Patch 6.0.3 Hotfixes - January 27, Blue Posts

Ashran so needs an overhaul. I don't see how adding the 30 min pause is going to help.

awesome, but level one characters don't need mounts... well... maybe the orcs do... that zone is massive compared to others.

ugh... dislike ashran changes... It made farming it much easier. I mean after waiting to get in for three hours I don't want to fight for the rewards.

Originally Posted by SpriggsTheWarrior

awesome, but level one characters don't need mounts... well... maybe the orcs do... that zone is massive compared to others.

i bet u never leveled a human

The ashran change isn't going to work, when alliance moves on to side horde will kill alliance boss and they will swap after. There may be even less reason to PVP in ashran now as both sides will be able to run a specific cycle and get more conquest/hour than they are able to get now.

Ashran change is fail....

Queue longer to get in... AFK for 30 mins.... Kill boss.... Leave....

I really really cannot stand that the ring is a fishing reward. Especially since a lot of players who do it are not going after the ring.

leveling a human was so much easier, everything is centralized around goldshire, then you get a mount to the other half of the zone, not that bad.

I'm starting to realize - they won't make any big changes in Ashran. They'll just try to salvage it by enforcing rules with negative impact over everyone.

Originally Posted by pankind

The ashran change isn't going to work, when alliance moves on to side horde will kill alliance boss and they will swap after. There may be even less reason to PVP in ashran now as both sides will be able to run a specific cycle and get more conquest/hour than they are able to get now.

The lockout is for both sides. If the alliance kills the horde leader, the horde have to wait 30 mins for the central battle to start up again.

In essence, when the middle battle is up both factions will (should want to) do it. And when one of the leaders gets killed, both factions will do events.

It works fine.

I personally like the Ashran change. The ultimate goal is to have a battle with the opposing faction. Not necessarily to get conquest cap(which the only real way to fix that is to remove the Ashran requirement for Conquest cap), gear up alts quickly, or a chance for the Alliance to get a 660 piece.

This will definitely add some fun battles, but we all can agree that it really just needs basic updates.
-Interactive Maps, I have put at least 40 hours into Ashran, and I still have no idea what each area on the road is called. Let alone which one is being contested.
-Auto grouping, and perhaps without a raid leader, or someone who has certain Ashran achievements has a higher priority on lead.
-Balanced and removal of anti-fun mechanics: Most people stand in "Groot's" root and die. 15 Hunters Barraging. A dragon. A knock-up to your death. There are infinite stalling mechanics to make the 4 hour push to their base null.
-Less choke points. I'm sorry but AV failed because of the bridge, which is why most fights took place in the center. Change the bridge, make it wider, remove it altogether.
-Climbable terrain. At least more paths, and less blockades.
-The graveyard, if I have to run back to my base one more time from the center of the map...
-Nerf on the NPC damage, gladiators are fine. But a single axe can wipe an entire raid because the width of it is the size of the bridge.

There's a lot more, but these are just simple quality of life changes.

No one likes a stalled game for 4 hours anymore, and the only PvP that happens is melee afking while the range barrage and blizzard. This change to the events might encourage more mounting into battle than slow and steady turtle pushes.

Edit: As far as the Gladiator change goes, we need more changes like this. World PvP was killed by NPC Guards. Less guards, more pvp.

No Swapblaster in BGs = kick to the nuts...

30 min pause won't be enough, because there's no similarly significant pause on events. On my server, alliance "farm" main road, and horde "farm" events. The few times alliance groups do form to try an event, they're wiped off the map because horde are already there, and in greater numbers.

After doing main road event alliance will now have to regroup, go to a side event late (horde will already be there), wipe at the event, be scattered (half of the raid still fighting at the event), lose the next event as well, and slowly slug back to main road. If you're lucky, there will be 2 events at roughly the same time and win one of them. There WILL be a bit more PVP than before. But from the horde's perspective: they will still never do main road. They just won't. They're plenty happy farming events and that won't change.

Originally Posted by Leaf4Prez

I personally like the Ashran change. The ultimate goal is to have a battle with the opposing faction. Not necessarily to get conquest cap(which the only real way to fix that is to remove the Ashran requirement for Conquest cap), gear up alts quickly, or a chance for the Alliance to get a 660 piece.

