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Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button
Patch 5.4.7 adds a new shop button to the character selection screen, making the Level 90 Boost as the first character service that you can purchase in-game. Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.


Originally Posted by Taepsilum (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
I know that for those of you who are just not interested at all in the store, these changes might seem somewhat redundant or even a bit annoying. I get that, I really do.

But please understand that a lot of players do like to use the shop, and since this is a fairly new feature (the in-game version of the shop), we want to make sure that everyone is aware of its existence and that you don't actually have to tab out to a web browser to use it.

The buttons outside of the micro-menu exist mainly because the micro-menu is one of those parts of the interface that some addons and UI packs actually hide by default, and we want everyone to know about this new functionality.

I really don't think that this is being in any way obtrusive and/or preventing you from playing the game as you have been doing all along. Now, I do understand that some players might have some more philosophical reasons to dislike it, but I still think that some are just blowing this out of proportion. It's a small button that you can choose to use or to completely ignore, it's not a pop-up window that forces user-interaction with it.

Of course there is a fine line that we don't want to cross when it comes to the number and the positioning of any kind of button within the game, too few buttons or poorly positioned ones often leads to unused/unknown features, too many, and they can become redundant or annoying. I can see that some of you are of the opinion that anything over one button is already too much.

You can rest assured that we will forward all of your feedback to the proper channels, it's important to us that everyone knows about new functionalities but obviously we don't want to cause any discomfort to anyone while doing so.

Warlords of Draenor - PvP Toggle Changes
It looks like players that don't enjoy PvP might be getting an upgraded version of the PvP toggle in Warlords of Draenor!
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
This is very simple. PVP needs to be voluntary.
Well, I understand where you're coming from, but flagging as a PvE character is based on a player's action to flag themselves (even if it's on accident), so I'm not sure it's us making you PvP. The systems that can cause someone to flag can absolutely at times be involuntary, which is notably frustrating.

In any case we are continuing toward a goal of a PvP on/off toggle for players on PvE realms to be added in Warlords of Draenor, which would absolutely and in all situations allow someone to refrain from becoming flagged regardless of their actions. Heals toward flagged players would fail, coalescing to PvP realms wouldn't be possible, misclicks and AoE's would never damage a flagged opponent, etc. It's actually quite a bit of work because of all the systems involved, but it's still something we think PvE players should have, and how the game should work for them.

Patch 5.4.2 Hotfixes: January 29
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Creatures
  • Resolved an issue that could cause Ordos to be stuck in evade. For targets that Ordos cannot reach, he will now summon them to him.

Quests
  • Family Tree: Resolved an issue where Pandaren characters were unable to see their ancestors after lighting the Incense Bundle.

Blue Tweets
Originally Posted by Blizzard Entertainment
Classes
doing dps less than a dps spec I assume. If you can tank and dps at 100% why being a regular dps?
Yeah, Tank-specs should do less DPS than DPS-specs, so you don't just bring more Tanks. (Celestalon)
But Vengeance makes sure that not all tanks do that much DPS right?
Not in 6.0; Vengeance no longer affects DPS. (Celestalon)
What is it changed to again? Threat?
It's just the defensive side of what it does today. Will also do Threat if needed, but that's not likely. (Celestalon)
I am lost as to what you mean by that, I guess I will have to wait and find out...
Vengeance currently provides a buff that has both offensive and defensive value. We'll leave the def value, remove off value. (Celestalon)
Does that mean tanks are going to end up less-fun? A lot of the fun of tanking recently has come from vengeance.
Who can say if any specific change makes the game more or less fun for any given person. But no, it shouldn't. (Celestalon)
You're most likely not having fun because of Vengeance->DPS; rather because you do good damage, and the def gameplay is fun. (Celestalon)
Is the idea for Tanks to just more or less do (arbitrary number) 75% of the damage of a DPS all the time?
Yes. (Celestalon)

Are you guys happy with the current DPS rankings? Casters completely dominating melees in pretty much every SoO encounter.
Our data, and community data, heavily disagrees with that. Melee are more of a liability, which we hope to solve. (Celestalon)

OK, fair. When you and your crazy brain crew crunch data, do you do APM analyses? What does it mean to you guys in that context?
We do (abilities per sec), though it's more of something to just 'keep in mind'; we don't really balance around it at all. (Celestalon)
APS seems like a strange standard. Wouldn't most specs hover around 1?
No, not at all. Most don't have a 1sec GCD; spamming something on every GCD is not something we want most to do (OK for some). (Celestalon)
So WoD dev vision is that GCD locking is OK for some specs? Can you explain why you changed your minds on this?
This isn't a change; we're OK with a few specs explicitly designed to be GCD locked. It's desired by some players. (Celestalon)
There have been a few cases where we've decided that specs required too high of an APM (just in terms of raw button presses). (Celestalon)

