Patch 8.2.5 PTR - War Campaign Conclusion, Show Final Destination, Worgen Portraits

"Thrilling Conclusion"

Thank fucking god this shit storyline is over with.

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on a different and "I just thought of that" note, what has Blizzard done with regards to the Vol'jin storyline

Is the average WOW player actually that dumb that they need another handholding like "Show Travel Route" feature

Originally Posted by monkaW

Is the average WOW player actually that dumb that they need another handholding like "Show Travel Route" feature

Clearly not since they got feedback saying players wanted to be able to turn it off and are thus adding such a function...?

But maybe you're right, WoW players are not average human beings like all the rest, clearly, because that makes sense... As if the game somehow ever catered to rocket scientists.

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Originally Posted by Accendor

Only problem is that only the war campaign is relevant

I'd say the N'zoth storyline is far more relevant to me than the same old faction crap.

Originally Posted by Musta

I just think they already moved on. No war story in 8.3 is wierd at least.

I dunno for some reason you all seem to forget the planet is dying, void lords trying to break through the sunwell, Nzoth was just freed, but yea that petty little squabble between 2 factions that dont even represent a 10th of Azeroths' sentient races surely means its all over.

Originally Posted by Doffen

Hmmmmmmm

Didn't the Shadowland leak, the good one say that 8.3 will come very shortly before next expansion because of the big changes to the story and world? If BfAs story as in War Campaign is done in 8.2.5, that could incline that there might be something to it. If the story in 8.3 really belong to the next expansion so to speak.


Or there is just a "thrilling" end to it. Take your pick I guess.

That leak also said the final raid .3 would be in Stormwind. If the war campaign is over in 8.2.5 seems unlikely 8.3 will focus on the Faction War at all

Originally Posted by EternalBany

damn that quest log
the antithesis to classic wow
why dont they play the game for us while they are at it

You might be able to get some meaningful content done if they did.

Originally Posted by Kyphael

Thrilling conclusion? Does that mean no 8.3 or 8.3 will have nothing to do with the faction war? Or just conclusion to the war campaign QUESTLINE?

Probably they are ditching the war campaign questline to save money, time or effort for the 8.3. Besides probably the leaders spotlight is finished and they would want to focus back in the monster of the week formula or give some build up for the shadowlands/next expansion theme.

Cross faction play please

THANK GOD THE WAR CAMPAIGN IS ENDING. Literally THE singular worst story I've seen in any mmo that I've ever played. ESO, Swtor, Guild wars 2, Ultima online, Warhammer online, wildstar. NONE of those games did a story even approaching the level of badness that is the AvH conflict of BFA.

Originally Posted by Musta

I just think they already moved on. No war story in 8.3 is wierd at least.

Only if you see BfA as a faction war expansion which as soon as it was announced a lot of people said "bullshit it's old gods"


8.3 likely has the rise of the black empire

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Originally Posted by Maxrokur

Probably they are ditching the war campaign questline to save money, time or effort for the 8.3. Besides probably the leaders spotlight is finished and they would want to focus back in the monster of the week formula or give some build up for the shadowlands/next expansion theme.

Did you see BfA as an actual faction conflict expansion??

Originally Posted by Ilyiana

i’m not gonna lie-I know this is unlikely but I so immensely hope that there was an 8.3 and they’ve cancelled it to pull the plug on BFA and blow 9.0 out faster.

that said, if the war campaign ends, we have ZERO ideas for 8.3. the one compliment bfa story gets is that it kept everyone guessing.

Well it means N'zoth us 8.3.

Originally Posted by Queen of Hamsters

Clearly not since they got feedback saying players wanted to be able to turn it off and are thus adding such a function...?

But maybe you're right, WoW players are not average human beings like all the rest, clearly, because that makes sense... As if the game somehow ever catered to rocket scientists.

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I'd say the N'zoth storyline is far more relevant to me than the same old faction crap.

Storylines in BfA

Bwonsamdi
Drust
Dragonflights
Magni
Old gods


I never thought for a second that the faction conflict was anything more than a plot device to help make other plots develop....guess I was right

Originally Posted by zantheus1993

Did you see BfA as an actual faction conflict expansion??

Yes, most of the content were about the war. The foul war campaign, the whole intro scenario, the invasions, most of the WQ in the other continent was about "sabotaging", a raid dedicated to that and every cinematic and npc voiced lines were about the war, etc. I know the old gods and their followers has an important role like in Cataclysm but their influence isn't the main thread compared to the current one.

Originally Posted by zantheus1993

Only if you see BfA as a faction war expansion which as soon as it was announced a lot of people said "bullshit it's old gods"


8.3 likely has the rise of the black empire

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Did you see BfA as an actual faction conflict expansion??

OFC its not about the war. Its about blizzard's shame and lack of direction and design and effort and so many things.