This will definitely add some fun battles, but we all can agree that it really just needs basic updates.
-Interactive Maps, I have put at least 40 hours into Ashran, and I still have no idea what each area on the road is called. Let alone which one is being contested.
-Auto grouping, and perhaps without a raid leader, or someone who has certain Ashran achievements has a higher priority on lead.
-Balanced and removal of anti-fun mechanics: Most people stand in "Groot's" root and die. 15 Hunters Barraging. A dragon. A knock-up to your death. There are infinite stalling mechanics to make the 4 hour push to their base null.
-Less choke points. I'm sorry but AV failed because of the bridge, which is why most fights took place in the center. Change the bridge, make it wider, remove it altogether.
-Climbable terrain. At least more paths, and less blockades.
-The graveyard, if I have to run back to my base one more time from the center of the map...
-Nerf on the NPC damage, gladiators are fine. But a single axe can wipe an entire raid because the width of it is the size of the bridge.

There's a lot more, but these are just simple quality of life changes.

No one likes a stalled game for 4 hours anymore, and the only PvP that happens is melee afking while the range barrage and blizzard. This change to the events might encourage more mounting into battle than slow and steady turtle pushes.

Edit: As far as the Gladiator change goes, we need more changes like this. World PvP was killed by NPC Guards. Less guards, more pvp.

Sweet shit this, I couldn't agree more. Not only that, It's nice to actually see some proper critique on the MMOC forums ><

I would also like to know if you have to have all the Garrosh heirlooms for the level 1 mount.

Originally Posted by karmlol

30 min pause won't be enough, because there's no similarly significant pause on events. On my server, alliance "farm" main road, and horde "farm" events. The few times alliance groups do form to try an event, they're wiped off the map because horde are already there, and in greater numbers.

After doing main road event alliance will now have to regroup, go to a side event late (horde will already be there), wipe at the event, be scattered (half of the raid still fighting at the event), lose the next event as well, and slowly slug back to main road. If you're lucky, there will be 2 events at roughly the same time and win one of them. There WILL be a bit more PVP than before. But from the horde's perspective: they will still never do main road. They just won't. They're plenty happy farming events and that won't change.

That is exactly what I see here too. Alliance takes main raid, horde the events. When alliance killed the horde leader then half of them leave and the rest has to regroup and run to events where 100% of the horde are already waiting. That ends up with an alliance defeat almost every single time....and after the first defeat they do not even really try anymore.

I don't see any new serious incentive for the horde to go main road now. Yes, maybe they gonna be a bit more challenged at the events...but as long as 90% of the horde run events and 90% of the alliance run main road it does not help if 10% swap from main road to events and vice versa(they get beaten anyway and then return to their old task again). You'd have to have everyone change their mind at the same time to cause a serious change to the meta...and that ain't going to happen without serious incentives.

Originally Posted by Laylriana

I would also like to know if you have to have all the Garrosh heirlooms for the level 1 mount.

The answer to that one is a big fat "NO". Getting those heirlooms was purely luck based and hardly anyone has them all. Not to mention that you can't optain them anymore. Given that people already complain about the fishing thing(which is easy to get if you got 2 or 3 friends), this would make people freak out...;-)

lol, ashran change just makes things harder for the faction that is outnumbered

please fire holinka, ffs

Originally Posted by Laylriana

I would also like to know if you have to have all the Garrosh heirlooms for the level 1 mount.

So far the achievements are for 1, 5, 15 and 35 heirlooms. There's about 38, not including rings or Garrosh weapons, so I'd wager 35 would be the one that gives the mount.

Ideally this change would make alliance actually do events but since no one reads the fucking changes alliance will continue to send wave after wave of morons to get wiped by gladiators and horde will keep laughing while they farm events and conquest cap in an hour.

I've tried explaining it in a calm way to a general chat on alliance but all of them just want to farm main road. And even when we get INSIDE their base none of the fucking horde are there because guess what? THEYRE DOING EVENTS FFS. Alliance will literally sit in their base for 20 or so minutes just to wait for volrath to spawn and then do it all over again. For fuck sake, this is a change for the better but I know damn well alliance isnt going to change their ways.

What?! 30 min Ashran reset.. Why? Why? Why?
Now it takes even longer to do.
30 minute minimum queue first, possible 1 hour queue and then almost everytime 30 minute reset timer on top of that.
It take literally less than a minute to kill the boss so the reset timer is always on..

So 1-2 hours of waiting just to cap daily box, why?
How does that help the loosing faction?
Or the winning faction, doing the side events is pointless if you're the winning faction since you can cap conquest just by doing the boss everyday once, getting those extra cq points from events is pointless cause they go over cap, that you'll be doing anyway for epic item chance from the box.

I don't see the point in capping conquest within an hour for the week, cause i'll be doing the boss for the epic chance anyway, that's just waste of overspill cq points.

And pvp? Joke, there's no pvp in Ashran, only people capping cq and epic box.
There's no pvp in random bgs, only geared people annihilating beginners and less geared.
Only pvp happens in rated and wargames.

so only thing this change achieved was that it made people waste their time inside Ashran base instead of Stormshield or garrison.