Hunter (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Do you have plans to address Hunter's secondary stats value? (like Warrior's haste)
Those are not even remotely in the same ballpark. But yes, we want to raise their values. (Celestalon)

Paladin (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
You said we cannot switch in/out seal of faith while in combat. So could we still switch other seals in combat like SoT to SoJ?
Yes. That's expected if you take the other talent which gives you seal-twisting gameplay. (Celestalon)
So does the healing bonus stackable and dispelable?
Talking about Faith again? Faith would stacks, and would not be able to be dispelled. (Celestalon)
That sounds good. SRY one LAST question: Is there a cap stacks of Faith? IF YES, what number will it be?
We'd likely need to have a cap, but not one that you're expected to hit in normal gameplay. (Celestalon)

Priest (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Dedicated Holy Priests raiding heroic had a hard time the past years. Representation is down to 2-5%. Is this an issue to you?
It's a potential issue that is heavily clouded by the Disc issue. (Celestalon)
So you don't think it has anything to do with shortcomings with HPriest spec? Chakra reduces the usefullnes and lack of utility?
I think that if you re-read my tweet, you'll see that I didn't say that at all. (Celestalon)
Then what do you think HPriest shortcomings are?
We aren't ready to announce specific changes, but the shortcomings of Chakra have been heavily discussed. (Celestalon)

Rogue (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
Did you ever consider Shuriken Toss to be some Rotation/playstyle changing talent like alot of hybrids have nowadays?
Do you mean like if you take that talent, then you use that as your optimal rotation, even on Patchwerk? (Celestalon)

Shaman (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
was idly wondering what the odds are shamans can get a passive that makes 2H weapons competitive against DW. I miss the option.
We have no plans to bring back 2H Enhancement, currently. Not 100% out of the question for the future, but not right now. (Celestalon)

Warlock (Forums / Skills / Talent Calculator)
are you happy with results of Demo nerfs? Feel like it's struggling pve and pvp after imp damage and glyph nerf.uvls was enough
The community things the Demo nerfs were way more crippling than they were. There are still Demo locks doing very very high DPS. (Celestalon)
That's not to say that it hasn't ended up inferior to Affliction/Destruction in most situations; it has. But not underpowered. (Celestalon)

Reaper of Souls Collector's Edition
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This article was originally published in forum thread: Patch 5.4.7 - New Shop Button, WoD PvP Toggle, Jan 29 Hotfixes, Blue Tweets, RoS CE started by chaud View original post
Published on 2014-01-30 07:08 AM
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  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Tuhandyn View Post
    Oh man, such intrusion, a button you never have to look at, much less press, in your UI and now on your login screen that most of us won't ever do anything with because of the b.net client. Derrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrp.

    I can't politely state how stupid most of this criticism is. As for the level 90 boost, try using your brain for a second. You want to sell someone on the game, you already have to sell them the battle chest + two expansions (as of WoD, prior to them expanding the Chest). You have to sell them on a subscription, and then you're going to have to sell them on a significant time investment in order to level a character to 90.

    Now, imagine how much easier your sale would be if you could say, "If you don't mind spending a little extra money, you can level a character to within ten levels of the cap immediately and get right into the new content, and visit the old content later if you wish." Get it now? We aren't talking about buying level capped, geared character, we're talking about jumping straight to the new stuff. Get over it.
    Imagine how easier it would be to just have everyone start at 90 as default. Then new players wouldn't have to go through all that crap and nobody would have to be nickle and dimed f2p style in a p2p game. But you keep defending their greed, you must be a shareholder.

    As for the button. Sometimes a guildie will invite me to something on the calendar. There have been times where I've tried to just ignore it but that glowing question mark at the top right gets extremely annoying so I end up just going up and hitting decline. Like another poster here said, it won't be long until specials will be in the store and it will glow on and off till you click it. We all know it's coming.

    As for pay to win. There is no way to win this game. Pay to win is someone who has money having an advantage over someone who doesn't. Sub fees are supposed to make everyone equal. Someone who has more money and is able to skip 90 levels of content is having an advantage. That's a few weeks of resets to get gear, get legendary drops, get into a raid group etc. If they want people to skip all that content they should make it equal and remove it all. Rip off the Rift scaling feature and allow us to lower our levels and go back and do the content optionally if we want.
  1. McNeil's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Siddown View Post
    Exactly, because as we all know adding a button is an equal amount of work as creating a new complicated raid.
    It matters what we got at the end of the expansion, not how much it costed them
  1. Siddown's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Mkgego View Post
    " "Complicated" "

    1-2 new Super mega hard heroic scenarios would have been better than this crappy shop button...
    Yes, it would have been. But, a crappy shop button took one person 2 hours to implement. So your choice is actually Shop Button v No Shop Button, that's it.
  1. pixx4sixx's Avatar
    I'm not sure what the big deal with boosting 90's is.

