Valor Points Changes to 4.3 PTR, 4.3 BG Conquest Rewards

Originally Posted by Gneisha

10 man raids are only easier in the sense that you don't need as many people to do one (obviously). A few fights are easier in 10 man as you have more room to maneuver. However, 25 mans are quite a bit more forgiving if you lose people. A lot of times in a 10 man raid, especially learning new fights, if you lose more than one person, it's a wipe. 25s can lose possibly up to 5 people and still kill a boss depending on who those people were and when they died during the fight.

The reason 25 mans aren't run more often is the work required to put them together and keep them going. Most of the times, fights are easier with 25 people. Why do you think the top guilds run 25 mans over 10 mans?

True, but don't forget that you don't only have to wait for 10 people to learn what they are doing but you have to make sure 25 people understand what to execute and when.

hoorah!

Woot at conquest point change.

Originally Posted by Alantor

Conquest points change SUCK. Do normal raid give heroic loot?

If you're a better player than the person you are going up against it's not going to matter if they are wearing conquest gear like you or just honor gear. You'll still beat them. All it will do is keep you from destroying them in 3 seconds. If you really wanted to be "fair" people with full conquest wouldn't be allowed to do regular bg's. This change allows people to gear up and not feel like they are absolutely destroyed when they step in to BG's which ends up making them not want to do them anymore. It also gives a good alternative to sitting around looking for RBG's.

Originally Posted by Stalemate

Ahhhhh... refreshing to see the stars moving more into alignment. We can get our Conquest by not stepping foot into Arena or Random BG's, which inherently puts more people into randoms and the pvper's not interested in Arenas or RBG's out of them.

Not sure what to make of the Valor change, I dont raid anymore, however I will once the LFR tool goes live. I think it will open up a bit more 10 mans which makes the gap from non raiding/LFR raiding to normal raiding a little smoother.

you already can get conquest by not stepping foot in arena or random bgs.i guess you missed the patch where you can convert valor points to conquest

Originally Posted by CrunkJuice5

maybe its because your a scrub that uses a pve spec and not because people are elitist.oh and nice rating in 2's LOL


plus orc is better racial wise then blood elf for a warrior

The extra silence Blood Elfs get is really good as well. You could make a case for Taurens as well with War Stomp.

I like the conquest change - only because I don't arena and I play a paladin (s11 woo). But at the same time bots couldn't be happier.

Awsome! Now that my guild is not very active for a while (same with myself) i can still have stuff to do that actually matters and gear up

Originally Posted by CrunkJuice5

you already can get conquest by not stepping foot in arena or random bgs.i guess you missed the patch where you can convert valor points to conquest

That's all fine and good unless you want to spend your Valor points on PVE items. Some people do like to play both PvE and PvP you know...

Conquest change is the best thing to happen to PvP in the last 2 expansions. I'm sorry but I'm not willing to roll a frost mage, feral druid, or resto shaman just to be competitive in arenas. QQ more elitists.

Shame about the VP changes. I can see it happen that a certain boss will once again only drop the crap nobody needs each week, leaving the desired items behind in the Nether for nobody to loot. And since there's no VP equivalent, seeing as they want to decrease the amount of items bought via VP, fat chance you'll be wearing the same item for months until that one upgrade from that one boss drops. Meh. To prove my point, our raidgroup (FL 10 HC 6/7) has seen 4 HC Rogue/DK/Mage/Druid tokens last week, and 4 HC Paladin/Priest/Warlock tokens the week before, and not a single HC Shaman/Hunter/Warrior token for the past few weeks. Heck, our DK has been vendoring HC tokens merely because he's already got 2 4/5 HC token sets (mainspec and offspec), and our Shaman is still wearing only 1/5 HC tier bits, cause it just won't drop. I fear the VP changes will only make the raidgroups with unfortunate RNG roll fall further and further behind gear-wise, just because the upgrades don't drop time and time again (and this time, there won't be a VP soother).

Originally Posted by CrunkJuice5

you already can get conquest by not stepping foot in arena or random bgs.i guess you missed the patch where you can convert valor points to conquest

He probably didn't like the idea of exchanging VP for PvP gear. Now, since he can get more by just BG'ing purely, he does not have to resort to that now.

