I am just baffled by the Alliance fighting the Horde again, how do you defend it?

[Zulkhan]

I mean, the premise I was following was that Sylvanas indeed is the one who starts the war, which would be a megalomaniac game of her she apparently planned for years. But yeah, I guess survival instinct could still overrule that. Although, throwing her under the bus and flying white flags is plenty survival instinct.

There's clearly need of some glue to attach the BtS prelude at the the cinematic, something the whole novel """""""should""""""" provide.

Ahaha. No. The last time they did have some small events already (even some perpetrated by third parties). And even though the Alliance ultimately was the one to have their events first, they still pinned it all on Garrosh because he was Hitler. So whoever gets to be the Hitler of this war, will get blamed for all of it.

I doubt even Blizzard would so clumsily repeat the same exact trick all over again. I already see the faction war cheapened in a similar manner but this time I predict some super evil scheme of third parties literally manipulating the conflict from start to finish. In this way the "lessons of Pandaria" will be preserved and war between Alliance and Horde will once again become bad business and anyone suggesting it a literal psychopath.

[MHMabrito]

It's like everyone forgot that the horde watched as the alliance king was over run and killed. It's like they forgot that forsaken took over an alliance kingdom. It's like they forgotten what the forsaken did to the Gilnean people. It's like they forgot about literally all the other bad shit, monstrous, and genocide that the horde has caused. The cherry on top was the kings death, and they must be held accountable.

[huth]

Believing things do not make people look stupid, starting wars out of beliefs alone does though. Throwing lives in the meat grinder should be justified by something a bit more...concrete.

Sadly, while it is stupid, it isn't unrealistic.

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It's like everyone forgot that the horde watched as the alliance king was over run and killed.

It's like you forgot that the Horde was running for their lives while said king was killed.

[Polygons]

Why would you want the Horde and Alliance to get along?

[MCMLXXXII]

It's like everyone forgot that the horde watched as the alliance king was over run and killed.

They were already gone by then. And hey the warchief died too

It's like they forgot that forsaken too over an alliance kingdom.

You mean that steaming pile of rotten land that all the living fled from?

It's like they forgotten what the forsaken did to the Gilnean people.

I'll give you that one,

It's like they forgot about literally all the other bad shit, monstrous, and genocide that the horde has caused. The cherry on top was the kings death, and they must be held accountable.

Sure

[Melius]

im pretty sure there is a connection to the old gods and the void lords. its easier to conquer a land already ravaged by war with both military factions tired by warfare. nzoth is doing a good job it seems. the nations are destroying eachother already so it makes it easier for the old gods.

[MHMabrito]

Sadly, while it is stupid, it isn't unrealistic.

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It's like you forgot that the Horde was running for their lives while said king was killed.

Abandoning your fellow soldiers is punishable by death.

That being said, I see Glenn Greymane and Jaina manipulating Anduin to destroy the horde, they both only have vengeance on their minds.

[Zulkhan]

Sadly, while it is stupid, it isn't unrealistic.

That depends from the context. Considered Anduin has always been depicted as a rather level-headed character and we just faced the biggest war against the Legion of all times (the one that even led to its dismantling) I say such premise would be unrealistic enough.

[lanesia24]

The Forsaken are one thing, but there is absolutely no reason the other races of the Horde, ESPECIALLY THE ORCS, would rally behind Sylvanas to wage war against the Alliance again after Garrosh. It just makes absolutely no fucking sense, especially in the wake of Legion craze.

Like how do you even justify this premise? What would Illidan think of the fact the Alliance and Horde suddenly decide to fight each other over the Legion?

Considering the Horde and Alliance have always fought and had tenuous peace at best doesn't really make it seem that far out of the realm of possibility in my opinion. I mean the Horde and Alliance aren't really doing anything in Legion. The class order halls and army of light are the ones taking the fight to the Legion.

Genn and Sylvanas hate each other and Genn has a huge voice with Anduin and Sylvanas wants to secure the future for the horde and she's shown that she will do whatever it takes. Genn is basically begging for war and Jaina also doesn't like the horde. I'm not sure why people want the story to be some peace loving thing where we all band together to fight off all the threats. That sounds like the most boring thing ever. Bring on the Horde vs Alliance conflicts along with fighting the big baddies imo. It makes it way more interesting.

[Zulkhan]

Abandoning your fellow soldiers is punishable by death.

They weren't "fellow" soldiers and the Horde isn't ruled by the Alliance.

[MCMLXXXII]

Abandoning your fellow soldiers is punishable by death.

That being said, I see Glenn Greymane and Jaina manipulating Anduin to destroy the horde, they both only have vengeance on their minds.

Except they weren't fellow soldiers. Basicly just an uneasy temporary coalition.

[huth]

Abandoning your fellow soldiers is punishable by death.

You forgot the "without good reason" in there. The Horde was already getting overrun, they had no choice and no way of actually helping the Alliance.

[Mukki]

#allianceshotfirst

Except the whole burning down of Teldrassil.

[MCMLXXXII]

Except the whole burning down of Teldrassil.

So you already have the timeline at your disposal?

[Arrashi]

Except the whole burning down of Teldrassil.

And how do you know what happened first ? Oh yeah, making shit up on the go.

[MHMabrito]

1. No, it's not.
2. Perhaps in the Alliance army.
3. Remember how the entire Alliance ran away and left their King to die?

You forgot the "without good reason" in there. The Horde was already getting overrun, they had no choice and no way of actually helping the Alliance.

Except they weren't fellow soldiers. Basicly just an uneasy temporary coalition.

They weren't "fellow" soldiers and the Horde isn't ruled by the Alliance.

Good, so you all agree they hold no respect for each other, and that they did indeed leave Varian behind. Guess we also forgot what Lok'tar ogar means..

[Mukki]

And how do you know what happened first ? Oh yeah, making shit up on the go.

That wasn't my intent. We don't know who shot first, Alex even said as much. You were saying Alliance shot first, which is you actually being the one making shit up on the go.

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So you already have the timeline at your disposal?

But we do know that Teldrassil was burnt down and we don't know which of the two events happened first, so it's foolish to assume that the Alliance attacked first when it could go either way.

[Arrashi]

That wasn't my intent. We don't know who shot first, Alex even said as much. You were saying Alliance shot first, which is you actually being the one making shit up on the go.

But we do know that Teldrassil was burnt down and we don't know which of the two events happened first, so it's foolish to assume that the Alliance attacked first when it could go either way.

You cut with a dull edge of knife don't you ? My post was a joke. It references a long running meme of #handshotfirst, which originated from movie star wars and directors cut of said movie which would alter a scene of shooting betwen characters han solo and greedo.

Do i need to explain joke in more detail ?

[Blamblam41]

Three words: Old God Corruption

Three words: Try something new.

[Wilian]

You mean that steaming pile of rotten land that all the living fled from?

Dunno, Hillsbrad was quite lively before Forsaken started testing with their plague (Vanilla-through WotLK) and then eradicated Southshore.