Originally Posted by zantheus1993

Only if you see BfA as a faction war expansion which as soon as it was announced a lot of people said "bullshit it's old gods"


8.3 likely has the rise of the black empire

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Did you see BfA as an actual faction conflict expansion??

How was BFA NOT an actual faction conflict expansion? It started off with teldrassil and under city. We went to zandalar/broken isles to further our faction conflict. The war campaign was the faction conflict. The world quests involved faction conflict with sabotage and invasions. The BoD raid was faction conflict. The intro to Nazjatar started by alliance chasing horde ships. Are you trolling?

How was that idiot in Blizzard who made that stupid "take a portal to X..." thing?

Originally Posted by gutnbrg

havent logged in since classic came out, how goes retail for everyone?

Better than Classic for sure.

Originally Posted by Maxrokur

Yes, most of the content were about the war. The foul war campaign, the whole intro scenario, the invasions, most of the WQ in the other continent was about "sabotaging", a raid dedicated to that and every cinematic and npc voiced lines were about the war, etc. I know the old gods and their followers has an important role like in Cataclysm but their influence isn't the main thread compared to the current one.

I want you to think back and look at mists of pandaria where overall the feel to it was dealing with the shah and then the thunder game and then right there at the end it was the faction conflict now I want you to think of the current expansion so the first few things that we've had to do were faction conflict like that's been the uniting story that's been the great Arc but none of the zones were really about the faction conflict at least from the alliance side we had one's own about the drust another about the Naga and old God and the third zone was kind of a mix but it was more about an internal conflict in the actual faction conflict

And then we move on to yes the war campaign was about the faction conflict but really other than that in a few throw away quests in stormsong there wasn't really much to go on story-wise we did have one raid based around the conflict but we have had every other raid about something else

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Originally Posted by GreenJesus

How was BFA NOT an actual faction conflict expansion? It started off with teldrassil and under city. We went to zandalar/broken isles to further our faction conflict. The war campaign was the faction conflict. The world quests involved faction conflict with sabotage and invasions. The BoD raid was faction conflict. The intro to Nazjatar started by alliance chasing horde ships. Are you trolling?

No I'm not actually if you look at the grand theme of the expansion yeah it's about a faction war but if you look at it the faction conflict has just been kind of linear yeah they added invasions and you have some World quests about it but you have just as many about dealing with old gods turtles and Naga

Think back to mists of pandaria that had just an overarching story of like discovering pandaria discovering the shop and stuff like that while we're on the way back not really brought forward until the end of the expansion was the fact that this entire time the warchief was going nucking futs and it ended on that

I mean you take out the war campaign and you have maybe seven or eight different possibilities for a main theme just by leveling

I'm actually really pissed because from the alliance perspective we have no idea why we went into the first raid and again it's just thinking about this expansion as a faction war is like thinking about it as a PVP expansion yeah sure it's there and it shoved in your face but how important to everything really was it

Originally Posted by Xemioza

Cross faction play please

Maybe in 15 more years.

8.2.5 will likley be the final patch for bfa, they've clearly given up on trying to salvage it and will save N'zoth for the next expansion, the setup for "all eyes will be opened" is also too big a setup for a .3 patch unless its sylvanas vs anduin and they wrap up the alliance/horde war for good.

I think they're releasing 8.2.5 as a final patch for BFA, and they will move onto 9.0 in order to make up for lost time "earlier" than usual possibly pushing it for a december/january release date in order to make up for BFA.

8.3 is possible but if one had to wait for 8.3 till january and people assume classic alone is gonna keep the ship sailing they are wrong, classic will die out within the next 2 months when people realize theres nothing to do they cant already do in retail.

Classic is a superficial bandaid to a bigger problem, they need to start releasing more frequent patches and stop caring if raiders need 77 days to get content done or not and just "make content" for other people, not just the raiding community.

I for one, would be fine with an "entire" patch with no new raid tier, a 4 hour long story with lots more voice acting/char development and a few mogs, maybe 1 new dungeon.

Episodic patches would be more interesting anyway, they'd make the game feel more alive and ongoing rather than "Everything is tied to the raid so we cant continue until the next raid is being made" infact, get rid of raiding/story association completley and make raiding its own thing, you'd benefit the game immensiely since the devs would be able to make raids side content rather than main content, giving them more development into the games story/lore and thus more persistant patches.

I for one would be fine having 9.9 before moving into 10.0 if it meant that all the patches had some depth and purpose to them, not just a raiding patch.

Example:

You could have 9.1 and 9.1.5 focus on a single raid in 9.1 followed by a QoL addition in 9.1.5 such as a new allied race, then 9.2 and 9.3 could be story related, releasing in intervals between the next patch, 9.4 could be a new raid, 9.4.5 being a new QoL feature, then 9.5 9.6 being more story agian and 9.7+9.7.5 being another raid, with 9.8 and 9.9 being patches designed to bridge the gaps between this expansion and the next.