Originally Posted by dizzzave

This blizzard post is such bullshit. There are a ton of valor items this time around.The real reason they are doing this is to drag out the amount of time that people will keep playing before they take a pre-MoP break. They don't want people getting geared, killing DW and the quitting until MoP comes out like people did with Wrath and Cataclysm.

oh look its another hater if your gonna hate on everything blizzard does please jsut crawl in a hole and shut up, PVP players get ahrdly anything in a expantion and as soon as we do whiney PVE types like come along go back to xbox you moron

Originally Posted by Summerdrake

So we won't get T13 with Valor, no...so we will have to hope against hope that 24 other people won't ninja...it will be like LFG tool...people from other servers, no community feeling and no respect for each other... also, what if I get saved after 1st boss n after people leave, what if later several try to make new raids, how will that work? Is the boss saved only per character so I could do raid again without locking other people outsa?

-People don't get saved until they kill bosses since 4.0, I really don't know on what planet you are living on. Plus, the LFR tool has different rules. You can kill a boss multiple times with no problem, but you can only have a shot at the loot on the first kill. So there's no saving, no locking, you just can't loot twice the same boss, that you win or not.

Won't 25 man be too difficult to get to work properly and people will only do 10 man?... 10 man is NOT raiding, it's like doing Vanilla UBRS or something..

-LFR is 25 only. And 10 is raiding, UBRS in vanilla was a raiding experience before people were all MC geared. Kara was raiding, ZA was raiding.

now go.

Originally Posted by CrunkJuice5

you already can get conquest by not stepping foot in arena or random bgs.i guess you missed the patch where you can convert valor points to conquest

Provided I may have not made it clear enough. The point was getting the cap purely through pvp means without using RBG's or Arena. Thought it was fairly clear, my bad.

Originally Posted by Alantor

Conquest points change SUCK. Do normal raid give heroic loot? ANOTHER SLAP IN THE FACE FOR PVPers... -.-"

PvPer strive for R1 / Glad and not gear.

Originally Posted by Magnadon

Shame about the VP changes. I can see it happen that a certain boss will once again only drop the crap nobody needs each week, leaving the desired items behind in the Nether for nobody to loot. And since there's no VP equivalent, seeing as they want to decrease the amount of items bought via VP, fat chance you'll be wearing the same item for months until that one upgrade from that one boss drops. Meh. To prove my point, our raidgroup (FL 10 HC 6/7) has seen 4 HC Rogue/DK/Mage/Druid tokens last week, and 4 HC Paladin/Priest/Warlock tokens the week before, and not a single HC Shaman/Hunter/Warrior token for the past few weeks. Heck, our DK has been vendoring HC tokens merely because he's already got 2 4/5 HC token sets (mainspec and offspec), and our Shaman is still wearing only 1/5 HC tier bits, cause it just won't drop. I fear the VP changes will only make the raidgroups with unfortunate RNG roll fall further and further behind gear-wise, just because the upgrades don't drop time and time again (and this time, there won't be a VP soother).

VP won't help you much once normal mode bosses are down. So HC loot will be random like it has been earlier.

Originally Posted by Gneisha

10 man raids are only easier in the sense that you don't need as many people to do one (obviously). A few fights are easier in 10 man as you have more room to maneuver. However, 25 mans are quite a bit more forgiving if you lose people. A lot of times in a 10 man raid, especially learning new fights, if you lose more than one person, it's a wipe. 25s can lose possibly up to 5 people and still kill a boss depending on who those people were and when they died during the fight.

This is bullshit.

If you went into the nuke phases on Ragnaros, Rhyolith, or Beth'tilac with a single DPS or healer down pre-nerf, it was a wipe. Same with Baleroc, one DPS dead meant you wouldn't make berserk (and would also throw off Torment rotations), and one healer dying would usually be a wipe because their stacks were reset even if they got a battle rez.

The only boss you could finish with 5 people dead was Alysrazor, as it's almost always a free kill if you make it to the second burn phase (if you even have a second).

Originally Posted by CrunkJuice5

maybe its because your a scrub that uses a pve spec and not because people are elitist.oh and nice rating in 2's LOL


plus orc is better racial wise then blood elf for a warrior

In your comments to this guy, you prove his elitist PoV.

there's a shitstorm on the horizon, I can feel it in me bones.