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Patch 5.4 - Tier 16 Hunter Armor Set
Keep in mind that this is just a preview and the final set may be different!

Flex Difficulty Feedback
Flex difficulty needs more testing and feedback, so be sure to give it a try if you have time this weekend!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Many thanks for the excellent feedback thus far.

On Malkorok in particular, a bit more breathing room between the final Implosions and Breath wouldn't hurt (on Normal as well), and Blood Rage is actually doing more damage than it should be for our current Flexible tuning (a bug).

As for Flexible mode in general, we'll be reducing the overall difficulty relative to Normal across the board for our next PTR test. It's also quite possible (likely, even) that specific mechanics are overtuned on Normal as well, which will of course translate to excessive difficulty on Flexible as well -- we don't consider our Normal mode tuning final yet by any means.

I'd like to briefly clarify Flexible mode's target audience and what that means regarding how we tune the content: Flexible mode is primarily for roughly the audience served by 10-player Normal raiding in Wrath of the Lich King (10 Normal used to be a tier lower than 25 Normal). Not every guild that raids is a raiding guild, if that makes sense. I'd say that Flexible mode is for social groups that raid; Normal mode is for raiding guilds (and Heroic is for hardcore raiding guilds). That distinction consists of factors such as whether or not the group will ever recruit based on class needs, or remove someone based on performance (or even openly criticize them).

But a friends-and-family group is far from a ragtag pickup group. We're assuming that you have a leader running the show, are communicating, and are willing and able to coordinate a strategy and execute individual mechanics. Also, unlike Looking For Raid, which has a relatively flat difficulty level and which is designed to be successfully completed by all appropriately-geared players, Flexible mode entails progression. You'll learn and farm earlier fights to work your way up towards the more demanding ones deeper in the zone. A boss like Malkorok is Boss 9 of 14, and is generally designed as such. I'd compare him to bosses like Rotface or Festergut in Icecrown Citadel. Those certainly saw plenty of PUG action later in the 3.3 patch cycle, when the zone-wide Icecrown buff had ramped up a bit and the strategies were widely-known.

Now, will players form PUGs for Flexible Siege of Orgrimmar? Absolutely -- and we're excited at the prospect. But that's an organic process that will evolve over time, if we get the tuning right. I don't recall very many Trade chat PUGs waltzing into Icecrown Citadel in January 2010 and killing Festergut.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Legendary Cloak
In vanilla and every expansion before MoP we had legendary weapons to anticipate. Why isnt there any in MoP?
Weren't happy with the entitlement feel of DWrath and Fangs. If we do leg weapons again, we'd likely make them much rarer. (Source)
Either forget legendaries, or accept that people want OP items, and OP for some means unbalance so make it easy..
Legendary weapons are kind of OP by their nature. That's fine. Last few we just made it so every potential user could get. (Source)

I am thoroughly disappointed with the legendary being a cloak. All of this work throughout the xpac and we don't use it again.
What do you mean by "don't use it again?" (Source)
it disapp. me that now there's a leg. for everyone and it's a cloak thats shaped like a towel and clips models. Why no weapon?
We feel like we've done that a lot before. We want to keep things fresh. When rewards are too predictable they get boring. (Source)
Precedent is the problem. Ppl expected awesome weapons. Disappointed by dish towels (however awesome they may be)
Imagine the problems with this sentence: "I can easily predict what WoW will do next based on precedence." (Source)

Also is the proc. from the Tanking Cloaks working while in a DPS spec ?
No, you'll have to be a legit tank to benefit from the tank proc. (Source)

Why gate the new world boss using the legendary cape? Seems arbitrary and bad for alts.
I still struggle to understand wanting lots of alts but not having to play them as much as a main. Isn't that the point of an alt? (Source)

And yet you think about changing reforging or even removing it.
My experience is that most players just use an add on or website to tell them how to reforge. (Source)
It probably works the best for healers, since sufficient regen is a feel thing, not something you can dictate. (Source)

I do like reforging to make poor items (haste trink for fury war) easier to swallow. I don’t like it for hit/exp though.
Yeah, the cascades where getting one new item causes you to reforge all are the worst. (Source)
Do you think it's more of a hit/exp-as-a-capped-stat issue then?
Certainly part of it, but we also don't like all the work that has to go into a drop before it's ready to wear. (Source)
Aren't enchants and gems and valor upgrades (and maybe transmog) enough? (Source)

Characters / Items
how do you feel having Pandaren shared between both factions has worked out? Would you do the same if new races were added?
Not a fan of it overall. We just didn't want to deny anyone Pandaren. (Source)

Was creating a humam char yday, all faces look awful! Compared with mop/cata races... new models can't get here fast enough.
Yep. Pretty much. (Source)

Can you please explain to me why the tier sets for tier 16 look so bland and tasteless? & why season 14 rogue looks like plate
Response to tier art is so ridiculously subjective that I long ago gave up trying to understand player reaction to it. (Source)
The advice I gave before is provide feedback on the kind of designs you'd like to see for future tiers and not just shout BAD. (Source)

