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[Sajek]

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/
http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/

Hunters/retri paladins/shadow priests does about same dps.

I would gladly take hand of protection/sacrifice/freedom/salvation.. all the defensive and healing talents + lay on hands..
instead of 8% ap buff (10% on top on 125%).. 5-6% overall damage.

Same with priests - you don't realize what you have before you loose it.
Hunters are pure dps class with ZERO raid utility/cd - we deserve those 5-6% dps on top of hybrids with raid CDs and offhealing.

And don't start about hunter pet buffs - those are NOT raid utility/CD. Any serious raidgroup has every buff without our pets.
Misdirection is useless(tanks NEVER loose agro).
Ice traps remove other slows(we are not allowed to use them).
Aspect of the daze is even worse - we have to sacrifice 20% of our damage.. Last and only time cheetah was useful in raiding - icc, hagara.

Only reason why i stick to my hunter - i love it!
I love shooting arrows.
But from raid perspective - we could use a raid cd!

We are pure dps with ZERO useful raid utility/CD. We get benched all the time, not stacked like other pure dps classes.
Can't remember last time we were on top - we deserve it!

From those dps charts, spriests are dead last on 3 of the fights if I remember correctly. And to be devils advocate here, what raid cd does a spriest have?

- We have fort, which is unnecessary with a lock since they buff both stam/spellpower.
- We have umm....Vampiric Embrace? Not entirely the bombshell of the century. Hymn of Hope? C'mon.

People are not going to bring or not bring a spriest over a hunter due to that. You can fill any missing buff (fine, you're discounting this), you can use deterrence to absorb things at a much higher frequency than I can disperse to do the same thing.

Grass is greener on the other side of the fence and all...movement means *zero* for you. That's hugely advantageous and you discount that.

And you should know by now that "pure dps" being entitled to higher dps is a thing of the past. I remember being a mana battery in TBC and being a nothing in Vanilla. Hunter is the easiest dps class since you have less to worry about. Buff them too much and it's faceroll time since they're really easy to learn. I leveled up an alt and was shocked at the ease of it all...just run and shoot, bounce around like druids and shoot, instant burst, never a need for ramping up DPS...automated damage even if I decide to not push buttons. You don't have it as bad as you're making it sound.

[stgeorge78]

You work for blizzard and know this as a fact?

It's called common sense. Zarhym has no idea either, he's just spouting off platitudes because he already knows the answer but is too weak to just say "No, we we will not be doing that." so instead he threatens to delay all of WoD (which is pointless since we have no release date anyway) to get the person to stop bugging him about it.

[Koohii]

http://www.raidbots.com/dpsbot/Overa.../all/7/30/avg/

Hunters are pure dps class with ZERO raid utility/cd - we deserve those 5-6% dps on top of hybrids with raid CDs and offhealing.

We are pure dps with ZERO useful raid utility/CD. We get benched all the time, not stacked like other pure dps classes.
Can't remember last time we were on top - we deserve it!

WW Monks would like a word with you.

We are a hybrid with guess what....zero raid CD's and off healing that's minuscule at best. Yet Hunters are brought over us due to ranged favored fights even if the hunter brings nothing but dps, be it less than the monk.

Right now the fail rate for random SoO N groups would be too high. We open previous tiers when most outgear & know strats.

The fail rate for most FLEX SoO is f-ing high right now and that's cross realm, what's the difference with making normal that way then. I'm still going with they want people to blow cash to transfer. >.>

[Nzete]

It would be a whole lot easier to recruit cross realm if you could cross realm normal SoO. Flex is a joke at our level. Make it require a guild group (the standard for guild challenges). Presto... significant fail protection.

[Deleted]

that with unholy was good but pls do the unholy more powerful more dmg.

[Shudder]

I've been running flex with my friends guild cross realm. She wants to start doing normals with her guild so I just now had to pay $25 to go over there in order to raid with her. Them saying we'd fail too much as a reason is quite frankly insulting and moronic.

[mercychan]

I don't really think I understand zarhyms counter argument...

Obviously they wouldn't implement cross realm SoO as an LFR queue style, more like open-pug flex style. By that late in the tier, so much people would be decked out in normal / heroic gear that finding geared cross-realm pugs wouldn't be so much of an issue...

If I can go on Open Raid and post "LFM Flex SoO wing X, pst ilvl and achievement", then I can just do the same for normal...

If it's a technical limitation then I can understand that.. but it works for t14 and t15 after the tiers ended, so why can't it work for current tier?

[Blur4stuff]

spriest just don't seem so great. i have it as an off spec. gear is set up exactly the way it's suppose to be. he has a higher ilvl than my feral and ww, yet sim dps is 30k+ lower. dps on target dummy is that much lower too.

[Kazuchika]

It's amazing how they don't even try to make believable arguments anymore.

"The fail rate would be too high" is an absolutely ridiculous excuse. First off why is it okay that the fail rate in Warlords might be too high but not now? Why should that hold back the idea of me getting my friends who I know are competent raiders from other servers together because little Timmy might try and do an Openraid pug and wipe on immersius for 3 hours?

