Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) already working on Firelands Heroic - Shannox World First Kill
A lot of guilds killed all the bosses of the Firelands raid in normal mode already but it seems that Stars (TW - Crystalpine Stinger) decided to take it one step further.

After clearing the encounters in normal mode, the entire raid changed faction to reset their raid ID and started working on heroic encounters shortly after, that kind of thing happened in the past and it's not really surprising to see it used again to grab first kills.

As I write these lines, Stars killed Shannox in Heroic Mode. It's not really my place to judge if something is against the rules or not and I will just keep tracking heroic first kills as they happen.



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Eternal Embers and Seething Cinders Droprates
You’re assuming the drop chances for embers averages out to .5 per boss in 10’s and 2 per boss in 25’s, which it doesn’t. Whether you’re in 10’s or 25’s you’re going to see an equal drop average for Eternal Embers per player, and the same can be said for Seething Cinders. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

New Content - Differences between PvE and PvP Players
The answer to your question revolves around a common difference in how PvE players and PvP players approach the game. Generally speaking, PvE players want more quests, more dungeons and more raids to experience -- more and new content is king. On the other hand, while some PvP players do want new maps, many others would be happier if we perfected the Arena or BG maps that already exist - or even if we cut existing maps. After all, PvP players don’t graduate out of Arathi Basin or Dalaran sewers the same way PvE players graduate from dungeon to heroic, or raid tier to raid tier. We did make some improvements to the existing PvP maps, such as trying to return Ring of Valor to circulation and changing the way flags work in Eye of the Storm (for rated play).

We’d love to add a lot more maps than we currently do, but we need to do it in such a way that doesn’t make the PvP experience worse for players who are more interested in refining their PvP experience than in seeing new maps. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.2 Hairstyles
We had a bunch of hairstyles we threw in for testing on the PTR and the majority of them did not pass the test. (quality, art direction, bugs, etc.) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Patch 4.0 Raids now puggable
We specifically intend for the 4.0 raids to be puggable now that Firelands is out. Grabbing some tier 11 by way of Justice, quest rewards, plus across the board difficulty nerfs should really be enough to get them going.

The patch has only been out a day or so though. I think it'll probably take a little bit before people really get it into their heads that they should be pugging the previous tier because it's not too hard to be successful. It's just getting people used to the various encounters and mechanics.

Maybe people are waiting for the holiday weekend? If nothing else, leading one yourself is always an option. I think we'd agree that we need some better ways to get pug raids together considering we intend to follow the "New Raid is Hard, old Tier is Puggable" format from here on.

Still unsure what that means regarding the final raid (i.e. Deathwing). Do pugs not get to see him until the next expansion is released? (Not saying whether that's a good thing or not, but personally I enjoyed getting to Arthas on some of my alts without spending near as much time as I did on my main.)
In ICC we had a stacking raid buff over time which gradually made the content easier. Not saying we’ll do that exact thing again but the philosophy was around even then that everyone who wants to can eventually see the content, but it’s going to take very organized groups (which typically means raiding guilds) to see the encounters first.

So casuals will constantly be a tier behind for the rest of the life of this game? If that is what is actually coming out of your mouth I'll save myself the time and unsub now. What a piss poor vision for your game. There are normal and heroic versions of raids for a reason. That heroic difficulty was implemented so that the two segments of the population (casual and hardcore) would both have something to do. You are now bifurcating the raiding population AGAIN, by telling casuals that they have to run around in the left overs.
Trying to label all of our players as “casual puggers” vs.” hardcore raiders” is ridiculously simplistic. Among raiders there is an enormous diversity of players. There are those who will raid virtually every night when new content is out, to guilds that raid once a week (and even then will cancel raid nights fairly commonly). If you must try to label raiders, you’d be closer to the Blizzard model if you said normal mode is for organized raids, heroic mode is for more hardcore organized raids, and the previous tier of content (and Baradin Hold) is targeted for pick-up groups. Also consider that even within a raid zone we try to design easier bosses (usually near the front) and more challenging ones (usually at the end) which can help blur those lines and offer smoother transitions for each category.

Overall, we think you’ll have a better experience playing World of Warcraft if you play with friends, either existing or those you meet in game. WoW, while much more solo friendly than most older MMO games, is still intended as a multiplayer game. We provide features like Dungeon Finder for when playing with friends isn’t possible, and as we said above, we’d like to offer more features like that. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Tabards Tab
Are there any considerations for a tab for your tabards?
Yes!

