Mythic +24 Eye of Azshara, Patch 7.2 - New Tabards, Blue Posts, TESO: Morrowind

Originally Posted by Bathory

I dunno how the blues put up with these children every day.

It's their job. Although blues have been broken before. Remember Tseric?

I am an uber-casual, and even I remember coming across the class hall set and thinking "oh. Uhh...huh."

The set simply isn't good enough to be gated as it is. You should be buying pieces of it AS you get to 110 (with the last one as you ding), or be able to get ALL of it at 110 in a couple of days. Between WQs and dungeons (not even mythics, even heroics) it just is rendered obsolete so quickly. Exalted with Nightfallen? Revered with multiple reps? Get out of here with that crap. lol

Gotta agree: bad design.

Also, the hunter set is fugly as sin. Why are the artists so good at making plate, marginally good at making cloth, and abso-frickin-terrible at making mail sets...? OHMAHGERSH SPIKES EVERYWHURRR It honestly feels like they can make a couple neat designs and then they just phone the rest in (monk, shaman, also...yikes).

"Hey guys our game is kind of a mess right now what should we do?"

"Why not upgrade order hall sets"

"YOU'RE A GENIUS"

Man that trailer is hype

Reading the blue response on the Order Hall gear is down right disgusting. Is Blizz really this oblivious?

They are really driving home the point that casual player really find this set useful. I find that incredibly difficult to believe, to the point I have no problems saying that it is a lie. It is crytsal clear this stuff is useless but they insist the opposite. So disconnected from the community its sad.

I doubt there is a single player who upon getting Exalted with Nightfallen bought and used the shoulders as a useable piece.

MoP- Wahhhh blizz is oblivious, putting good gear behind rep

Legion - Wahhhh blizz is oblivious, putting useless gear behind rep

Seriously instead of bitching it's useless, how about bitching for catchup for reps like in MoP so when you get it maybe it won't be useless.

Originally Posted by Him of Many Faces

what is the % damage/health increase on 24?

+10 = +100%
+15 = +200%
+20 = +300% i think?

Making a calculation based off of parjesh's health on mythic+0 and on mythic+24, it looks like it's about 585% of base health and damage. Then, in addition, the trash has an extra 40% damage and 20% health, so the trash packs are doing 820% damage and have 700% health.

I don't honestly understand how this can be possible.

The order hall set is fine, just the requirements to get it are outside of the intended audience (players that are so casual that they barely run HC 5men).

Running 8 dungeons = totally fine. 2 revered factions = already edge case because of low playing time of intended audience. 100k AM = no. Exalted Nightfallen = wtf? In the time needed to get the set you already have better stuff from world quests.

is TES:O Free to Play or do you need to buy in (base game plus appropriate expansions) to play it?

I'm not sure even Morrowind could save TES:O

Originally Posted by Eleccybubb

It's their job. Although blues have been broken before. Remember Tseric?

Ahhh yes RIP Tseric.

The Class Hall pieces should have been what you got at the end of completing a Legion zone. Plain and simple.

Why gate pieces behind Rep that you'll still be working on fairly well into Level 110? Looking at you, Class Hall Shoulders.

If I'm going to work to get any kind of gear and grind for it, I'll grind dungeons/heroics/LFR/mythics and pick up gear already way, way better than the CH stuff.

Originally Posted by Master Higuchi

You're being unnecessarily toxic while not making an argument.

The set bonuses clearly imply that the set's intention is to make open world content easier. The set really adds no benefit to m+ or raiding environments. And imo, it shouldn't. It's there when you hit max level to get some gear for doing relatively simple things. The outlier being the shoulders, which you don't need if you have the rest of the set anyway. Of course I still think rep should be account-wide to make alts less bothersome to play, but that's besides the point.

Other than that the only reason is transmog, which if you do your emissary quests you will have the shoulders in due time anyway.

The shoulders and a few other parts, like revered with 2 factions. Remember that you only get rep from WQs.

By the time you get it, you'll have things way better than those just from the WQs/Emissary boxes. And they will acomplish the same objective (or even better) of making open world content easier.

The set is far from "introductory". They should never be anything more than honored/class hall quest line/all the dungeons you could do while leveling. They're not meant to be a reward from your full commitment (like they're now). Blizzard seems really lost at their own game since the requirements for the set means you'll get better stuff. If you take into account the amount of resources to upgrade to 840 at least the pieces you would use for the full set bonus, it's even worse.

My last alt at 110, I had to try really hard to get the set while it was still worth. And failed since I could get 835+ from WQs, 835+ from Emissary caches, 860 from WBs (which is a WQ btw) and the normal/warforged/titanforged gear from the dungeons (to meet one of the requirements) while trying the requirements. It's really weird to ask people to do dungeons when they say that the set is for someone who does not step into dungeons after hitting 110, only doing WQs and being really casual (would take some time to get that one behind the AP requirement).

