Dragon Soul Difficulty Change - Power of the Aspects to 10%

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Dragon Soul Difficulty Change - Power of the Aspects to 10%
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
During the scheduled server maintenance on the week of February 28, the “Power of the Aspects” spell will grow more powerful, reducing the health and damage dealt of all enemies in the Dragon Soul raid by 10%. This spell will grow progressively stronger over time to reduce the difficulty and make the encounters more accessible. The spell will affect both normal and Heroic difficulties, but it will not affect the Raid Finder difficulty.

Don’t need the help of the Dragon Aspects? The spell can be disabled by talking to Lord Afrasastrasz at the beginning of Dragon Soul.

We hope you continue to enjoy Dragon Soul, and that these changes encourage you to attempt a higher difficulty, or just keep pushing to down that next boss.

Blue Posts
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Dragon Soul Difficulty Reduction
MMO Champ JUST published a blog about how effective the 5% nerf was. As the graph indicates, progress is continuing at a healthy, linear rate. It hasn't leveled off. Why are you nerfing heroic mode, again? You explicitly told us that you would not continue with blind nerfs on auto pilot.
We're not "nerfing blindly." Keep in mind that, the debuff can be disabled. So if you and your Raid choose to do so, you can take on the encounter without it. We also explained our thought processes in the original announcement blog about the debuff here.

Despite arguments to the contrary, there is a choice involved here. You can choose to leave the debuff on or turn it off. If you're looking for the challenge that doing the raid gives you without the debuff and your raid group isn't interested in turning off the debuff, that is still a choice that is being made. No one is forcing that on anyone. If you personally feel forced, then it may be an option to find another group that is interested in the challenge of doing it without the debuff.

Meanwhile, the debuff affords those that want to progress a bit, who have experienced difficulty, more of a leg-up.

It's fine to disagree with us on this, but please make sure that you continue to do so in a constructive manner and refrain from starting flame wars or posting harassing/defamatory language toward posters in the thread. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

Dragon Soul Difficulty Reduction
And yes, maybe I'm a special snowflake who likes recognition. But I argue that the game is now somewhat built around recognition since achievements were added to the game.
We understand that there are players out there who do what they do for recognition and--dare I say it?--glory. Since we'll likely continue to use a model where we introduce a raid, then slowly remove roadblocks over time, there's a possibility that we could do something akin to adding a feat of strength for players who defeat an encounter in a non-debuffed incarnation, or possibly time-stamps on the armory raid progression section. At the very least, there are options on the table for the future. These aren't things we'll be able to do for Dragon Soul though.

Nobody is getting held up by 5% or 10% damage and health on bosses, they're getting held up by mechanics.
When a group is really close to taking down a boss, but just can't seem to manage it, a bump like this is sometimes enough to see them on to the next challenge. (Official Forums)

PTR Scheduled Maintenance 2/23/12
In addition to the maintenance going on today (2/22/12) the PTR realms will also be down tomorrow morning (2/23/12) from 5:00am-7:00am PST. (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)

War College - Strand of the Ancients
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
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Are you a veteran Gladiator with countless victories tallied? Are you new to World of Warcraft and striving to improve your PvP skills? In this weekly feature, we invite players of all skill levels to ask questions, share tips and tactics, and join a conversation dedicated to surviving and thriving in World of Warcraft PvP.

Don’t forget to up-vote forum posts that are on-topic and helpful!

This week, the topic of discussion is: Strand of the Ancients - Which strategies are most effective in Strand of the Ancients on offense and defense? What tips, tricks and tactics have you discovered? What common mistakes have you witnessed?

Join the War College forum thread here.
This article was originally published in forum thread: Dragon Soul Difficulty Change - Power of the Aspects to 10% started by Boubouille View original post
Published on 2012-02-22 05:02 PM
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  1. Lasher's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by CheeseDoodlez View Post
    are people actually genuine when they whine about the nerfs. It's been like this since forever. Is it just that you have to jump on the "cool bandwagon" to show others that you are so damn pro that you want all content unnerfed forever? I bet 90% of these whiners wont even get to kill DW heroic until they are decked in MoP gear. and the other 10% is elitist scum that hates seeing others accomplish something.
    It hasn't been like this " forever ".
    Heroic is not for everyone, so that has no relevance. I don't need to kill everything on heroic to be able to tell you that you're making my normal mode too easy.
  1. Blackbeast41's Avatar
    I don't get why people care if it's nerfed.
  1. ovamaestro's Avatar
    too soon??
  1. fangless's Avatar
    The blog post comments are fairly hilarious.

    "GG Game is for casuals!" says guild that is 6/8 normals.
    "This cheapens our hard work that now other players can kill heroic bosses!" says 2/8h guild.

    Generally, unless you're done with DS heroic modes, these nerfs are for you.
  1. mmoc6653dda655's Avatar
    Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
    Don’t need the help of the Dragon Aspects? The spell can be disabled by talking to Lord Afrasastrasz at the beginning of Dragon Soul.
    Typical Blizzard coercion disguised as a choice. Imagine going to a restaurant ordering a 3 course meal, and the restaurant has an offer whereby you get the last course free, or you can alternatively choose to buy it; only an idiot would do the latter, and that's what we're seeing here folks.
  1. Nnyco's Avatar
    many QQ's left side , handle it now!