Is the current Challenge Mode gear still going to be attainable next exp, or will it go away for good??
Current plan is you can still try to obtain it since it scales your gear. Not 100% sure though. (Source)

Random question, Do you think you'll ever have (8) set bonuses again?
I think it's unlikely in PvE. I'm not a fan of players ignoring all pieces except tier sets. Makes loot less interesting. (Source)

What is your opinion on the fact that when everyone can get 'Epics' the term 'Epic' is cheapened.
I feel like some of that is just standard mudflation. Would earning your way from blues to epics feel the same after 9 years? (Source)

of course they can be, but blizz prefers to ignore the storage space issue. Be lucky to see a fix even next xpac.
We aren't ignoring it. We just don't believe near infinite storage is necessary. We don't like e.g. 100 slot bags. (Source)

PTR notes: RPPM proc rates for items that proc haste, wont benefit from haste to proc more?? huh?
The interaction of RPPM with haste made those mechanics more powerful than intended. (Source)
We had cases where RPPM trinkets were a 10%+ damage increase and situations where no non-RPPM trinket would ever compete. (Source)

Any chance of Void Storage ever having the deposit cost removed? That's why I never use it. Withdraw makes more sense.
Transmog was originally conceived as a way to wear older tier sets. It has grown into much more though. (Source)
Given that, we don't think the current UI necessarily supports the feature as well as it could. (Source)

Computers - Setup of the Month (by chaud)
Each month or every 2 months, depending on the hardware evolutions, the lovely chaud will work on a couple of hardware setups for those of you who are thinking of upgrading their computer!

This month
The current SSD prices are stable, with most SSDs under $1 per gigabyte when on sale.

The new Haswell CPUs from Intel are here and they run a little bit on the warmer side. Depending on how much you want to overclock, you may need to spend a bit more for a better CPU cooler like the NH-D14 or H90.

Unless you are doing a lot of video rendering or something that is similarly multithreaded, you do not need the 4770K and should spend that money elsewhere.

Make sure to keep your AMD and Nvidia drivers up to date.

Don't hesitate to post any feedback in the comments of that news post, and don't forget to visit the Computer Forum for any extra questions! If you are interested in [email protected], take a look in our team's thread.

ComponentPuppy Dolphin
MonitorAsus VS229H-P 21.5" LED IPS Monitor - $135ASUS VS248H-P 24-Inch Monitor - $170
KeyboardKensington Pro Fit Media Keyboard - $18Cyborg V.5 - $47
MouseLogitech G400 - $47Razer Deathadder - $50
SpeakersCreative A220 2.1 Speaker System - $26Logitech Z313 Speaker System - $36
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
MonitorASUS VE278Q 27-Inch - $260HP ZR2440W 24-inch - $370
KeyboardLogitech G510 - $90Razer BlackWidow (Backlit)- $60 ($121)
MouseLogitech G500 - $45Razer Naga (Buttons on the Side) - $70
SpeakersLogitech Z323 2.1 Speaker System - $59Logitech Speaker System Z523 - $70

Puppy and Dolphin
ComponentPuppy Dolphin
CaseNZXT Source 210 - $40NZXT Source 210 - $40
Power SupplyCorsair CX500 - $50XFX Core Edition PRO 550W - $50
CPUAMD FX-6300 - $125AMD FX-8320 - $145
HeatsinkCooler Master Hyper 212 Plus - $28Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - $33
MotherboardASUS M5A97 R2.0 - $100ASUS M5A99FX PRO - $120
MemoryKingston HyperX Blu 4GB 1333 - $358GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $70
Graphics CardXFX 7770 - $97ASUS 7870 2 GB or ASUS GTX 660 Ti - $200 / $199
Hard DriveWestern Digital Caviar Blue 500GB - $55Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB - $85
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22

Narwhal and Unicorn
All of these parts can be mixed and matched to create a build between Narwhal and Unicorn. SSDs are always optional.
ComponentNarwhal Unicorn
CaseCooler Master HAF 912 - $50Corsair Air 540 (Special Layout) - $140
Power SupplyCorsair 650TX V2 - $90Corsair 750HX - $110
CPUIntel i5-4670K - $219Intel i7-4770K - $330
HeatsinkThermaltake Frio - $57Noctua 6 NH-D14 - $77
MotherboardASUS Z87-A - $112ASUS Z87-PLUS - $165
Memory8GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $7016GB G.Skill DDR3 1600 - $137
Graphics CardMSI 7950 OR MSI N760 TF - $240 / $260MSI 7970 OR Gigabyte GTX 770 - $350 / $400
Hard DriveWestern Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85Western Digital 1TB Caviar Black - $85
SSDSAMSUNG 840 128GB (Review) - $98
Plextor 128 GB M5 Pro (Review) - $120
Corsair Neutron GTX 120GB (Review) - $125
SAMSUNG 840 Pro 128GB (Review) - $130
DVDAsus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22Asus 24X SATA DVD+/-RW - $22
Total$1043 - $1085$1492 - $1574

Weekly News Recap
Another busy week full of news, so here is your chance to catch up!