Does this guy even remember that LFR exists? You want to talk about something with ridiculously high fail rates at times? Try LFR Garrosh.

Absolute bullshit. Also love the subtle implication that they basically think a majority of their paying customers are terrible and thus would do nothing but wipe if they made it cross realm.

Piss off Zarhym and take your terrible excuses with you.

[Shudder]

It's amazing how they don't even try to make believable arguments anymore.

"The fail rate would be too high" is an absolutely ridiculous excuse. First off why is it okay that the fail rate in Warlords might be too high but not now? Why should that hold back the idea of me getting my friends who I know are competent raiders from other servers together because little Timmy might try and do an Openraid pug and wipe on immersius for 3 hours?

Does this guy even remember that LFR exists? You want to talk about something with ridiculously high fail rates at times? Try LFR Garrosh.

Absolute bullshit. Also love the subtle implication that they basically think a majority of their paying customers are terrible and thus would do nothing but wipe if they made it cross realm.

Piss off Zarhym and take your terrible excuses with you.

Not surprising coming from a company that says when asked about why they don't just completely separate pvp and pve so nerfs and buffs won't affect the other that we're too stupid to be able to comprehend a spell doing two things depending on where we are.

[Gerik]

Zarhym makes a good point. Crossrealm basically just enables people to put together pugs, and the developers have to take some measures to protect pugs from their own stupid selves. These are essentially still all the terrible people you see in LFR, just put together using a different tool.

How many pugs threw themselves like lambs to the slaughter at Oondasta? Pugs on my server virtually never killed him. It just resulted in a bad time for a whole lot of casual players. Blizzard had to nerf Oondasta into the dirt because they couldn't convince people that he was intended for experienced raiders. "Release and run back!" doesn't work in SoO.

[Shudder]

Zarhym makes a good point. Crossrealm basically just enables people to put together pugs, and the developers have to take some measures to protect pugs from their own stupid selves. These are essentially still all the terrible people you see in LFR, just put together using a different tool.

How many pugs threw themselves like lambs to the slaughter at Oondasta? Pugs on my server virtually never killed him. It just resulted in a bad time for a whole lot of casual players. Blizzard had to nerf Oondasta into the dirt because they couldn't convince people that he was intended for experienced raiders. "Release and run back!" doesn't work in SoO.

You're right. They should also remove heroic mode since it causes a lot of wipes.

[Spotnick]

I'd love to see cross-realm normal modes, since our flex cross-realm run is really getting out of reasons to run it, and since we don't have 10 on same server we have no other option.

[Deleted]

Hunterbuff woho

[Rolly]

lol@Zarhym

All that time on GC's knee paid off I see.

[Prokne]

I dont understand the problem. Normal and Heroic raids become cross realmable when the tier is over, Dragon Soul was after the mid tier patch. So it probably just takes a flip of the switch.

And the "you will fail too much" is BS. If you could cross realm raids at any time people would also make cross realm guilds or use grouping sites like Openraid and it would be basically the same as playing with people on your same realm. IMO its harder to do the raids with a random group on your own realm because the talent pool is lower. Either that or you cant even try to do it because there arent enough people. I still think its a method to get people to pay them to realm transfer. Theres no other reason you shouldnt be able to do a raid with anyone in your region no matter what server they are on.

[Crowfeather]

Since nobody's mentioned this: Blizz giving blanket buffs to 3 classes is kinda like a stealthy way of nerfing the content a little bit without saying they're nerfing the content.

[Taiknee]

Not sure about the other class buffs, but if I did the math right, the 25% to 35% AP buff for hunters translates to about a ~3% damage (*not* DPS) increase on Chimera/Arcane and about ~8% on Explosive/KC in 522 PvP gear.

[Bombkirby]

It's called common sense. Zarhym has no idea either, he's just spouting off platitudes because he already knows the answer but is too weak to just say "No, we we will not be doing that." so instead he threatens to delay all of WoD (which is pointless since we have no release date anyway) to get the person to stop bugging him about it.

Why does everyone think every feature/art asset/piece of code just manifests itself out of thin air when game companies are creating games? That coding and modeling happens with the snap of a finger. They think the devs are just sitting around twiddling their thumbs and have time to do every idea we give them. They're all very busy working on things that they scheduled to work on RIGHT now. They can't put that all on hold to implement something that wasn't on the schedule. If you people want to make suggestions and requests, it has to be VERY early and you have to make it clear that it will be worth their time/money to implement (over other things.) If they DID go ahead and do that cross realm whatever it was, they're going to cut whatever else they were trying to work on from the game. Is that really worth it for the entire community? Thats the question they have to ask themselves when choosing what to make and what to cut.

[Deleted]

I'd rather the Flex scaling be introduced now, would make recruiting for Mythic a lot easier and make the transition into WoD much smoother and better for the guild I am in.