    It is in no way Pay to Win. You are paying for a level 90, when the "winning" only starts to begin. I certainly did not "win" when I ding'd 90 on any of my 4 toons, it was more like I lost... many days of fresh air.

    I did "win" when I downed Garrosh though, or at least felt like I did. But that took time and certainly doesn't happen when you ding 90.

    Now if/when they decide to allow Pay 4 Gear... well then I'll hop on that hater-wagon you all seem to be mesmerized by.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by sheppo View Post
    they also didn't add any content at all.
    We're at least getting SOMETHING, and a PvP season.

    Ultimately if the time between the last content patch and the next expansion is shorter than Cata (long) and Wrather (Much longer) I say Blizz are doing something right. But of course, people like to complain about everything.
    Ruby Sanctum.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zirke View Post
    The developers designing and making in-game mounts and pets are probably not the same devs working on WoD. Also, the less content we have in MoP, the faster WoD will be released. Hopefully...
    Those are artists and programmers that could be working on WoD. They always remind us they only have a finite amount of resources. That if they choose to work on something then something else will be delayed. So when they have coders and artists working on cash shop crap that is taking resources away from WoD development. They can't pick and choose when to remind us of that.

    Quote Originally Posted by Keile View Post
    But to use your own metaphor against you:
    It wasn't a metaphor, it was an analogy. It was comparing the ability to speak up if you don't like what you're paying for. Think of any situation in life where you are not satisfied or find something wrong and you speak up or complain. How many of those are filled with white knight defenders jumping down your throat telling you to just take it? Only in video games are you not allowed to voice your opinion. It's quite amusing when you step back and look at it.
  1. Blueeagle's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Shudder View Post
    9 months of no content except for shop buttons and shop mounts.
    9 months......
    Correct me if I am mistaken, but it hasnt even been 6 months since the last major raid content update, which as SoO, which launched 9-10-13, which was just under 4 months ago.
  1. Kazuchika's Avatar
    Came here expecting stupid Shudder posts.
    Wasn't disappointed.

    Also an instance with 1 actual boss that dropped loot that wasn't even worthwhile for most raid groups who were already clearing ICC heroic isn't content.


    [infracted. no personal attacks please]
  1. mmoc1e4c5b7903's Avatar
    It is in no way Pay to Win.
    Is absolutely Pay to Win.

    On top of a subscription.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by frodoh View Post
    I'm not sure what the big deal with boosting 90's is.

    It is in no way Pay to Win. You are paying for a level 90, when the "winning" only starts to begin. I certainly did not "win" when I ding'd 90 on any of my 4 toons, it was more like I lost... many days of fresh air.

    I did "win" when I downed Garrosh though, or at least felt like I did. But that took time and certainly doesn't happen when you ding 90.

    Now if/when they decide to allow Pay 4 Gear... well then I'll hop on that hater-wagon you all seem to be mesmerized by.
    They already sell gear in the store. It has no stats so people said it's cool. So what happens when it has stats? The white knights will just keep making excuses saying stuff like "Well, it's not BIS so I have no issue with this." I'm looking forward to the excuses when it eventually does go to BIS. I'm sure they'll think of something like "Well, it's just two BIS pieces, when they start selling entire sets then I'll be mad".

    Quote Originally Posted by Blueeagle View Post
    9 months......
    Correct me if I am mistaken, but it hasnt even been 6 months since the last major raid content update, which as SoO, which launched 9-10-13, which was just under 4 months ago.
    We don't have a release date. We don't even have a beta. Saying 9 months is being very generous, I'm thinking it will be 11 or 12 months.
  1. Lamoot's Avatar
    Taepsilum responded to concerns of players upset over the addition of another shop button.
    Seriously, how the hell do people get UPSET over that? It's a damn button.... people are just looking for stuff to rage over these days. Shut up and play the game, or cancel your subscription, and uninstall it. Either way, no one wants to deal with you crying because they're adding a new button that has NOTHING to do with your game play.
  1. ComputerNerd's Avatar
    If people weren't so keen to hide the button, as some sort of personal victory then maybe blizzard would not need to add another.
    Ironic that the very thing people are whining about is a direct consequence of their actions.
  1. Roadblock's Avatar
    Sooo... let's see what kind of stuff Blizzard is preparing to put on the store.
    Let's browse the interface assets.
    I mean you wouldn't assign 20 icons to categories you don't intend to use right?
    https://github.com/Dridzt/WoW-Art-Store/
    Icon names:
    • category-icon-armor
    • category-icon-bag
    • category-icon-book
    • category-icon-clothes
    • category-icon-enchantscroll
    • category-icon-featured
    • category-icon-food
    • category-icon-free
    • category-icon-hot
    • category-icon-key
    • category-icon-misc
    • category-icon-mounts
    • category-icon-pets
    • category-icon-placeholder
    • category-icon-sale
    • category-icon-scroll
    • category-icon-services
    • category-icon-ticket
    • category-icon-toys
    • category-icon-weapons
    • category-icon-wow

