Warlords of Draenor - Live Developer Q&A

I never knew what Lore looked like TBH, now that I do, he reminds me of Sideshow Bob.

Originally Posted by Mr Chaos

Just made it sound more mandatory to get a garrison to me. Dono about others but i plan on leveling the crap out my toons ASAP then instancing for kit buying out BOE from AH and doing Garrisons when i get free time if it is something forced on us.

Add that to this little gem - "NPCs that invade your garrison can attack buildings or walls, kidnap followers, or do other things using a new AI system." and i really hate the concept of Garrisons so far.

I really hope garrisons are not THAT big of a requirement to even play WoD. They were a desire of a certain percentage of players which i am not part of. This is a lame attempt to satisfy the player housing bunch while trying to convince the rest of us that it's not "player housing" or even a substitution for it.

I'm not against them, i just don't really want them to be as essential to the expansion as they seem to be. I'm a single hero, i'm not a commander of an army.

Originally Posted by freakyduck

Add that to this little gem - "NPCs that invade your garrison can attack buildings or walls, kidnap followers, or do other things using a new AI system." and i really hate the concept of Garrisons so far.

From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to.

Originally Posted by Rankin

From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to.

your forced in to atleast one before you can leave frostfire ridge you have to do the thunderlord invasion before you can do the battle for thunderpass

people thought we would see Mag? how? isn't he a giant corpse now?

Originally Posted by garfeeld

people thought we would see Mag? how? isn't he a giant corpse now?

No, Mannaroth is a giant corpse now...again..

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

your forced in to atleast one before you can leave frostfire ridge you have to do the thunderlord invasion before you can do the battle for thunderpass

forced forced forced... please stop crying about what you are forced to do... what is it you are forced to do ONE TIME? it is basically a quest.. one time.. you have to do a quest... one time.... you have to kill some mobs that are invading a quest area... one time....

Imagine if they gave you a quest.. you know, like probably 500 times in the past where you had to go into an area and kill a bunch of mobs... THAT IS ALL IT IS... it is a ´kill X monsters´ inside a phased area.....

Originally Posted by Azrile

forced forced forced... please stop crying about what you are forced to do... what is it you are forced to do ONE TIME? it is basically a quest.. one time.. you have to do a quest... one time.... you have to kill some mobs that are invading a quest area... one time....

Imagine if they gave you a quest.. you know, like probably 500 times in the past where you had to go into an area and kill a bunch of mobs... THAT IS ALL IT IS... it is a ´kill X monsters´ inside a phased area.....

myself like the majority would rather not have to deal with it at all yes its forced on you where as it shouldn't have to have a garrison scenario forced on you to complete a zone that has nothing to do with invasions.

and if you can't read what i replied to then don't bother to post your moronic comments. what i was replying to was


"From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to." which i replied your forced to its not an optional thing just like you are forced to have and use a garrison. at least pokiwow in MOP was optional. this is their "main" feature of the xpack and I can tell you now its not all its cracked up to be. they should have spent that wasted effort and time on the classes they are murdering and messing up beyond all belief rather then some halfassed garrison

Originally Posted by Mr Chaos

Gotta love how MMO-Champ is linking to streams that advertising selling gold! Heck even offering discounts on buying gold.

And they sell in game stuff for rl money Cms heroic gary kills you name it and blizzard knows and let it go on. WoW is pay to win period.

Ugh so the expansion legendary ring is confirmed. How boring.. What was wrong with the legendary item being exclusive?

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

myself like the majority would rather not have to deal with it at all yes its forced on you where as it shouldn't have to have a garrison scenario forced on you to complete a zone that has nothing to do with invasions.

and if you can't read what i replied to then don't bother to post your moronic comments. what i was replying to was


"From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to." which i replied your forced to its not an optional thing just like you are forced to have and use a garrison. at least pokiwow in MOP was optional. this is their "main" feature of the xpack and I can tell you now its not all its cracked up to be. they should have spent that wasted effort and time on the classes they are murdering and messing up beyond all belief rather then some halfassed garrison

You may as well just go GRIND MOBS to level to 100, because you're "forced" to do quests to level, huh? As with ANY zone, you're forced to do quests to lead to the next quests, having to do an invasion is absolutely no different and you would do it ANYWAY. You're leveling, it gives EXP, You're GOING to do it.

