Is the left engaging in salami tactics? And what should we do about it?

[mvaliz]

...what is it with GOP members and this weird food labeling system? Salami Tactics? Pork Barrels? Tea party activists?

...there's got to be a Freudian reason here somewhere...

[Nakura Chambers]

This, as soon as the Republican Party gets back on track with being more moderate, I may start voting for them again.

Rush Limbaugh has had many gems over the years, but to give a people an idea of how far his depravity goes, Rush claimed that Hurricane Isaac hitting where it did was a conspiracy planned out by Obama to make the Republican convention a disaster area because Obama was afraid of Mitt Romney. But you know, Obama himself can control the weather... because holding the Republican convention in southern Florida during peak hurricane season is obviously a smart thing to do.

I remember him talking about that, you're misrepresenting him, however. He wasn't saying that Obama controlled the weather.

[Kasierith]

The government would wants to stay in power first and foremost, thus using high-yield ordinances are out of the question, especially in densely populated areas. Not all of the soldiers would likely side with the government. Many would either abstain from fighting altogether or join the rebels.

How do you figure? Rebelling against the government and congress doesn't make you a hero, it makes you a rebel. And this idea that the vast majority of the state will rise up for the defense of what is, in all reality, a minority of the country is very facetious.

So what would you do if the country, through perfectly legitimate methods as allowed in the constitution, voted to amend the second amendment out of existence?

[triplesdsu]

The paranoia among some parts of the right in regard to gun control is downright hysterical. Its good for laughs, and probably a bit of karma, but in the end nothing will likely happen. At MOST, we could see some sort of regulations regarding assault weapons, but thats unlikely with the tea party in the house. If they can't agree to give aid to Hurricane victims, no way there going to go with any type of gun legislation. Also, the left isn't using some special tactic to drive people from the right, the right is doing it to themselves. Their stance on reproductive rights and gay marriage motivates more reasonable people away from their extreme attitudes. The longer they cling to that, the worst they'll be. Furthermore, liberals don't hate guns. I vote democrat. I own guns. I don't favor gun control or banning guns etc. Many liberals have the 'if you don't like it fine, but don't force that upon others' mentality. Its the same for guns, reproductive rights, gay marriage, religion, and drugs to a lesser extend, etc.

And like most people said, listening to Rush is your first mistake. If you actually believe the stuff he's telling then I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you.

[Sky High]

See my earlier post.

did, statement still stands.

[Nadev]

...what is it with GOP members and this weird food labeling system? Salami Tactics? Pork Barrels? Tea party activists?

...there's got to be a Freudian reason here somewhere...

I thought he goofed and meant "Saul Alinsky" tactics. Now I'm confused. And hungry.

[Adam Jensen]

...what is it with GOP members and this weird food labeling system? Salami Tactics? Pork Barrels? Tea party activists?

...there's got to be a Freudian reason here somewhere...

Maybe they're just hungry.

[Grizzly Willy]

...what is it with GOP members and this weird food labeling system? Salami Tactics? Pork Barrels? Tea party activists?

...there's got to be a Freudian reason here somewhere...

That sounds suspiciously like a British meal.

[Mormolyce]

Except they don't agree, as pointed out by the facts. "HURR DURR EUROPE GOT NO GUN GOT NO CRIME" is a misconception. If you look at the facts, they show that violent crime and homicide rates have RISEN with the introduction of gun control, whereas they have decreased every time gun rights are expanded.

Violent crime and homicide rates in the US have dropped consistently since the 70s, and are at 40 year lows.

Seriously you're wrong about literally everything.

Gun control lobbyists love it when kids get shot. They pray for school shootings to happen every night before they go to bed. Why? So they can take advantage of people's emotions and try to push knee-jerk anti-gun laws.

Righty-o. I can see that continuing to try to reason with you would be a highly fruitful endeavour.

[Nakura Chambers]

So you would say it's easier to wield and properly use a rifle in a close quartered situation (House) than a Pistol? Right, good luck with that.

