video game.

Originally Posted by bloodwine77

Food, shelter, and clothes are the only necessities in life (and I guess you could argue that clothes are optional).

However, we live in a fast-paced, interconnected world now and if you are without telephone (land or cell based) and internet connectivity, then you are at a big disadvantage. Sure you can live without them, but you will face some hardships. Try getting a job without a phone, it is nearly impossible.

You do realise that less than 15% of the world populations have cellphones ? You do realise that less than 10% of the world population have internet connections ?

You do realise that less than 0.001% of the world playes WOW ?
WOW is not nessesity. Neither is phone or Internet connections. Some consider them luxury - others consider them slavery.

If all the things in the world were as easy as arguing over pointless payed for features in World of Warcraft...

Originally Posted by Duster505

You do realise that less than 15% of the world populations have cellphones ? You do realise that less than 10% of the world population have internet connections ?

You do realise that less than 0.001% of the world playes WOW ?
WOW is not nessesity. Neither is phone or Internet connections. Some consider them luxury - others consider them slavery.

If all the things in the world were as easy as arguing over pointless payed for features in World of Warcraft...

65% of statistics are made up

Originally Posted by bergmann620

I dare you to show what's been taken away. Especially something that has been delivered since day one.

They're going to start taking away features they developed in the background because paying for your box didn't cover it, paying for your monthly subscription fee didn't cover it, they want you to pay for the same damn thing you can get elswhere for free for a THIRD time. I'm sorry. I don't know about the rest of you but the government already hits me coming and going on taxes. I'm not about to let some ignorant WoW administrator on an ego trip do the same to me in a game I play in my spare time for enjoyment. Being treated as revenue generator rather than a customer is downright degrading.

Honestly I don't really see a problem with it. However this type of stuff is a slippery slope.

It started with the vanity items pets for 10, and mounts for 25 dollars American.

Now we have the premium service for X amount of dollars.

Next we have X Raid/Dungeon only available to premium members, or X type of gear only available to premium members, or certain zones only available to premium members, premium member recieve X% more xp or gold or better item drop rate... see where I am going with this.

Now that being said if the premium service paid for faction change, race change/modification, receiving the vanity pets and mounts w/no extra purchase, I would be inclined to purchase it... but like I said this premium service stuff is a downward spiral.

There are alot of games that already have service levels built in ... difference is those games are free

Originally Posted by Vormav

Yeah I gotta say you're right. The fact that ANY of their customers love this crap and support it makes me sigh. This makes me so very scared for D3. I wondered why the hell it's taking them longer to make D3 which is an action rpg than it takes most companies to make an MMO, and now I'm wondering if its because they're thinking of features like this crap to justify it being free to play online.

Sucks =\

I dont actually bave to tell you what will happen if they do it on D3 do i? Piratebay will send them a "thank you" letter.

Originally Posted by Duster505

You do realise that less than 15% of the world populations have cellphones ? You do realise that less than 10% of the world population have internet connections ?

You do realise that less than 0.001% of the world playes WOW ?
WOW is not nessesity. Neither is phone or Internet connections. Some consider them luxury - others consider them slavery.

If all the things in the world were as easy as arguing over pointless payed for features in World of Warcraft...

I thought we were talking along the lines of US/EU. At any rate, our side discussion is going off-topic. My original point was to counteract someone who was using cell phone bills and cable bills as justification for blizzard adding more fees and extras to their subs for extra features.

Hahaha. Almost got me Blizzard. I think $14.99 is fine. You want more just so we can form dungeon groups from our friends? No, but thank you.

Originally Posted by Ayperos

Hahaha. Almost got me Blizzard. I think $14.99 is fine. You want more just so we can form dungeon groups from our friends? No, but thank you.

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