If, instead of the 800 pieces for each PoC we take back to Dalaran, we got the set pieces, (finishing the zone + the main quest), with the helm (or even shoulders) being the reward to finish the class hall quest at 110. All of which, at 110, I could upgrade to 810/820/830/840 with the resources, with maybe the 810/820 coming from some kind of emissary token (from the caches), that would be really good design for what they say they want to achieve. The current one is really bad at it's intended purpose.

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Originally Posted by Spacewalrus2010

The only thing I do when I login to one of my alts is do emissary and nightfallen WQs, I have still yet to find a shoulder piece that is 850 and I am fine with that. I don't plan on doing dungeons or raids on that toon. I'm halfway through revered on that toon, and the shoulders will be an upgrade most likely.

This is one of the purposes of class order hall sets. There are people, like myself, who simply enjoy doing outdoor content, and not dungeons/raids/pvp anymore.

Man, sorry, but it's really hard to believe that after so much time (it takes some time to reach exalted with Nightfallen at extreme casual play as you say), you didn't get a similar shoulder. Way too many chances for the warforged system to proc.

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Originally Posted by det

Those are not really THAT popular in Germany.

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Does his point stand? Does he indeed have a "solid" argument? He insists that every part of gear should be available when HE thinks it helps him. Blizzard replies "it is not the intention".

Would you understand it if they said "Yes, class Hall shoulders will often just be interesting for a transmog completionists and we are fully OK with it"

Sure, it leaves your opinion of "badly implemented" and I would share that sentiment. Especially as long as this rep is not account wide. But at the end of the day it is a design choice you disagree with. Doesn't make it a solid argument.

And I don't even see where you could interpret Blizzard supports " support players that herp derps and doesnt know how to gear up efficiently and optimally"?

You hit 110, you do dungeons and raids and WQs, you get better gear right away. What does it matter that you will be skipping the Class Hall shoulders?

Actually almost the entire set. The shoulders would be the hardest ones to skip that fast (because of their ilvl), but the rest that you would need to spend a ton of resources to even compete with the rewards from the content they're designed for?

The argument is solid because Blizzard in the end says that it is for people that don't do anything other than WQs and it's an "introductory" set. The design fails at both since WQs rewards better gear without the gating/resources and something introductory, we would need as a starting point, not at a middle/end point.

I think that the amount of effort required for the set completely makes the set nearly useless, even when it was fresh.

While ilvl is the obvious issue, I'd say that it should simply grant stronger "open world" passive buffs than it already gives out to be more balanced with its requirements/gating.

The Class Order Hall sets would be acceptable (as being totally useless) if it didnt cost 40k OR to get them to max ilvl.

That cost in OR is not justified at all and completely ruins the idea.

Originally Posted by Scroolooseuk

Morrowind looks fab. It's great to see an MMO apart from WoW doing an actual expansion rather than just a "large content update". Good expansions are rare these days.

Yeah, I cant stop thinking it is also so "politically correct": female and minority hunting for privileged old white male. Way to go, Bethesda. Go get those crackers.

The set is pretty fucking useless atm. By the time you meet the requirements, it's obsolete, even at 860.

Originally Posted by FireVoodoo

Yeah, I cant stop thinking it is also so "politically correct": female and minority hunting for privileged old white male. Way to go, Bethesda. Go get those crackers.

What you talking about? What's so "politically correct" in having your party being female and male, maybe they are married. OK Warden is a new class, but I am sure it will not be a minority because many players will play a new class.

Originally Posted by Dhru

Another pure example how developers cannot understand their own game.. "Again, the purpose of this set is not to be an answer to not raiding. 860 will keep you afloat, and should be acceptable to get into normal modes for most 7.0-7.1.5 raids" Every f*** group asks the base ilvl what the raid drops or more... with 860 you cannot even get invite into normal mythics nowadays.

I wonder how do those who payed the sub for ESO feel when they see this trailer? Mostly all of their money went into the trailer not into the game once again. They try TO MILK THeIR FAN BASE SO MUCH.

Make your own group, then.

Mindblowing, i know.

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Originally Posted by Hiram

Don't get why blizzard hasn't learned from MoP to now, making "justice gear" completely garbage did them no favor. Yet they continue to introduce new systems with the same useless gear - very sad.

They literally say the audience is not everyone.

How can the public be so dense, that even when you spell out the entire answer - They STILL don't understand?

Originally Posted by SinR

is TES:O Free to Play or do you need to buy in (base game plus appropriate expansions) to play it?

I'm not sure even Morrowind could save TES:O

ESO is buy to play. You have to buy the base game, but you don't need a sub to play. You do need to buy the individual dlc that come out if you want to experience that specific content, although they are free if you have a sub.

I see the dev stupidity has hit onryx now