Method World First Mythic Jaina Kill

this explains it all:

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Originally Posted by VexxedFox

So much ignorance.

Avatar took more attempts.
Kil'Jaeden took almost twice the amount of attempts.

Not saying they should have plowed through it, but that it shows that they went through the content faster than previous raids content.

But people hated M Kil'jaedan. And they hated all the stacking, one screw up/DC wipe mechanics in ToS.
Every end boss doesn't have to require more attempts and more days to measure up to your notion of "game is easy now".

Quite bizarre how people who don't even participate in the world first race attempt to comment on it with authority regarding how the race "should be".

Originally Posted by VexxedFox

Gratz to them, but I worry that this raid must have been too easy if they were able to plow through it like so.

Edit: Forgot how much people ride Blizz's dick with raiding and bosses. Next time ask Method for a reach around while you champion them. In case you forgot, Kil'Jaeden took far longer and had almost double the wipes to clear or did selective memory come into place? Hell, Avatar took even more attempts than she did sooooo......

Kil'Jaeden was a huge mess of a boss, badly tuned and super bugged. You shouldn't use him as a reference.
On the subject of Jaina, this tier was different because no "gearcheck" boss and azerite vendor+craft made it so that every single raider in Method's comp could have access to full 415 azerite gear, making ilvl far less of an issue.

Well I'm amused lol

Originally Posted by Accendor

Are you kidding me? I turned in like 2 hours ago and they were at around 350 tries at that point. Like srsly, the most prepared guild (except maybe Limit) on this planed, who has multiple nearly perfect equipped characters for this challenge and who prepared for this the last 3 months needed OVER 350 tries to kill her.

That does not show that the raid is too easy, that shows that Jaina is way overtuned.

I dunno, it's Mythic. It's meant to be the be-all end-all of raiding, right? If it takes the best person months and hundreds of tries, maybe that's the way it should be...? /shrug

Originally Posted by Dakhath

Congratulations to Method. My favorite part of these mythic races is when all the Europeans come out of the woodwork to claim some sort of superiority over everyone else despite not being involved whatsoever.

Yeah because that wouldn't the americans do, notoriously known for their deluded idea of being better than everyone else?
If anyone, the USA are the guys that, and I quote, "claim some sort of superiority over everyone"!

Originally Posted by Alphatorg

1) even if Jaina is hard the rest of the raid can still be undertuned
2) they killed her with a Zerg strat and one ID worth of loot, other guilds will have weeks of mythic loot in their bags by the time they get kill tries on her. If undergeared + Zerg strat = success, then there is a high chance that the encounter will be too easy when guilds get there with "normal" gear or better.

I agree that seeing a zerg strat successful on week 1 is a bit disappointing.
Though as I said, I don't think a WF kill has been that close to "fully geared" since a very long time.
They're 406.6 ilvl average, with everybody having 415 azerite armor.

Originally Posted by VexxedFox

So much ignorance.

Avatar took more attempts.
Kil'Jaeden took almost twice the amount of attempts.

Not saying they should have plowed through it, but that it shows that they went through the content faster than previous raids content.

KJ was drastically overturned and had unfair mechanics that actually made goblin racial nearly required lol. and avatar required stacking rogues.... we should never use those fights as standards for difficukty.

A fight that requires you to stand in one corner and then requires you to be at the other side if the platform one second later isn't fair.

Originally Posted by Villager720

But people hated M Kil'jaedan. And they hated all the stacking, one screw up/DC wipe mechanics in ToS.
Every end boss doesn't have to require more attempts and more days to measure up to your notion of "game is easy now".

Quite bizarre how people who don't even participate in the world first race attempt to comment on it with authority regarding how the race "should be".

The standard on here when I said that it seemed a tad too easy (undergeared and able to clear it in one reset) was that "DEY TOOK 350 ATTEMPTS! IT WASN'T EASY!" thus I noted that other raids took far longer with more attempts.

Now I love that the reply is "well people hated that fight."

But I guess since I don't do world first I can't comment, just like if I don't do any plumbing I can't comment that the pipes are still clogged after I pay.

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Originally Posted by GreenJesus

KJ was drastically overturned and had unfair mechanics that actually made goblin racial nearly required lol. and avatar required stacking rogues.... we should never use those fights as standards for difficukty.

A fight that requires you to stand in one corner and then requires you to be at the other side if the platform one second later isn't fair.

Heroic Ragnaros, over 500 wipes.....

If you're going to complain about movement needed then you obviously haven't seen what the Jaina fight involves.

I'm surprised, to be honest. An advantage in time isn't a guaranteed measure towards success but it does provide further insight in to the mechanics of the fight as well as being able to formulate a strategy especially if there's even slight gear disparity.

Originally Posted by cface

Salt on first page, gz

Let's just have a double portion of salt, shall we?

LUL LIMIT

First to ghuun

First to the mage

Still world 2nd

Imagine the rage

Originally Posted by EternalBany

LUL LIMIT

First to ghuun

First to the mage

Still world 2nd

Imagine the rage

Lol yeh.. I guess their limit is killing the last boss.

Originally Posted by Dawon

Yeah because that wouldn't the americans do, notoriously known for their deluded idea of being better than everyone else?
If anyone, the USA are the guys that, and I quote, "claim some sort of superiority over everyone"!

Nice how you use your ”moral superiority” to judge Americans and their perceived superiority. It's as if you forgot that Europeans invented it and exported it to the states. People can be such hypocrites sometimes.

Dayum gz Method.
@Limit lmao xDxDxDxD Try getting even more gear next time, that will fix it.

Might as well scrap the World First race and hand the award to Method by default the moment a raid is released. At least then the dumbasses on this site won't get so anal about it.

Originally Posted by Deathpath

There goes limit, disappointing illidan again. Looks like they reached their limit.

Pretty sure their Guild is called "This game is bad" now. Though I think "This Guild sucks balls" is a more fitting name.

Originally Posted by Senen

I agree that seeing a zerg strat successful on week 1 is a bit disappointing.
Though as I said, I don't think a WF kill has been that close to "fully geared" since a very long time.
They're 406.6 ilvl average, with everybody having 415 azerite armor.

406.6 is still 8.4 ilvl below what the raid drops baseline, so there is plenty of room to grow. Scrubbusters, who I would imagine didn't go as excessively on BoEs and grinding, are 406.27 according to wowprogress.

Will wonder if there will be a "World first classic Ragnaros kill"

Is this even feasible?

Originally Posted by Darkguyver2020

Pretty sure their Guild is called "This game is bad" now.

That was just while they were on Alliance side scrounging that oh so important gearz. But yeh the game is so bad they won it easily xDxD

Originally Posted by VexxedFox

So much ignorance.

Avatar took more attempts.
Kil'Jaeden took almost twice the amount of attempts.

Not saying they should have plowed through it, but that it shows that they went through the content faster than previous raids content.

Your original post:

Gratz to them, but I worry that this raid must have been too easy if they were able to plow through it like so.

I'm not arguing about previous content, I'm arguing that this wasn't as easily as 'plowing through it'. But now you're backpedaling on that statement I guess?

But just for the sake of it, Nighthold (7.1 vs 8.1) took 11 days total and 248 attempts to kill Gul'dan. Blackhand lived 10 days. Xavius died within the first day. The list goes on, there are way more bosses with attempts that were about the same or less than outliers like Kil'jaeden. Previous raids content is either on pair or easier than Jaina, actually.

So yeah, I'd say you's was a pretty fucking ignorant reply.