New expansion's premise is pretty terrible from the lore stand point.

[snplisk]

I disagree with the premise of this thread completely. Piecing some information together it seems to me that the lore behind this expansion is essentially that tensions have built over various incidents involving the Horde & Alliance. They no longer have a common enemy to rally around, and already loose agreements fall apart as the only real enemy left is each other. All real outside threats are gone; or so they thought.

In their respective lust for war with and power over each other, they ignore something very important: Azeroth has been grievously wounded, potentially dying, and is, most importantly, vulnerable. All the while, the Void Lords and their Old God minions have been planning things in the background. Queen Azshara will rise again in this expansion as an actor on their behalf and will be a raid boss as Blizzard confirmed.

I predict that by the end of this expansion we will have some kind of Old God menace to contend with that will ultimately pose a far greater threat to Azeroth than the Burning Legion did this expansion, and it gets to such a point because we were busy fighting each other and ignored the signs of what is to come. Now this may not happen in this expansion per se, my thinking is it might be more along the lines of how WoD was a stepping stone into the Legion expansion. This expansion will probably set the stage for some kind of Old God/Void related expansion to follow.

[Trassk]

Honestly if people hate the Horde vs Alliance theme, why the fuck do you play WoW

because there is more elements in the story then just whatever the horde and alliance are doing. Look at legion for example, we saw from the start how the two factions tried to win, but failed miserably, resulting in neutral factions leading the charge, which the two warring factions took a back seat to everything, aside from sylvanas and genns tif in stormheim.

Horde and alliance are an element of the universe in this story, but its possible to write intresting enough stuff that isn't about that shit all the time.

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actually, they kinda do. If the alliance has pushed out the forsaken from Tirisfal, and set up base in arathi, it being the central hub of lordearon now, then they have it back. Can't have the alliance getting their toes dirty now tirisfal is a dirty dank place after all.

Arathi is a Warfront, still contested. Gilneas is the only territory back in Alliance hands.

[Trassk]

I predict that by the end of this expansion we will have some kind of Old God threat to contend with that will ultimately pose a far greater threat to Azeroth than the Burning Legion did this expansion, and it gets to such a point because we were busy fighting each other and ignored the signs of what is to come. Now this may not happen in this expansion per se, my thinking is it might be more along the lines of how WoD was a stepping stone into the Legion expansion. This expansion will probably set the stage for some kind of Old God/Void related expansion to follow.

I would play it that with the legion taken care of, the void or old gods can influence the mortal races without threat of something coming to get them (Sargeras), this being why the war tension sparked up, and why characters like Anduin are now war hungry. In the end, I'd have Azshara using this moment to attack the warring factions after their bloodshed kills many of them, and her becoming the final threat. And upon killing her in the end, she spills the fact they were all puppets to the old gods or void lords, and how easily they were manipulated.

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And this is the first time an expac is 100% based around alliance and horde, even MoP from the very beginning wasn't really an Alliance vs Horde expac, people are so quick to judge and cry about something that's not even been fully explained yet

MoP was a faction war xpac, the continuation of the war that started before Cataclysm. Alliance and Horde go to Pandaria because of resources and manpower. Then the story hit the game mechanics wall, the status quo is an absolute need, so came the Darkspear Rebellion.

That's the problem with faction wars gamewise, it leads nowhere.

[Trassk]

And this is the first time an expac is 100% based around alliance and horde, even MoP from the very beginning wasn't really an Alliance vs Horde expac, people are so quick to judge and cry about something that's not even been fully explained yet

you don't ever know if this expansion will be 100% alliance vs horde, this is just the start of the expansion, and it could just up end and become a big threat we all need to take down in the end. Honestly, how else do you expect an expansion like this to end?

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Arathi is a Warfront, still contested. Gilneas is the only territory back in Alliance hands.

Warfront or not when they say the alliance it taking the eastern kingdoms, and cutting off quel'thalas at its border, they have officially taken lordearon.

[Deleted]

you don't ever know if this expansion will be 100% alliance vs horde, this is just the start of the expansion, and it could just up end and become a big threat we all need to take down in the end. Honestly, how else do you expect an expansion like this to end?

A big bad appears, we all unite once again. Repeat.

An "explore the mysteries of Azeroth" xpac would be much better, with new factions appearing. Warfront could be against those new factions.

[ReVnX]

There is going to be some Old God influence before the end of the expansion, probably the last raid. Just like MoP

Wait and see

[faithbane]

Look, if you don't know the history of fighting and why, educate yourself.

Read for 45 minutes and it explains it all. If you don't buy it after that, then don't.

Secondly, the reason for fighting in the coming expansion isn't even out yet. Panty bunchers, the lot of yall.

