Is it wrong to...

[DeltrusDisc]

Physically going to someone's grave and pissing on them is completely different than going to an online game "event" in memory of someone who died 3 years ago that a group of people who never met the man IRL are hosting. These people knew him in-game only. They weren't buddies that hung out & went out drinking or called each other and crap like that. They were "friends" in a video game.

Aha, it almost sounds like you might be jealous of these people and their friendships in-game...

Friendship does not require people to be next to each other. As a friend posted on here years back after I had a friend die...

"Real friendship is about interaction between two individuals.
It's not about two meat-bags being physically close to each other." - @ayashi

[A dot Ham]

People finding amusement in dick behaviour isn't new, doesn't make it any more acceptable

Sure it does. When has world PvP ever been convenient or fun for the person getting killed?

If its a dick move to kill you while you're trying to have a memorial... then its a dick move when you're trying to quest/level/farm.

Which means engaging in PvP (if you're the winner) typically makes you a douche.

Because its a game, because you're on a PvP realm... what you are doing and why you are doing it is irrelevant.

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It being a game doesn't mean you need to act like a jerk. Of course people find amusement in being a jerk but that doesn't make it right. And none of that relates to your RP PvP argument.

Because holding a memorial is a form of RP.

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Sure it does. When has world PvP ever been convenient or fun for the person getting killed?

If its a dick move to kill you while you're trying to have a memorial... then its a dick move when you're trying to quest/level/farm.

Which means engaging in PvP (if you're the winner) typically makes you a douche.

Because its a game, because you're on a PvP realm... what you are doing and why you are doing it is irrelevant.

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Because holding a memorial is a form of RP.

You obviously do not understand so little point trying to explain it

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Because holding a memorial is a form of RP.

No it isn't !

[A dot Ham]

You obviously do not understand so little point trying to explain it

I understand just fine. You and the rest of your wanna social justice warrior pals want to demonize a perfectly allowable and acceptable action within the game.

[rhorle]

Because holding a memorial is a form of RP.

Not nessacarily. If the memorial is for out of game reasons it is by its very nature not Role playing. You can role play during it sure. If the memorial is for the in-game character that died from in-game reasons then yes it is a role playing memorial.

Which still doesn't relate to it automatically being the Red Wedding. Either way you've missed some mark.

Because its a game, because you're on a PvP realm... what you are doing and why you are doing it is irrelevant.

If what you are doing and why is irrelevant why are you using RP as part of your argument? Are you in the habit of arguing irrelevant things?

Sure it does. When has world PvP ever been convenient or fun for the person getting killed?

I see the problem. You think the very act of PvP'ing is being a jerk. You can fight another person with out being a jerk. It is called sportsmanship. Something you should look up.

[A dot Ham]

No it isn't !

It absolutely is... because if you actually gave a fuck... you'd meet up and have a REAL memorial.

This in game memorial is a way from lazy gamers who PRETEND to have a relationship with the deceased, to PRETEND like they care.

PRETEND is a synonym for Role-play.

[rhorle]

I understand just fine. You and the rest of your wanna social justice warrior pals want to demonize a perfectly allowable and acceptable action within the game.

Griefing is not allowable or acceptable by Blizzard. No one has complained about the Horde raiding Stormwind. There is a difference between doing that and greifing a memorial service.

[A dot Ham]

Not nessacarily. If the memorial is for out of game reasons it is by its very nature not Role playing. You can role play during it sure. If the memorial is for the in-game character that died from in-game reasons then yes it is a role playing memorial.

Which still doesn't relate to it automatically being the Red Wedding. Either way you've missed some mark.



If what you are doing and why is irrelevant why are you using RP as part of your argument? Are you in the habit of arguing irrelevant things?



I see the problem. You think the very act of PvP'ing is being a jerk. You can fight another person with out being a jerk. It is called sportsmanship. Something you should look up.

You're getting way too hung up on the RP thing...

Props to the folks that wreck this ridiculous affair.

I'm out.

[rhorle]

because if you actually gave a fuck... you'd meet up and have a REAL memorial.This in game memorial is a way from lazy gamers who PRETEND to have a relationship with the deceased, to PRETEND like they care. PRETEND is a synonym for Role-play.

The game is real. They are having a real memorial. Blizzard themselves have even gave people in-game memorials on several occasions. Online relationships are just as real as physical ones and just because you can't physically get together doesn't make it any less real. There is nothing inherently pretend about it.

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You're getting way too hung up on the RP thing...

We can't discuss a failed and flawed argument you keep bringing up? What is your point here if not to discuss?

[A dot Ham]

Griefing is not allowable or acceptable by Blizzard. No one has complained about the Horde raiding Stormwind. There is a difference between doing that and greifing a memorial service.

