Ferguson attorney: Brown family settlement $1.5 million

[alturic]

If it weren't true, then police could kill literally anyone they wanted to, because, by your argument, even unarmed people pose a lethal threat and their behaviour doesn't matter, so the moment the officer suspects you of anything, they can legally kill you.

That's obviously ridiculous.



That's not how lethal threats are defined. People can be killed by choking on a hot dog; that doesn't mean someone selling hotdogs is making lethal threats.

Sir, you really need to understand law, law enforcement and how police training works before commenting further.

[perasite]

Endus is intentionally making stuff up. He always does. Acts like he knows what he is talking about. Claims it as fact. But rarely actually has any clue.

[zenkai]

The story pushed by both sides did not add up. The timeline that Wilson claimed to be true was not possible given the evidence. The testimony by Brown's friend was also not possible, and was refuted by the medical examiner. At the end of the day, we still do not know exactly what happened, and we never will. The settlement was honestly to try and make this all go away. As for the shooting, I'm actually far more concerned with the actions of law enforcement in the days after it occurred. There were multiple instances of civil rights violations, stifling free press, and misuse of force. That was a part of the issue that deserved far more attention.

Actually all the forensic evidence backs up Wilson's story and puts more holes than Swiss cheese into Johnson's story. Not to mention one is a cop and one is a criminal but people believe the criminal over the cop despite the physical evidence. People are fucking stupid.

[Deleted]

It's pretty telling that people are rushing to the thread to defend Wilson's actions, when this wrongful death settlement is pretty much a tacit admission that he acted inappropriately.

No it isn't at all. Neither legally nor morally.

But you are the guy who thinks rape allegation = truth

[Darkeon]

Not a bad amount of money from a lawfully taken down of a criminal. Good job, Brown family.

[Coconuter]

If it weren't true, then police could kill literally anyone they wanted to, because, by your argument, even unarmed people pose a lethal threat and their behaviour doesn't matter, so the moment the officer suspects you of anything, they can legally kill you.

That's obviously ridiculous.



That's not how lethal threats are defined. People can be killed by choking on a hot dog; that doesn't mean someone selling hotdogs is making lethal threats.

"In the United States, the use of deadly force by sworn law enforcement officers is lawful when the officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others."

Like, didn't even have to click on a link to find that in 2 seconds on google. Brown showed intent and capability. Those are the only two things somebody has to show.

[perasite]

"In the United States, the use of deadly force by sworn law enforcement officers is lawful when the officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others."

Like, didn't even have to click on a link to find that in 2 seconds on google. Brown showed intent and capability. Those are the only two things somebody has to show.

Thank you. /thread

[Runenwächter]

It's pretty telling that people are rushing to the thread to defend Wilson's actions, when this wrongful death settlement is pretty much a tacit admission that he acted inappropriately.

This is a civil lawsuit and not a criminal one, the burden of proof that Wilson has acted innapropriately isnt just on the accuser, the burden he acted appropriately is also on the city.
The settlement of a lawsuit is simple risk management. Defendants plead guilty all the time in court, even though they are largely innocent of the charges. They take a shit deal because the risk associated with losing that fight and possibly serve an even longer sentence is not something they are willing to take. Dont read something into it that isnt there.

[Deleted]

Not a bad amount of money from a lawfully taken down of a criminal. Good job, Brown family.

And the lucky taxpayers even get to pay for it.

[Toogoodman]

Sorry but that couldn't be more bullshit. U shoot a guy in his knee and he's not going anywhere. It's a cowardly way of thinking and it has only brought ruin and shame upon the police force.

I dont know what military you were in, but when i was in the arm EOF was 5S

1) Shout
2) Show (your weapon)
3) Shove the person away (if possible)
4) Shoot (a warning shot)
5) Shoot to eliminate the threat

We were always taught to aim for center mass, shooting at limbs, on a moving target, is nearly impossible, but center mass doesnt move as much

[Jokkie]

Why is shooting to disable never a thing with these cops? All throughout my military career we were always trained in EOF, I can't imagine cops aren't trained this way as well, especially in today's day and age.

Oops, I hit the femoral artery.