This article was originally published in forum thread: Tier 16 Hunter, Flex Difficulty Feedback, Blue Tweets, Setup of the Month, News Recap started by chaud View original post
Comments 92 Comments
  1. Acideyeliner's Avatar
    Dat T16 hunter double popped collar... *shudder*
  1. mpougatsa's Avatar
    another fail set
  1. Larwood's Avatar
    Anybody who buys a 660 Ti over a 7870 is literally just wasting their money. At that price point AMD is running rings around nVidia at the moment, until nVidia release a 7xx card to complete.
  1. Ilfayt's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Airwaves View Post
    What the hell is with teirs not matching the classes. Rogue looks like plate armor and hunter looks like a rogue teir...
    Well, the 'one eye' thing has been done in rogue tier already(Icecrown Citadel Rogue tier). The appearance is actually more 'paladin' like as far as 'light' and that platelike look to it.

    Edit: Personally, I don't mind it, I think it looks nice, and I think they were going for more of a 'sentinel' look. and if you really want to stretch the imagination....it's a big laser sight for shooting!....lol, I don't think that was intended though...
  1. Rolly's Avatar
    That set is laughably bad. IMO
  1. Airbag888's Avatar
    Wow, wtf is going on half the tier sets look horrendous and of course blizz is hiding behind 'subjectivity of taste'
  1. ohshift's Avatar
    Its a pretty tier, but not for a hunter. It doesn't look hunterish in the slightest
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Another horrible tier set. Setting up cash shop tier transmog confirmed.
  1. Maleagant's Avatar
    For fun I messed with the design a little mainly adding another eye and mirroring one of the shoulder pads along with a few tweaks.
  1. Skymane's Avatar
    As a hunter who constantly got buttfucked in the current expansion with disgusting sets that want me to bury myself and let the slow ravages of time decay my skin into the endless nothingness, i'd like to say thank you to blizzard for at least trying to fill up the sorrow feeling within me. This set looks very good, i'm very pleased what they've come out with and for once it's not a set designed only for those pandaren things. Bring it blizzard, thanks for making my day. Finally a set that can compete with other classes' looks.
  1. Bantokar's Avatar
    Why gate the new world boss using the legendary cape? Seems arbitrary and bad for alts.
    I still struggle to understand wanting lots of alts but not having to play them as much as a main. Isn't that the point of an alt? (Source)

    Then why all the catchup crap? Oh that´s right blues contradict themselves all the time.

    Yeah this feels like "we smashed pug raiding with shared lockouts because there was to much to do. Here is a million lockouts.

    Blues are clueless about the direction of their own game.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Larwood View Post
    Anybody who buys a 660 Ti over a 7870 is literally just wasting their money. At that price point AMD is running rings around nVidia at the moment, until nVidia release a 7xx card to complete.
    Well his setups are a horrible mismatch of "I get paid to promote this" and are actually pretty bad.
  1. Kaleredar's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    Another horrible tier set. Setting up cash shop tier transmog confirmed.
    Because when a new tier comes out, you can't possibly avoid wearing it's look. Gee, if there were only some magical system that let you change the look of armor pieces, perhaps into old sets that you might like more...

    If only such a powerful system existed that allowed people to not have to wear the most current tier of gear, and instead could wear an outfit you had previously assembled that you liked. I mean, people always say the old tiers were better... wouldn't it be great if there was some way to wear their look again...

    But as far as I know, no such system exists in game. So you're right, Blizzard is just bending people over their knee so they HAVE to buy whatever new gear set would come out on the cash shop, as there's simply no other way to wear a good looking set of armor.

    ...wait a second...
  1. Ophill's Avatar
    Blizzard giving hunters this set is like giving a little boy a barbie doll for Christmas. If the plays with it he'll look ridiculous. Yea he has other toys that he could play with that are older, but he really wanted something new and excited that was suited for him.
  1. Repefe's Avatar
    The hunter set is pity. The explanation for flex raiding difficulty is nice.
  1. Thiron's Avatar
    Lazerbeast. You call me Lazerbeast.
  1. Notos's Avatar
    I actually rather like the set, though imo it would look cooler as a plate set for pallies.
  1. Sainur's Avatar
    What a beautiful Tier, and it fits so well on a hunter.

  1. Declaron's Avatar
    I don't recall very many Trade chat PUGs waltzing into Icecrown Citadel in January 2010 and killing Festergut.
    Strange... Everyone else does.
  1. Acidyouth's Avatar
    Wow GG blizz........this hunter set suck..........wtf did we hunt to make this armor.
  1. stuartj1992's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Acidyouth View Post
    Wow GG blizz........this hunter set suck..........wtf did we hunt to make this armor.
    Wtf did you hunt to make T1, T3, T4, T7, T8, and T9 may I ask?

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