" Death Knights that are exalted with Knights of the Ebon Blade will be able to recruit all Death Knight guards for their garrison. " thx bliz !

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

your forced in to atleast one before you can leave frostfire ridge you have to do the thunderlord invasion before you can do the battle for thunderpass

Which you are not forced to do.

Originally Posted by Alexander Krizak

I believe they previously mentioned that daily cooldowns in Warlords are on a charge system, letting you build up three or five cooldowns to use in a row before you actually start losing them.

Ah, that would be good then I didn't think about that

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

myself like the majority would rather not have to deal with it at all yes its forced on you where as it shouldn't have to have a garrison scenario forced on you to complete a zone that has nothing to do with invasions.

and if you can't read what i replied to then don't bother to post your moronic comments. what i was replying to was


"From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to." which i replied your forced to its not an optional thing just like you are forced to have and use a garrison. at least pokiwow in MOP was optional. this is their "main" feature of the xpack and I can tell you now its not all its cracked up to be. they should have spent that wasted effort and time on the classes they are murdering and messing up beyond all belief rather then some halfassed garrison

Garrisons and invasions are no more forced than quests, dungeons and raids. Might as well stop doing it all together if "forced" content is what puts you off. And the invasion quests are not even forced, they are there as a side option.

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

myself like the majority would rather not have to deal with it at all yes its forced on you where as it shouldn't have to have a garrison scenario forced on you to complete a zone that has nothing to do with invasions.

You have no clue what the majority of people want. You aren't forced to do jack shit. One day when you grow up you'll find out that you are free to do (or not do) a lot of things. In this instance you are free to not participate in anything. If you tried to use what little grey matter you have you might actually start to think for yourself! It's liberating.

Originally Posted by MyndZero

You may as well just go GRIND MOBS to level to 100, because you're "forced" to do quests to level, huh? As with ANY zone, you're forced to do quests to lead to the next quests, having to do an invasion is absolutely no different and you would do it ANYWAY. You're leveling, it gives EXP, You're GOING to do it.

no because your not forced to do quests actually. as in they also gave pvp exp and many people actually level thru pvp oh and yes there's dungeons which once again give exp..... but in order to keep questing your forced to participate in the invasions losing potential followers. invasions are not oh look they are just throwing 400 mobs at us. its timed, there is waves, mini bosses and more slow downs then a old man driving on a freeway. so yes YOU ARE FORCED. Forced to do the invasion if you want to finish the zone and continue questing your forced in to their delusion of gimmicks of trying to make a sad game interesting instead of you know producing a half decent xpack where classes are completely screwed they focus their most of their attention on the gimmick of garrisons just like they did pokiwow.

maybe you should actually play the beta before speaking, or the game for that matter since you don't seem to comprehend how it actually works.

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Originally Posted by arcaneshot

Which you are not forced to do.

if you want to finish off frostfire you are if you want to continue in to other zones you are.

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Originally Posted by Marema

You have no clue what the majority of people want. You aren't forced to do jack shit. One day when you grow up you'll find out that you are free to do (or not do) a lot of things. In this instance you are free to not participate in anything. If you tried to use what little grey matter you have you might actually start to think for yourself! It's liberating.

your right playing the game is optional, but your wrong you are forced in to garrisons and you are FORCED in to the invasions. yes IN REAL life you can choose to be a complete troll on the web like you have so apparently pointed out about yourself. or you can leave comments after having actually played the beta and know exactly what your talking about as I have pointed out. but theres also things you are forced to do in real life too to take it the troll way for a second .
you Will Die that is definitely forced eh ? even in life you are forced in to things you don't want. That Doesn't make it fine to force things in video games.

