Fix for Repeat Instance Bug Exploit
Recently, Blizzard made a hotfix and blue post about a layering exploit in WoW Classic dungeons and raids.
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
We’ve recently become aware of a bug that could be exploited to allow instanced encounters to be completed repeatedly. We have developed a fix for the issue, and we are in the process of deploying it worldwide.

Realm restarts are scheduled for 3:00 a.m. PDT (6:00 a.m. EDT) in order to apply this fix.

As soon as possible, we will identify those who knowingly abused this bug in exploitative manner. We will then take appropriate punitive measures.

As a reminder, Blizzard’s End User License Agreement defines cheats as “methods not expressly authorized by Blizzard, influencing and/or facilitating the gameplay, including exploits of any in-game bugs, and thereby granting you and/or any other user an advantage over other players not using such methods.”

As always, thank you for your feedback on this matter.

Blizzard Clarification on Punishments Coming for Layering Exploit
Originally Posted by Blizzard (Blue Tracker / Official Forums)
Soooooo since I’m seeing a lot of confusion (here and elsewhere), here’s some insight into how we draw the line between what makes something a punishable exploit versus a “happy little accident.”

The key factor here is intent. Did the player do something with the specific intention of causing a glitch to occur, and did they do it order to exploit said glitch for their own benefit?

This recent glitch makes a pretty clean example. The players who were abusing it had to do some Very Weird Stuff to cause it to occur, and then did so repeatedly. No reasonable person would expect that this behavior was intended, and the players involved had to go out of their way to cause it. It’s obviously unintended, it’s obviously a glitch, and the people who abused it were obviously exploiting said glitch for their own benefit. That’s pretty open and shut.

Someone mentioned Esfand’s random MC reset in this thread, which is a pretty clean example of the other end of the spectrum. In that case, they just turned up to raid and the instance had been reset. They didn’t do anything intentional to cause it or go looking for reproduction steps so they could abuse it - in fact, they reported it to us and didn’t continue until they got confirmation that it was out of their control (and that we wouldn’t consider it an exploit if they cleared).

Side note for the curious: that was a completely separate bug that has existed since 2004, and actually happened several times back then, it just wasn’t being broadcast to thousands of viewers at the time.

Obviously, neither situation is ideal - we try our best to provide a fair playing field for everyone - but there’s a pretty massive difference between “the instance is reset and we don’t know why” and “if we do this One Weird Trick we can infinitely farm this dungeon boss.” That’s the key factor that turns something from an accident into an exploit.

This ended up being longer than I expected so I’ll wrap it up with one last caveat: there is a lot of context and nuance that goes into these situations, and they’re not usually as cut and dry as these two examples. We end up making a lot of judgement calls based on the specifics of each exploit as well as their overall impact on the game (the phrase “clever use of game mechanics” originally came from one such convoluted situation). These two cases just happen to be pretty obvious.
This article was originally published in forum thread: WoW Classic Layering Dungeon Exploit and Punishment Clarification started by Stoy View original post
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  1. trapmaster's Avatar
    Vanilla didn't have layering system and ur telling me classic must have layering system and you didn't foresight it will be abused to hell? Nothing to see here, just bunch of monkeys
  1. Biomega's Avatar
    How exactly is this "Blizzard Clarification on Punishments Coming for Layering Exploit" when it literally says nothing about the punishments?

    If this ends up another "you are a bad boy!" 72h ban situation for someone who farmed 5,000g by killing Baron Rivendare 200 times, then nothing is solved. It just means the old maxim of "exploit early and often" continues to hold true, because the punishments are disproportionally weak.

    The people who did this simply need to be permanently banned. End of story. They said it themselves: this was not a "happy little accident". These people knew what they were doing.
  1. trapmaster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    How exactly is this "Blizzard Clarification on Punishments Coming for Layering Exploit" when it literally says nothing about the punishments?

    If this ends up another "you are a bad boy!" 72h ban situation for someone who farmed 5,000g by killing Baron Rivendare 200 times, then nothing is solved. It just means the old maxim of "exploit early and often" continues to hold true, because the punishments are disproportionally weak.

    The people who did this simply need to be permanently banned. End of story. They said it themselves: this was not a "happy little accident". These people knew what they were doing.
    Permanently ban is an excellent way but 72 hours is a HUGE LAUGH at customer's face be like *EYEROLL* "THE BEST YOU CAN DO BLIZZARD?!?! HAR HAR EZ GG RETARD BLIZZARD!"
  1. Vampyr78's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Biomega View Post
    How exactly is this "Blizzard Clarification on Punishments Coming for Layering Exploit" when it literally says nothing about the punishments?

    If this ends up another "you are a bad boy!" 72h ban situation for someone who farmed 5,000g by killing Baron Rivendare 200 times, then nothing is solved. It just means the old maxim of "exploit early and often" continues to hold true, because the punishments are disproportionally weak.

    The people who did this simply need to be permanently banned. End of story. They said it themselves: this was not a "happy little accident". These people knew what they were doing.
    The clarification is not about how the punishement will look like. It's just a clarification why there will be a punishment and what qualifies as bannable exploit. It was a reposne to topic on the forums where some people argued that it's their right to exploit bugs for their benefits or something.