Maybe you should educate yourself? Basis of "Faction war" is rooted all the way back in the RTS games which was mainly a orc vs humans (+ dwarfs) conflict. Elves on the side were reluctantly helping the humans until Arthas ripped them a new one and they became the second class citizens of eastern kingdoms and mistreated by the humans. So far so good.... BUT, the current factions are not made up of ORCS vs HUMANS and even if they did, they actually partially reconciled their differences in the end of the wc3 game by fighting together against burning legion and helping each other in quests and rebuilding (an initiate led by Jaina on the Human side.. oh the irony). In the current setup there is no reason for the Taurens to fucking fight ANYONE. Same goes for gnomes and goblins and trolls for the most part. Space cows getting involved in this whole "Azeroth" conflict is absurd just because orcs happen to be on the other side, and even after horde just helped free their homeworld from a freaking batshit crazy titan.

The way the board is set right now, Taurens and space cows could form their own cow based peacefulish faction.
Orcs/ogres/trolls can band together as the horde. Humans and Dwarfs can have their alliance with possible the inclusion of the gnomes. and these two can keep fighting forever for all I care..
Goblins can form their mercenary faction.
Forsaken can get pushed out of lordaeron and form their undead/outcasts faction in northrend with couple other races. Arokka perhaps and nerubians?
Elves could have their own mini factions and not get involved in "Faction wars" directly since they were above it all elitist douchebags anyway.
This is just a suggestion to show how complicated the factions could be but a multifaction setup makes more sense then horde vs alliance BS

[Graden]

Warfront or not when they say the alliance it taking the eastern kingdoms, and cutting off quel'thalas at its border, they have officially taken lordearon.

They said that the Horde will probably try to invade Gilneas (again). Horde threat is still there.

[mickybrighteyes]

I dont know details, of course. But for now it seems that Blizzard simply butcher their story and their characters with this all out Horde vs Alliance war. It looks really noticeable because Blizzard tried too hard to tell us that Horde and Alliance are bloody enemies. They dont explain well WHY.

There was never any peace accord. ONly temporary agreements that were only verbally acknoledged... and all of those parties are dead, gone, or now distrust one another. A better question is where you thought the peace was coming from?

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There was never any peace accord. ONly temporary agreements that were only verbally acknoledged... and all of those parties are dead, gone, or now distrust one another. A better question is where you thought the peace was coming from?

Garrosh's Trial was the closest to true peace accord.

[Boogieknight]

Not for the player. We need to know why she wants a war. If she does not give a reason, then why should the player give a shit? Why should we emerge our selfs in the faction war at all if Blizzard just does it because they can.

The simplest answer to that question has been given over and over from her since Cata: Her people can't reproduce and as such require bodies of human beings to raise in order to continue their presence. Add on to that the fact that she is desperately searching for a way to not die and return that that darkness she escaped. Easiest way to accomplish that is, was, and always has been to simply end the Alliance who pose a threat to her mortality and the survival of her people.

[Evangeliste]

Garrosh's Trial was the closest to true peace accord.

True and it's kinda the same thing, there's a mild peace accord because they unite against 1 big baddie. Legion, Arthas, Deathwing... just a little more human than the rest.

[mickybrighteyes]

Garrosh's Trial was the closest to true peace accord.

Even then it had parties on both sides trying to make moves behind the scenes. I mean the only parties really trying to maintain peace are dead or gone or suddenly disinclined to acquiesce to such a request amid rumors and hearsay about demonic influence.

[Deleted]

Am I the only who who noticed the slight hint of smirk on faces of Anduin and Sylvanas at the very end of cinematic? Now couple it with what Varimathras says and it makes a lot of sense.

[zlygork]

It's scapegoat. Jesus.

Jesus, how dare I make a grammatical mistake based on an existing english word (escape), right?

[Selky]

Why anyone in the Horde would support Sylvanas is beyond me. They've gone beyond irredeemable, and the Highmountain Tauren and the Nightborne allying with them have soured me on them forever.

They better have a good explanation for Teldrassil.

[Aaronioslo]

Lol, did you get your feelings hurt, nice of you to stand up for the boy king.

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Even after that he is still the peace driven person he was in MoP. Outside of some crazy brainwashing by Genn his jump to chasing down the Horde doesn't make any sense. Then you mix in him not being anything close to a warrior and no instantly a major player in this battle. It is poor writing to fit this forced faction v faction nonsense.

i agree, just saying its spinnable from their PoV

[Boogieknight]

See if she wanted more resourses and to strengthend the position of the Horde, i could see her go aggresive, but why Teldrassil? And why not attack other more weak and resoursefull areas, that the alliance control?

Because Teldrassil is the only Alliance capital on Kalimdor. The same reason we're attacking Undercity: it's the only Horde capital on Eastern Kingdoms. There's little logic to the attacks besides cutting off the opposite faction on your soil.