Bosses Can Fire Hot Workers For Being 'Irresistible': All-Male Court

[Elegiac]

Depends on what 'outside of the USA' means. I'm pretty sure the same laws exist in many countries throughout the world.

Many tinpot countries. Most of the western first world countries do not have at-will termination employment contracts.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

You cannot be fired for dressing inappropriately in Germany unless there is a relevant clause in the work contract. You cannot be fired for "being irresistible" unless the offended party can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were sexually harassed.

[Elegiac]

You cannot be fired for dressing inappropriately in Germany unless there is a relevant clause in the work contract. You cannot be fired for "being irresistible" unless the offended party can prove beyond reasonable doubt that they were sexually harassed.

Exactly. So pretty much the answer is to write more thorough employment contracts.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

Exactly. So pretty much the answer is to write more thorough employment contracts.

Or force employers to write more thorough employment contracts through legislation. Because without that level of force they'll continue firing for such frivolous reasons.

[Elegiac]

Or force employers to write more thorough employment contracts through legislation. Because without that level of force they'll continue firing for such frivolous reasons.

If McCarthy has taught me anything, that's socialism. :P

[Adam Jensen]

This doesn't go far enough.

Employers should be allowed to force women to wear burkas.

[Rukentuts]

This doesn't go far enough.

Employers should be allowed to force women to wear burkas.

There was actually legal action here not long ago because an employer was trying to ban burkas from his factory due to safety concerns. The women wear them out of some religious belief.

Edit: I was wrong, it wasn't a burka; but the African equivalent.

[Elegiac]

There was actually legal action here not long ago because an employer was trying to ban burkas from his factory due to safety concerns. The women wear them out of some religious belief.

I remember reading about that. Hell, I don't even think workers should be permitted x holiday just because they have a certain religion - unless it's part of their contract, of course.

[fizzbob]

Any form of employment entails a contract, even minimum wage workers.



Even under Affirmative Action the candidate is still required to meet the minimum qualifications for a given position.

Thank you Miss Rand, but there are those of us who do like seeing our civilization being, well, civilized.

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'Should' is a term that in discourse means 'would be better if'.

I favor employee-focused labor protections, not employer focused.

you still don't understand. most workers have never seen/signed/been protected by a contract of any kind. they're just not common in any country. ask for one and they'll find the next desperate person who isn't so damn obnoxious.

as for affirmative action, if there is a black guy that meets the minimum requirements, and a white guy who meets them but has 10 years experience, a great work history and wants to work for the same amount of money.....you hire the black guy to meet your minority quota.

it's not possible to force fairness on people. they won't let the white supremacist's business fail with his white-only workers who he's good buds with because they're terrified as fuck that he won't fail. all these laws force you to comply or fail. they give unfair advantages to competition who will hire "colored people"

my boss won't hire blacks or mexicans. just refuses to. nobody can make him because he's not competing for government money though.

in the construction industry, if you have ever been around anything like that (guessing no because it's too dirty), mexicans hire mexicans, blacks hire blacks and whites hire whites or they sit home while their all mexican crew does everything. of course now that it's illegal to hire someone who is an illegal immigrant whether you knew or not, you're seeing whites hire whites again.

why is this? in an industry that pretty much prints money and is 100% dependent on production and nothing else? in an industry where felonies and addictions don't matter, why does color matter?

because EVERYONE naturally feels comfortable around the type of people they grew up with. that's your tribe mentality.

forcing folks to hire this or that, not fire this or that, etc, won't change that. it will just create a more stressful environment. the laws fuck people out of jobs, they don't get people jobs. i'd not want to work for someone who dislikes me because of my religion, my accent, my skin color, etc
of course i don't have that "you owe me" mentality either

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

There was actually legal action here not long ago because an employer was trying to ban burkas from his factory due to safety concerns. The women wear them out of some religious belief.

I guess something similar to what happens when a tie gets tangled in a machine could occur.

If McCarthy has taught me anything, that's socialism. :P

If only that word wasn't synonymous with "act of the devil" for some people...

[Fat Mac]

When you're in a position of power, it is your duty to find, hire and surround yourself with hot pieces of ass. Firing them is just insane.

i like your thinking!

[Morbownz]

Men should be able to do whatever they want.

[Elegiac]

you still don't understand. most workers have never seen/signed/been protected by a contract of any kind. they're just not common in any country. ask for one and they'll find the next desperate person who isn't so damn obnoxious.

Your agreement to compensate them at a certain rate of pay per hour constitutes a contract. Any labor lawyer understands this.

as for affirmative action, if there is a black guy that meets the minimum requirements, and a white guy who meets them but has 10 years experience, a great work history and wants to work for the same amount of money.....you hire the black guy to meet your minority quota.

Then introduce x years of experience as a qualification, for god's sake.

the laws fuck people out of jobs, they don't get people jobs.

What a coincidence, I agree - namely how laws pretty much favor employers at the expense of all else.

As for AA, it gives an advantage to employers who are not moronic in their recruitment practices and don't hire on the basis of race, or otherwise provides benefits to disenfranchised minorities. (Women included)

[v2prwsmb45yhuq3wj23vpjk]

Then introduce x years of experience as a qualification, for god's sake.

What if the job doesn't explicitly require experience, but experience usually helps them settle into the position?

[Lovecrafts]

Anything that encourages these bimbos to try getting through life with their heads, and not on their backs, is a step in the right direction.
Don't want to be treated like a slut? Don't dress like one. It's refreshing to finally see consequences befalling these tramps.

[Butler to Baby Sloths]

What if the job doesn't explicitly require experience, but experience usually helps them settle into the position?

You can generally get settled in well within a month, maybe two if it is a highly specialized position.

[Elegiac]

What if the job doesn't explicitly require experience, but experience usually helps them settle into the position?

Then weigh the risks. Either you can get a more easily settled employee, or you can get AA benefits.

Furthermore, we could pull hypotheticals out of our asses till the cows come home. Policy breaks down when it tries to factor in every what if situation.

[Thage]

Well that's classy. Someone gets fired because of her boss's lack of self-control and the court rules it a matter of emotion and not gender... 'cause I guess the boss would've gotten just as randy if it was Will Smith strolling in and working in a half-unbuttoned shirt, showing off his chest and abs and smiling that Will Smith smile.

Or, you know, those justices were really crappy at their job and basically ass-pulled a justification for a gender-based firing over completely asinine reasons.

[muto]

I always thought this sort of thing was against the law, you can't fire someone over looks/gender/skin tone. You can only fire someone for not being a good worker, or causing drama.

[Flappy]

Score one for men's rights!