[Serpha]

It's pretty telling that people are rushing to the thread to defend Wilson's actions, when this wrongful death settlement is pretty much a tacit admission that he acted inappropriately.

And you seem to defend the thug, just because the policeman was white, racist as usual. Tell us, why do you hate white people so much? Actually don't bother.

[Lorgar Aurelian]

Sorry but that couldn't be more bullshit. U shoot a guy in his knee and he's not going anywhere. It's a cowardly way of thinking and it has only brought ruin and shame upon the police force.

Shooting some one in the leg is meaning less if they don't even notice it because of the adrenaline.

[the game]

If it weren't true, then police could kill literally anyone they wanted to, because, by your argument, even unarmed people pose a lethal threat and their behaviour doesn't matter, so the moment the officer suspects you of anything, they can legally kill you.

That's obviously ridiculous.



That's not how lethal threats are defined. People can be killed by choking on a hot dog; that doesn't mean someone selling hotdogs is making lethal threats.

the hotdog vendor isn't shoving hot dogs down your throat. Michael brown was viciously attacking Darren Wilson in his car.

[Toogoodman]

Maybe not, but it was extremely cowardly and I should be able to expect more from people that knowingly sign up to protect citizens from potential danger.

Have you ever been in a closed quarters combat situation? Having someone grab at your gun, running away, and then charging back at you? That is the actual confirmed series of events, that absolutely warrants escalation of force, you shoot a warning shot and they keep coming, and you shoot to eliminate the threat, and after getting shot they keep charging.... Pretty obvious answer, police to deserve to go home at the end of the day just as much as anyone else does, but if you decide to make a stupid decision that ends your life, thats your fault.

[PainREIGN]

While it is sad that a person had to lose their life and the family has to deal with it the officer involved also has to deal with the fact that he had to take a life and that will probably weigh on him the rest of his life because a person threatened his personal safety. Is the cops life less important because he swore to serve and protect his community?

Why is the cop always blamed when something happens to such a "upstanding" citizen? Yes some cops are not the most stand-up guys out there but all in all they cant all be bad.

[Machismo]

Actually all the forensic evidence backs up Wilson's story and puts more holes than Swiss cheese into Johnson's story. Not to mention one is a cop and one is a criminal but people believe the criminal over the cop despite the physical evidence. People are fucking stupid.

Johnson's story was full of shit. However, Wilson's timeline does not properly match up. It's true that his testimony is clearly more believable than Johnson, but it certainly was not completely corroborated. His timeline of events does all the forensic evidence. His accounting that Brown reached into his car, does. The audio of the gunshots does not fit with his own comments. Now, whether that audio was 100% legitimate, still has not been stated by the FBI.

[Endus]

"In the United States, the use of deadly force by sworn law enforcement officers is lawful when the officer reasonably believes the subject poses a significant threat of serious bodily injury or death to themselves or others."

Like, didn't even have to click on a link to find that in 2 seconds on google. Brown showed intent and capability. Those are the only two things somebody has to show.

http://www.policeforum.org/assets/30...principles.pdf

Plus, the DOJ's report on Ferguson, which said Wilson acted within department policy, but that policy was deeply flawed; https://www.justice.gov/sites/defaul...ent_report.pdf

[Toogoodman]

That's not how lethal threats are defined. People can be killed by choking on a hot dog; that doesn't mean someone selling hotdogs is making lethal threats.

This is one of the worst straw man arguments i've ever read on this case, selling a hot dog someone chocks on is a little different than assault a police officer. Now if you said the hot dog stand own walked up to someone, and stuffed 5 hot dogs down their throats to choke them to death, that would have been a better argument.

[Coconuter]

Have you ever been in a closed quarters combat situation? Having someone grab at your gun, running away, and then charging back at you? That is the actual confirmed series of events, that absolutely warrants escalation of force, you shoot a warning shot and they keep coming, and you shoot to eliminate the threat, and after getting shot they keep charging.... Pretty obvious answer, police to deserve to go home at the end of the day just as much as anyone else does, but if you decide to make a stupid decision that ends your life, thats your fault.

Exactly. Even on camera Wilson drew his gun and issued a warning first. He did not want to kill Brown, only wanted to go home and perform his sworn duty.