    As for punishements according to reddit they are mostly 1 month ban plus they take away the stuff you farmed. I also saw a screenshot of 1 year ban so the length might vary depending on how much you did it.
  1. Grimbolt's Avatar
    A picture posted on reddit shows someone got 1 month and the items removed. Talk about a soft penalty for exploiting.

    Now truth be told the story said nothing about how often he did so it could be once, twice or a billion times. I just still think a month timeout and items removed is extremely soft.
  1. GMZohar1's Avatar
    Everyone but streamers will get punished
  1. SinR's Avatar
    Let the Banhammers fall
  1. tangers58's Avatar
    Seems like a situation that could have easily been avoided by simple competence
  1. Racthoh's Avatar
    Anyone else think Esfand knew exactly what his group was doing? lol
  1. ONCHEhap's Avatar
    It's sad that this had to be clarified,but even sadder that a lot of people will still try to blame the exploiting on Blizzard
  1. RaZz0r's Avatar
    I just hope the punishment is more then just a temp ban there needs to be a gear / item and gold roll back for it to have any real impact.
    I have seen way to many players with 2x t2 form abusing the bug in mc and onyxia the market is also flooded by rare raid and dungeon recipes.
    There is also a questionable amount of people that already have there epic mounts already.
    If nothing is done the market and server economy will be screwed for pretty much forever and it will encourage people to abuse exploits when they can and the gains will be permanent for a temporarily punishment.

    Its like letting a a robber who stole millions keep all the money after hes done in prison is juts makes no sense.
  1. dipzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by GMZohar1 View Post
    Everyone but streamers will get punished
    Wasn't wrong, esfand and asmongold did it on stream and got a pass, others got 30days
  1. trapmaster's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dipzz View Post
    Wasn't wrong, esfand and asmongold did it on stream and got a pass, others got 30days
    That's pretty fucked up favoritism right there...
  1. Daemos daemonium's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by dipzz View Post
    Wasn't wrong, esfand and asmongold did it on stream and got a pass, others got 30days
    Quote Originally Posted by trapmaster View Post
    That's pretty fucked up favoritism right there...
    Blizzard directly commented on esfand.

    Someone mentioned Esfand’s random MC reset in this thread, which is a pretty clean example of the other end of the spectrum. In that case, they just turned up to raid and the instance had been reset. They didn’t do anything intentional to cause it or go looking for reproduction steps so they could abuse it - in fact, they reported it to us and didn’t continue until they got confirmation that it was out of their control (and that we wouldn’t consider it an exploit if they cleared).
  1. otaXephon's Avatar
    ...and the internet's never-sated justice boner throbs again.

    I swear to fucking God, some people in this community wouldn't be happy if Blizzard publicly executed, by way of guillotine, anybody who ever exploited. It's fucking weird, and I never understood people's fascination with punishments for these kinds of things.
  1. pinkz's Avatar
    layering in classic, exploits on streams was done since day pre-zero on the betas and streamed. blizzard now sorta uses the streamer excuse [B]Side note for the curious: that was a completely separate bug that has existed since 2004, and actually happened several times back then, it just wasn’t being broadcast to thousands of viewers at the time.[/extended B] blizzard blew off the layering issues even though streamed, until it was openly revealed last week, it extended into raids and dungeons.

    - players who used the 10 man dungeon XP boost even on streams...said XP was not right at the start, pressed on. layering dungeons with 10 mans for serious fast leveling, was being done within first days of launch. many did it off streams, more popular streamers where on their VODs,wondering how others were infinitely doing SM, ZF, etc dungeons when players were in the 30-50+ zone at classic launch, yet they were being locked out after 5 runs. some even on streams, started experimenting (INTENTIONALLY). then when they found out how some used used it on and off stream, then talking about it next day on stream when viewers noticed the level jump. some said what they did layering wise, others just said they leveled off stream, but would slip when talking, forget, revealing the hopping.
    - WF 60 on stream, layer hopping was shown on stream, lesser known WOW player until he hit around 58 his stream exploded to 300K views by the time he hit 60. the hopping was intentional, not accidental, i would say, someone at blizzard was watching. this player BTW, leveled a mage on a unauthorized server which was prior to classic set up to emulate classic wow based on Beta and predownload, he leveled a mage in 2 days 7 hours about 10 days prior to classic launch. he was talked to about it, but it was blown off as...well that was a unauthorized server.
    - WF classic rag were smart enough no to stream parts of what they did
    - player who streams outside of twitch, did show layer hopping to black lotus farm. yeah only 6-8 a hour, but...not possible without layering he utilized
  1. dipzz's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Daemos daemonium View Post
    Blizzard directly commented on esfand.


    OOOOOOOOOOOH that makes it ok then, Ahhhh the ol' We didn't know and reported it so it's ok.

    Nihilum on lady Vashj says hi
  1. Railander's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by trapmaster View Post
    Vanilla didn't have layering system and ur telling me classic must have layering system and you didn't foresight it will be abused to hell? Nothing to see here, just bunch of monkeys
    you do realize layering isn't even supposed to work in instances, right?
  1. AlmightyGerkin's Avatar
    Layering is not cheating. It is a surprise advantage
  1. Ozyorkbourne's Avatar
    Quote Originally Posted by Racthoh View Post
    Anyone else think Esfand knew exactly what his group was doing? lol
    You mean the thing that the blue post clarifies as a completely unrelated and known bug that's been in the game since 2004 but just wasn't broadcast? No, I wouldn't take that bet actually.

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