No one got corrective action for the last time someone wrecked a memorial... no one will get corrective action for wrecking this one.

Because:

(1) Its a game
(2) PvP is allowed

Regardless of your reasons or motivation.

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We can't discuss a failed and flawed argument you keep bringing up? What is your point here if not to discuss?

To weigh in on whether or not it is wrong.

Wrong is determined by ToS

AND

By the prevailing social acceptance or damnation of the action.

It isn't against ToS... evidenced by the lack of action taken the last time an event like this took place.

The prevailing opinion of the community at large (not just MMO-C) is acceptance, given the number of views and likes of the video of the same event.

[rhorle]

No one got corrective action for the last time someone wrecked a memorial... no one will get corrective action for wrecking this one. Because: (1) Its a game (2) PvP is allowed Regardless of your reasons or motivation.

I'm out.

Now that is out of the way. People have received disciplinary action from blizzard for griefing. If you honestly believe that no one has then you are a bigger fool then your words alone make out.

http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...vP-or-Griefing
http://www.mmo-champion.com/threads/...ed-as-griefing

Do I need to provide you with more? Because it pretty clearly shows that just because something is a game and PvP is allowed that people can still grief and break the rules. Motivation for why they are doing it is the key factor and often hard for Blizzard to prove. In a case like this it would be griefing against the rules because the OP has stated numerous times they want to do it just to fuck up the memorial rather then for PvP. That is griefing that Blizzard doesn't tolerate.

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It absolutely is... because if you actually gave a fuck... you'd meet up and have a REAL memorial.

This in game memorial is a way from lazy gamers who PRETEND to have a relationship with the deceased, to PRETEND like they care.

PRETEND is a synonym for Role-play.

It isn't RP and nor are they pretending

[Skalm]

Well, something similar happened in the past (Vanilla?), and people were pissed. But I do not think a whole lot was done to the individuals that disrupted the memorial.

However, in the current times, with so many special snowflakes. You are almost guaranteed to get a temp ban.

Just think if WoW had cow mounts like Archeage. You could ride it over to the memorial, and make it take a poop....which would be both bad and hilarious.

[rhorle]

It isn't against ToS... evidenced by the lack of action taken the last time an event like this took place.The prevailing opinion of the community at large (not just MMO-C) is acceptance, given the number of views and likes of the video of the same event.

Likes and views has no bearing on the community at large. Plenty of videos Blizzard produce has a lot of likes and views but people still claimed the expansions were crap. Raiding Stormwind and the memorial is not itself against the terms of service. Doing it to grief the players is however against the terms of service. The distinction you can't seem to make because you are treating it like all PvP is acceptable because of youtube likes.

[A dot Ham]

It isn't RP and nor are they pretending

It is, and they are.

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It is, and they are.

Your incomprehension is nauseating

It isn't pretend because somebody IRL died and that's who they're remembering.... The feelings are real

[A dot Ham]

Likes and views has no bearing on the community at large. Plenty of videos Blizzard produce has a lot of likes and views but people still claimed the expansions were crap. Raiding Stormwind and the memorial is not itself against the terms of service. Doing it to grief the players is however against the terms of service. The distinction you can't seem to make because you are treating it like all PvP is acceptable because of youtube likes.

So you prefer to use a non-quantifiable metric when measuring community acceptance. "a lot of people claim the expansions were crap" Which is more of general feeling and sense of the situation and the few people you surround yourself with and not a reflection of the entire community.

Once again, engaging in PvP, on PvP server is not in and of itself "griefing" regardless of reason for engaging in said activity. You're interpreting the ToS to fit YOUR argument, and they have NEVER been applied that way.

[Mindark]

It is, and they are.

Just because you don't understand it doesn't mean it's fake.

Doing real life things with real life people is not roleplaying, no matter the medium. It's a fake as videoconferencing is.

Having friends is also not a made up phenomenon. Are you still friends with your friends after you part ways for the evening? How long are you still friends since seeing them? Can you be friends with old high school buddies if you live on opposite sides of the world?

[MoanaLisa]

It is, and they are.

The basis for the get-together is an OOC (out-of-character) event. That's why some people may not consider it RP as such. Don't know if you RP at all but what happens in character and OOC are very different things.

[A dot Ham]

Your incomprehension is nauseating

It isn't pretend because somebody IRL died and that's who they're remembering.... The feelings are real

Your perception of what is fact and what isn't is equally disgusting.

You say some silly crap like:

It isn't RP and nor are they pretending

As if your word is law. Fact. Somehow puts an end to the conversation. I'm sorry who are you?

I say it is, and they are.

So there you have it 2 nobodies with varying opinions on the genuineness of others. How exactly do you bring finality to such a silly argument? You don't. So don't make it.