    but really if you didnt killed 8/8hc now, you need the nerf.
    pretty simple
  1. MasterHamster's Avatar
    Loving the special snowflakes, despite knowing they can turn the buff off and do it the "right" way, they keep crying. It's as if they care about other people's progress. Do they? hmmmmmm
  1. Pottsy710's Avatar
    if you're in a "pro" guild, you've cleared it already... if you haven't cleared it yet, you obviously needed the nerf... i'm not in a "pro" guild... we need the nerf... pretty simple... and if you still stubbornly think for some reason you ARE pro and don't need the nerf despite not being 8/8 HM, you can turn it off...
  1. Blaschnack's Avatar
    Yay, faster farming ^^
  1. passetto's Avatar
    at what point do you think lfr will be harder than normal??
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pottsy710 View Post
    if you're in a "pro" guild, you've cleared it already... if you haven't cleared it yet, you obviously needed the nerf... i'm not in a "pro" guild... we need the nerf... pretty simple... and if you still stubbornly think for some reason you ARE pro and don't need the nerf despite not being 8/8 HM, you can turn it off...
    What is this tripe? No guild needs this buff, we were progressing, albeit slowly, without it. No one needs the buff, it's simply a case of playing better. Practise and getting better is what should be paramount, not, just want and we'll lower the bar for you, don't bother trying to achieve anything of worth, it won't matter.

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-22 at 05:46 PM ----------

    Quote Originally Posted by Kisho View Post
    Nerftacular. Well, more people seeing the content can't hurt!
    People saw the content with LFR, this isn't needed.
  1. mmoc69fd612cd0's Avatar
    sigh........
  1. Lasher's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    The blog post comments are fairly hilarious.

    "GG Game is for casuals!" says guild that is 6/8 normals.
    "This cheapens our hard work that now other players can kill heroic bosses!" says 2/8h guild.

    Generally, unless you're done with DS heroic modes, these nerfs are for you.
    Except the changes are neither wanted ( at least by some, most likely by the guys that made the comments you quoted ) nor warranted. Simply because I haven't killed something yet doesn't mean I want to have it easier, or have my accomplishment cheapened, because there's no way to distinguish between people that did it with or without the debuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    It's as if they care about other people's progress. Do they? hmmmmmm
    I do. I'll come right out and say it, I don't believe people should get the same gear I got, when the game made it easier for them. If you just want to see the content, you have LFR. If you want to play the game properly and earn better gear, you'll have to deserve it.
  1. Pottsy710's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shadowdream View Post
    What is this tripe? No guild needs this buff, we were progressing, albeit slowly, without it. No one needs the buff, it's simply a case of playing better. Practise and getting better is what should be paramount, not, just want and we'll lower the bar for you, don't bother trying to achieve anything of worth, it won't matter.

    ---------- Post added 2012-02-22 at 05:46 PM ----------



    People saw the content with LFR, this isn't needed.
    Then turn the buff off and keep progressing at your own pace... pretty simple...
  1. Marooned's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by fangless View Post
    The blog post comments are fairly hilarious.

    "GG Game is for casuals!" says guild that is 6/8 normals.
    "This cheapens our hard work that now other players can kill heroic bosses!" says 2/8h guild.

    Generally, unless you're done with DS heroic modes, these nerfs are for you.
    No, these nerfs are not for us. We've started raiding since like 3 weeks and doing 1 night raiding per week. We have progressed 6/8 by now, and we want the 2 remaining bosses still be a small challenge for our casual group. You don't get it, we are having fun while doing balanced encounters rather than having the content finished without any fun. So this is probably for those who have finished all heroic modes and just want to have easier time farming.
  1. Pottsy710's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lasher View Post
    Except the changes are neither wanted ( at least by some, most likely by the guys that made the comments you quoted ) nor warranted. Simply because I haven't killed something yet doesn't mean I want to have it easier, or have my accomplishment cheapened, because there's no way to distinguish between people that did it with or without the debuff.



    I do. I'll come right out and say it, I don't believe people should get the same gear I got, when the game made it easier for them. If you just want to see the content, you have LFR. If you want to play the game properly and earn better gear, you'll have to deserve it.
    So essentially what you're saying is you use this game as some sort of ego boost?
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by MasterHamster View Post
    Loving the special snowflakes, despite knowing they can turn the buff off and do it the "right" way, they keep crying. It's as if they care about other people's progress. Do they? hmmmmmm
    Quote Originally Posted by Pottsy710 View Post
    Then turn the buff off and keep progressing at your own pace... pretty simple...
    It's been shown time and again why you can't do this...

    If you do that, your guild is now at a huge disadvantage in server rankings, which everyone pays attention to when they're looking for a new guild. Turning this off will plummet your guild into obscurity all because you want to play the game the way it's meant to be played.

    It's an atrocious system and down right disgrace to MMO raid design imo.
  1. mmoc6653dda655's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pottsy710 View Post
    So essentially what you're saying is you use this game as some sort of ego boost?
    He's saying that their monthly fee entitles people to play the game on characters and servers of their choosing, nothing more, and that how well they progress and what they earn should be based solely on their own merit as a player.

    Seriously, this self-entitlement that people have these days is quite breath-taking.
  1. Ryme's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Pottsy710 View Post
    So essentially what you're saying is you use this game as some sort of ego boost?
    Isn't that why anyone buys a game? What makes a game fun is overcoming the challenge of it, it's why you rarely if ever see any successful games without a challenging aspect to them. Hell, even sandbox games offer challenge once you expand it enough.
  1. Domiku's Avatar
    This is awesome, Can't wait till its around 30% i enjoy a good quick easy raid 1 day a week. Playing wow any-more than 9hs a week is just not as fun as it once was for me now, nor is it really possible with my new born son. This change would mean more time with family and friends and more time to go out and have fun. Less time stuck inside all day going wipe on same boss on heroic mode .. Once you killed everything you dont really want to be struggling to kill the same damn thing each week the fun just not around any-more. So yeah, this is an awesome change just speeds things up a little.
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