[...] To clarify: he asked if we were considering it, and yes we are considering it. :) (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Keyring Removal
On a serious point though some people are upset about the removal of the key ring. While that seems like we're just taking it out to be bullies, it specifically frees up storage space we can then make into useful features. Not that it will specifically be used for 'tabard storage', but we are going to be using the space the removal of the key ring freed up. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Thrall and Aggra's "wedding"
Correct. Their pledging of their lives to one another was essentially their 'wedding', although I'm sure Orcs don't use such nomenclature to refer to these things. Maybe 'life bond' fits better. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Does Blizzard plan on adding the rest of the dungeons and raids to the Dungeon Journal?
Absolutely. With the time it takes to present a single boss in the Dungeon Journal we were only confident supplying Cataclysm content with the release of the feature in 4.2, but we are on a path to filling it out with all dungeons and raids in the entire game. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Steam Summer Sales
In a very, very, very unrelated sidenote, Steam Summer Sales are up. I don't usually news non-WoW stuff but ... well, I like Valve and I'm pretty sure a lot of people will be happy to hear the news. Also, don't forget that we have a Video Games Forum!
This article was originally published in forum thread: Stars Heroic Shannox World First Kill, Blue Posts started by Boubouille View original post
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  1. Kesolovac's Avatar
    Lets look at the definition of "world first". It is the thing you do, before anyone else in the whole world. So did Stars or didn't kill shannox first?
    They killed him first, hence they are world's first killers of Shannox.

    Enough for me.
  1. Ceodoc's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Alterraia View Post
    Doesn't count, they exploited a feature of the game, i.e. cheated, so this is a waste of a post. Don't track crap. I just killed a worg using Thunderfury, wearing a pink dress, and used the rainbow generator trinket while I /kissed my mojo frog. And I had 4 dwarven women doing a sword dance around me, after using the archy item. All of this at once. I'm pretty sure that's world first. That's just as noteworthy as this kill.
    Screenshot, or it did'nt happen!
  1. archangel1701's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kesolovac View Post
    Lets look at the definition of "world first". It is the thing you do, before anyone else in the whole world. So did Stars or didn't kill shannox first?
    They killed him first, hence they are world's first killers of Shannox.

    Enough for me.
    So who got the "world first" kill of Yogg+0? I seem to recall Exodus used an exploit to kill him, and were then banned. Then Stars got the legitimate world first.

    Stars exploited the paid transfer system to obtain an additional raid lockout, it's just as bad as what Exodus did in WotLK. Actually, it's worse... this is one step above buying gear. They used RL money to obtain a SIGNIFICANT ingame advantage (the option to try heroic modes before anyone else in the world could without using RL money in a similar way). Sorry, Stars, this one doesn't count.
  1. adezero's Avatar
    I don't understand why people care. I could turn on cbs and watch a soap opera with less drama than this.
  1. Afrosaurus's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by archangel1701 View Post
    So who got the "world first" kill of Yogg+0? I seem to recall Exodus used an exploit to kill him, and were then banned. Then Stars got the legitimate world first.

    Stars exploited the paid transfer system to obtain an additional raid lockout, it's just as bad as what Exodus did in WotLK. Actually, it's worse... this is one step above buying gear. They used RL money to obtain a SIGNIFICANT ingame advantage (the option to try heroic modes before anyone else in the world could without using RL money in a similar way). Sorry, Stars, this one doesn't count.
    There's is no in-game advantage being bought here. As far as Blizzard is concerned, they transferred because they felt like switching factions. The raid-lock wipe is just a technical side effect because it would be impossible to have Horde and Alliance on the same raid lockout.

    Perfectly legit, Grats Stars.
  1. mmoc0d8e6c2903's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Huntingbear_grimbatol View Post
    It's not about the pixels, it's about the "fame" or "glory" of being the best, some people consider wow pvp and wow progression an E-sport and those are the ones that are mad about STARS cheating the system. What if Real Madrid could play 1 extra match a season to win the legue? same thing happend here.. it's bullshit, if you don't care about it fine. But for us that do care about being ranked in progression it pisses us of that someone is such douchebags that they know a trick in the system and exploits it instead of being good "sportsmen" /fellow gamers and reporting it.

    I don't thing they should be banned but if they do get banned i would be happy.
    Um, did you just compare a major football league to people slaying dragons while sitting in their chairs and drinking mountain dew?

    Most WoW players don't give a crap about world firsts or "serious" raiding. How much does the average Real Madrid player (ATHLETE) earn? How much the average lulz pro gamer? Call it a sport if you want to but nobody really gives a crap about e"sport" and most people just laugh at these clowns that take themselves very very very seriously. You can raid all 24 hours/7 days a week for all I care but don't be a dick, unfortunately most wannabe hardcores seem to have social issues (aka being smug even tho they shouldn't be).

    Every god damn time these world firsts appear there is drama surrounding it, I wish Boub would stop posting them.
  1. Frosties's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Veldryn View Post
    lols @ morons who change faction / spend money for pixel fame
    You pay to play wow sooooo um ya, grats champ...
  1. Merendel's Avatar
    This just highlights the fact that we need a better method of tracking world firsts. Considering each region has a different update time it may be better if its tracked by time since that region had it available. Yes US gets first crack at it but if the top US guild takes 12 hours from the servers comeing up to get the kill and the next day when EU gets the patch Ensidia takes only 8 hours to kill then ensidia gets the world first. Its no different from a multi heat race, the people in the first heat do not automatically win just because they finished before the later heats even leave the starting line.
  1. archangel1701's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Afrosaurus View Post
    There's is no in-game advantage being bought here. As far as Blizzard is concerned, they transferred because they felt like switching factions. The raid-lock wipe is just a technical side effect because it would be impossible to have Horde and Alliance on the same raid lockout.