    Enjoy your up and coming fullblown F2P-style itemshop in your subscription game.
    But don't mind me, keep spewing garbage about slippery slope fallacies.
  1. mmocf06effc4be's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Lamoot View Post
    Seriously, how the hell do people get UPSET over that? It's a damn button.... people are just looking for stuff to rage over these days. Shut up and play the game, or cancel your subscription, and uninstall it. Either way, no one wants to deal with you crying because they're adding a new button that has NOTHING to do with your game play.

    I wish i was as shortsighted as you. Here i am sitting, recognizing immediatly that the meaning behind that innocent and meaningless button is the subtle intention to enforce the presence of a cash shop where blizzard wants you to spend all your monies on unique art model mounts and pets and transmog loot despite of alrdy payinga subscription alrdy. Believe it or not, its gonna get worse.
  1. Shudder's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by ComputerNerd View Post
    If people weren't so keen to hide the button, as some sort of personal victory then maybe blizzard would not need to add another.
    Ironic that the very thing people are whining about is a direct consequence of their actions.
    What's ironic is the people that are hiding the button would never use it, which is why they're hiding it. So forcing them to see it does nothing.
  1. BatteredSausage's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Xivilai View Post
    The people's problem is that Blizz is implementing pay to win features in a game that charges $15 a month to play already.
    Please list these so called pay 2 win features you can purchase in the shop.
    Transmog helms? mounts pets? level 90 chars?!?!.....yep certainly all of them are pay 2 win clearly.

    Are you saying that when wod is out you can buy a level 90 boost and ding you have beaten the game?!? is that how it works???

    Threads like this should be used to demonstrate the intelligence of a small minded group of fuck tards to any unknowing victim that either visits these forums or decides to start playing wow for the first time.
  1. hobbsey's Avatar
    I must be behind on WoW news because last I heard it was just a free 90 included with the xpac.

    Leveling and questing should be at the core of the game and not some inconvenience to be run through as fast as possible. But in WoW, it just isn't: random time/location traveling in and out of xpacs meaning no cohesive story (this is single most annoying thing), terrible PvP balance, confusing old-style dungeons and raids, the new talent system not giving any interesting rewards each level, and none of the new content at max level being scaled down to lowbies (like proving grounds/brawlers guild). It's just hopelessly fucked. Let the new guys skip it if they want.
  1. Granyala's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by UnifiedDivide View Post
    Bingo! You just realised why it's hilarious that people are so bent out of shape over a button! 10 points to you!
    Well the one in the micro menu bugged me.
    Now it's gone via addon and I have the red question mark back.

    As long as the button on the login doesn't glow, blink, spew fireworks or makes my screen explode with 3D pop-ups, I doubt that I'll even notice it.
  1. BatteredSausage's Avatar
    Im actually starting to hope they do put items on the store that makes all these cock whiners leave the game, wow would be so much better without these scrubs.
  1. mmocb54112e783's Avatar
    I don't want to risk sounding like a whiny big baby but all of these shop buttons are nearing that straw on the camels back. F2P + shop = acceptable.

    Sub + shop shop shop = jesus christ almighty.
  1. Elegant's Avatar
    Let me get this straight, numerous people want MORE content to hold them over until WoD? What part about new content means greater DELAYS for the expansion do you people not understand? The part where it takes longer or the part where it takes longer? Adding in a shop button probably took hours and did not affect the expansion team at all.

    If I were to buy a level 90 I WOULD do it at the character screen. Button seems appropriate it's not as though it's cluttering the character screen, I barely look at the bottom left unless I have an addon that needs disabling (which I usually do in-game anyway). The button in the menu is somewhat useful, I personally disable the main interface so I can't access the feature if I wanted to. Not getting all the bitching, sounds like people wish they had money but instead of getting a job just spend their time crying instead.
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