It's easier to set up a defensive position with a rifle. If you're going to hole up in a room and wait for the police to arrive, I absolutely recommend a rifle. If you're going to go out and confront the criminal who is breaking in, then a handgun would be better.

[Kalyyn]

bullshit....?

Hey don't call bullshit on me broseph. I'm just reporting what I've been told.
http://www.politicaltest.net/
http://www.politicalcompass.org/

According to these, I'm a liberal democrat or a libertarian, respectively. Also, you don't actually know me. You know my internet persona, Kalyyn. Kalyyn tends to stray from my actual beliefs more often than not.

Actually, to be honest I don't think you know either me or internet me, because I've literally never seen you in a thread before right now.

[starlord]

http://www.justfacts.com/images/guncontrol/dc.png

Wait, so in an earlier post you said that gun homicides steadily decreased after the handgun ban and trigger-lock law was struck down, this is true, but the homicides had actually been decreasing since 1991 (On Average), if the law had had that much effect on homicide rates, then I should think the line would be more straighter, yes? Also note from 1976 (When the law was initiated) to 1980 there was little to no net change in homicide rates.
The large spike in 1985-1990 could be attributed to something other than the law, based upon the way the graph is for other years. Was there anything highly controversial or were there some significant events in that time frame?

thats about when cocaine became a thing.

[Grizzly Willy]

I would like to point out this line from the Just Facts link:

* Since the outset of the Chicago handgun ban, the Chicago murder rate has averaged 17% lower than it was before the law took effect, while the U.S. murder rate has averaged 25% lower.

[slackjawsix]

...what is it with GOP members and this weird food labeling system? Salami Tactics? Pork Barrels? Tea party activists?

...there's got to be a Freudian reason here somewhere...

its karl roves head that inspires this http://files.abovetopsecret.com/file...xn4f8ab9c3.jpg

[Nakura Chambers]

And why don't you classify yourself as a liberal, given your classification as a socialist?

I'm not really a socialist, though I do support heavy regulation of the banks, so I suppose some may consider me to be a socialist. Though such people would likely be misinformed.

[Magpai]

Yeah, as soon as someone addresses Rush in an non-ad hominem way, THEN he's irrelevant.

He was never relevant. Only the lack of rational thought applied in evaluating the source presented was.

[Mormolyce]

Wait, so in an earlier post you said that gun homicides steadily decreased after the handgun ban and trigger-lock law was struck down, this is true, but the homicides had actually been decreasing since 1991 (On Average), if the law had had that much effect on homicide rates, then I should think the line would be more straighter, yes? Also note from 1976 (When the law was initiated) to 1980 there was little to no net change in homicide rates.
The large spike in 1985-1990 could be attributed to something other than the law, based upon the way the graph is for other years. Was there anything highly controversial or were there some significant events in that time frame?

Also bear in mind that looking at just one state you have a high level of variance in the graph due to the small numbers of actual homicides and population versus the country at large, so those spikes could simply be random noise. Look at the US-wide line in the same period and how flat it is by comparison.

We have a similar problem here in Australia where we have so few gun murders that it's difficult to see any trends or draw any conclusions about whether it's going up or down.

[Nakura Chambers]

Wait, aren't you a liberal? Your signature says you're a democratic socialist.

It's a joke, I apologize if you were misled by it. I'm actually a libertarian conservative.

[Kalyyn]

Non sequitur. Huge difference between a process, and whether that process is rational/irrational. Really this just made no sense.


I cannot stress enough how you have found no post of mine that equate "understanding" with "agreeing" or where I was "simply labeling him a fool".

The issue here is that you thought I was talking about you. Granted, I was talking about the entirety of the human race (which includes you), but your post was honestly just a platform for me to try to jumpstart a psychology discussion. Sorry to disappoint you :/

[Nakura Chambers]

are we seriously entertaining thoughts of the government attacking people out right? /all abroad the crazy swazi express.

I'm sure the government would try to "rationalize" it by claiming it is "counter-terrorism" or "police action."