    Perfectly legit, Grats Stars.
    Getting twice the amount of loot from the bosses each week isn't an advantage? Even without that, they got to an encounter IN THE GAME before they could have if they hadn't paid the money. How is that not an in-game advantage?
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Kesolovac View Post
    Lets look at the definition of "world first". It is the thing you do, before anyone else in the whole world. So did Stars or didn't kill shannox first?
    They killed him first, hence they are world's first killers of Shannox.

    Enough for me.
    What is the point in doing something "world first" when no one else has even a chance at doing it? You took a piss at your own toilet "world first", gratz!

    E: And going by your logic I'm quite sure that the Blizzard raid testing team did it "world first".
  1. razisgosu's Avatar
    Gratz on the world first. Haters gonna hate. Ensidia fanboys tears fuel all.
  1. NO7OR1OUS's Avatar
    Mental images of the WoW player from Southpark fills my head of what these guys must look like.
  1. luckybeer's Avatar
    What must your lives be like for you to care about such petty things? Stars wants to be #1 and they found a way to do it. All of the other top guilds have the SAME OPTION and could easily do it too, they just choose not to. If paragon and vodka decided to do this followed by premonition people would be singing a much different tune. Just because one TW guild that has gotten the shit end of the stick in the past has decided to finally show everyone how clever and smart they can be (as well as excellent raiders) doesn't mean everyone has to jump down their throats.
  1. Lamperouqe's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by luckybeer View Post
    What must your lives be like for you to care about such petty things? Stars wants to be #1 and they found a way to do it. All of the other top guilds have the SAME OPTION and could easily do it too, they just choose not to. If paragon and vodka decided to do this followed by premonition people would be singing a much different tune. Just because one TW guild that has gotten the shit end of the stick in the past has decided to finally show everyone how clever and smart they can be (as well as excellent raiders) doesn't mean everyone has to jump down their throats.
    No they do not have the same option. Raid ID's reseting is a bug only at their region, hence it's a bug abuse.
  1. Zdrasti's Avatar
    Lulsec disbands and then suddenly this clever out of the box manipulation of Blizzard? Coincidence? I think not!

    Clearly STARS did it for the LULZ and to get Blizzard to fix a bug theyve known about for years. Just be glad they didn't hack your account to do it! =-p

    (If you can't tell I'm just playing around)
  1. Kouki's Avatar
    Good for them, if blizz bans anyone then they need to make faction change free like rift or aion.
  1. Wowopa's Avatar
    Unless they violated a Blizz TOS/AUP, then it counts. Cheesy? Maybe. Clever? Yes. In violation? That's for Blizzard to say.
  1. mmocb2358cdeee's Avatar
    Well considering a GM threw them out of the instance and prevented them from re-entering after realizing what they were doing fair to say Blizzard didn't exactly approve of this.
  1. Sprucelee's Avatar
    What is more interesting to me is everyone who calls this clever, I keep seeing the term "clever use of game mechanics"... over and over... lol.. not so much. Its about as "clever" as using steroids or corking a bat in baseball.

    I have only played this game since WOTLK but everyone knows about this exploit. It is pretty much common knowledge, along with the fact that it was also stopped by Blizzard for both faction and realm changes to prevent just this. The only thing that was unknown here was that Blizzard made an oversight on tw and only hit the US/EU with this fix.

    Fairness aside (as part of me does understand their frustration with always behing behind in tw), I just don't get how anyone thinks this is even remotely "clever". Old exploit is old.

    And it looks like they pissed Blizzard off, pretty dumb if you ask me, Blizzard even talks about this in multiple posts/FAQ's, their postion is pretty clear even if it was loop-holed in tw. Not to mention wowprogress also having a clear stance about this WELL KNOWN AND NOT EVEN REMOTELY CLEVER exploit.

    I bet if they did it everyday to get geared in a week people would also think it was "clever"... lmao, welcome to yesterday.
  1. Aerion's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Sprucelee View Post
    What is more interesting to me is everyone who calls this clever, I keep seeing the term "clever use of game mechanics"... over and over... lol.. not so much. Its about as "clever" as using steroids or corking a bat in baseball.

    I have only played this game since WOTLK but everyone knows about this exploit. It is pretty much common knowledge, along with the fact that it was also stopped by Blizzard for both faction and realm changes to prevent just this. The only thing that was unknown here was that Blizzard made an oversight on tw and only hit the US/EU with this fix.

    Fairness aside (as part of me does understand their frustration with always behing behind in tw), I just don't get how anyone thinks this is even remotely "clever". Old exploit is old.

    And it looks like they pissed Blizzard off, pretty dumb if you ask me, they even talk about the topic in repeated posts/FAQ's

    And they shouldn't pay a price for overlooking things that should not be overlooked? I mean they should have it under control, right?

    Just throwing it out there...

    But all in all, I think Stars-TW should be locked out for the rest of the week like everyone else. Just can't help wondering why on earth did they overlook TW aspect of this in the first place.

    PS.

    If the door to a Bank is open it doesn't mean it's any less illegal to steal from there.

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