Welcome to 10 garrison farm ... i start hating garrison so bad

Originally Posted by knightwarhawk

myself like the majority would rather not have to deal with it at all yes its forced on you where as it shouldn't have to have a garrison scenario forced on you to complete a zone that has nothing to do with invasions.

and if you can't read what i replied to then don't bother to post your moronic comments. what i was replying to was


"From what they've said before is that invasions are pretty much optional, they don't actually start until you want them to." which i replied your forced to its not an optional thing just like you are forced to have and use a garrison. at least pokiwow in MOP was optional. this is their "main" feature of the xpack and I can tell you now its not all its cracked up to be. they should have spent that wasted effort and time on the classes they are murdering and messing up beyond all belief rather then some halfassed garrison

Well you know one thing is ABSOLUTELY not forced on you....actually two things....1) you don't have to participate in WoD , since your comments make it seem like you are very displeased with the direction of it, and 2) you don't have to even keep playing WoW if blizzard's vision for their game sickens / upsets you.

I'm certainly not going to stand in your way if you want leave.

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Originally Posted by Hollowness

Welcome to 10 garrison farm ... i start hating garrison so bad

Some people keep making the farm comparison and yes its true blizzard themselves admitted the farm was the early testing ground for something like garrisons.

But say the garrison is just a bigger farm is like saying a Ferrari is just another sports car. Their foundations may have similarities (being that say a Ford Mustang GT and a Ferrari are both cars....they both have engines, four wheels , etc. etc.) but when you delve further into them there's much more being offered in terms of performance and handling in the Ferrari than in a common Mustang GT. Just like the farm vs the garrison argument, the comparison ends with foundation and the phasing tech . The garrison offers *FAR* more than the farm..i hated the farm I thought it was stupid to be quite honest.

But garrisons.....that look awesome (at least for alliance) .... and I get a host of benefits with it...including benefits of accessing professions my character doesn't even have?

sign me up.

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Originally Posted by Thereaperszone

And they sell in game stuff for rl money Cms heroic gary kills you name it and blizzard knows and let it go on. WoW is pay to win period.

Its not pay to win in the traditional sense....though I'll be honest and say I'm not so confident I can defend blizzard in the future based on the road they seem to be heading down with the advent of purchasable 90 level character boosts. right now any pay to win is not driven by official blizzard means...its the players themselves that are creating that "pay to win service" its not sanctioned or provided by blizzard.

To say in counter to that "well they aren't stopping it from happening now are they?".....I understand your frustration (I think the same - I personally think its lame that its getting so common place these days that people will sell you services to more or less play your character for you -- on stormrage they offer ROUTINE and DAILY....full carries of any high end raid content, just select/single boss kills, people sell profession kits, people sell specific achievements, people are even selling services that they will level your battle pets to lvl 25 for you...) but again that's the players not blizzard....what can blizzard really do to stop that?

The only control they could do would be COMPLETELY revamp the entire monetary system and the rules for what currencies can be traded among players.

Such a system would be more complicated and time consuming to implement than designing a whole expansion.

So really what I'm saying is I agree with you, but don't take your anger out on blizzard....blame the famed wonderful "wow community" they are the ones doing it.

Never mind how hypocritical all this is.....one message in gen chat hacks on people that don't have the ilvl or the achievement to join their "HARDCORE LEGIT RAID" (how its advertised in chat) .....

But two lines down in the same chat some other guild is saying "Buy your raid achieves here" or "Selling full carries -- HEROIC....get your ilvl up the easy way . we do all the work!".....

I mean how can this go on and yet people still have the nards in blizzard forums to hack on people not being skilled raiders or geared or whatever? Does no one else see the hypocrisy but me on this issue?

the more I read about garrisons the less i'm looking forward to them. 2 weeks after I completed the farm - very early on in mop - I left it to rot. haven't been back there in nearly 2 years now. I don't mind things like this for peeps who enjoy maintaining such areas, but having it integrated so intrinsically into the overall game is absolutely depressing.