NATO SCANDAL: Personal Depictes "Atatürk" and "Erdogan" As Enemies

[Acidbaron]

Despite the source, the notion that they are vastly different and that erdogan is undoing what ataturk put in place is correct.

Secular state and all that.

[Kellhound]

1: Erdogan is destroying that which Ataturk made.
2: Turkey already is thumbing its nose and potentially threatening the safety of NATO with its decision to buy Russian SAMs.
3: Erdogan needs to learn to not get butt hurt so easily.

[Granyala]

Oh the HORROR... QQ
Some people need to get a grip.

In case of Edrogan: well deserved, we'd be better off if that particular person would be put out of office sooner rather than later.

[Gref]

Yeah this has been on the local news for 2 days now.
Nato gave erdogan a wonderful present. He and all his sucker media is going nuts over nato right now. Talking all high and mighty.
Seriously...why would this happen now.

Also it is completely understandable that erdogan is portrayed in that way.

But Ataturk... now hold up! you don't do it to Ataturk. That man is a military and political genius.

[Kuntantee]

To be fair, Turkey's constantly harassing and irritating along the air and maritime borders with Greece, and violating Greek air space, but NATO never does anything about it.

They will keep doing nothing about it because NATO is not about protecting Greece or Turkey, it's about having logistic bases for USA's ME meddlings.

- - - Updated - - -

Despite the source, the notion that they are vastly different and that erdogan is undoing what ataturk put in place is correct.

Secular state and all that.

They put Ataturk picture to target as well.

- - - Updated - - -

Yeah this has been on the local news for 2 days now.
Nato gave erdogan a wonderful present. He and all his sucker media is going nuts over nato right now. Talking all high and mighty.
Seriously...why would this happen now.

Also it is completely understandable that erdogan is portrayed in that way.

But Ataturk... now hold up! you don't do it to Ataturk. That man is a military and political genius.

I completely disagree with you here. You can't even put Erdogan there. He's the head of state, whether we like it or not and putting his image there in a joint NATO drill is an insult to Turkey.

- - - Updated - - -

Overreacting much?
Also, if you leave NATO, where will you go? Join Russia? Almost funny.
Ah, remember, Greece would still be in NATO, so any stupid shit on borders would not pass so easily then.
P.S.
You can't build arsenal of the same quality, don't dream about impossible things. Maybe after 40 or so years. You don't have resources or experience for that.
Jet fighters are stupidly expensive and you need more than just that.

We will be fine. As for Greece's "air space" issue, nothing will change. NATO is free to engage with Turkey.

[Flurryfang]

See... This is bait...

[Acidbaron]

They put Ataturk picture to target as well.

Than i have more understanding for your anger towards this. But i do think this getting blown up a bit the relationship with the west has been going downhill for a while, i really doubt this will do much more, Erdogan has already painted the west as an upcoming third reich, will people really care about this for more than 2 to 3 days, a week perhaps of political outrage and bickering, but not much more.

[Kuntantee]

1: Erdogan is destroying that which Ataturk made.
2: Turkey already is thumbing its nose and potentially threatening the safety of NATO with its decision to buy Russian SAMs.
3: Erdogan needs to learn to not get butt hurt so easily.

Greece bought SAMs as well. It's not a huge issue. You gotta suck it. Diversifying Turkish Air Defense Systems is a good thing.

[Perkunas]

Ataturk would have had Erdogan executed to be perfectly honest.

[Skroe]

Greece bought SAMs as well. It's not a huge issue. You gotta suck it. Diversifying Turkish Air Defense Systems is a good thing.

Said nobody ever.

The entire point of an integrated air defense system is, you know, interoperable integration of sensors, control system and weapons. A system of systems, all working as one, like an organism. Where all the sensors can create a digital image of the battle space and can dynamically allocate resources to address threats faster than the human brain can. The whole Starcraft "gods eye": view of the military situation? That's an enormous technical challenge that's been progressively attacked over the past 40 years. Integrated Air Defense are one of the cornerstones of that.

So you have a bunch of Western Radars that communicate one way, and interoperate with other systems that are designed to operate with that. Then you have this weird Russian piece of shit that communicates with nothing? Suddenly your Integrated Air Defense isn't integrated. And you've taken an enormous leap back to the 1960s. Now all a country needs to do is punch a hole in part protected by the Russian system.

But go ahead. Waste your money.

[Danner]

Imagine some far-left radical putting up a trump-is-a-pig poster anonymously on a multinational NATO event.
Nobody would be terribly surprised. Fire the person responsible if known, move on. Not the kind of thing supposed to happen in a military gig.

Now imagine the same poster also featuring a George-Washington-is-a-pig picture.
Eh?

That's just weird, right?
You'd have to think like an american to even consider doing attacking George Washington for anything.
He's a non-person in any other country's history lessons.
And yet you'd not find a single american anywhere who would actually consider doing that kind of insult, what would that achieve anyway?

I do not think I have the full story of what is going on here. You'd have to look to Armenia for someone who disliked ataturk.
Yet all the news stories say the person responsible was of turkish origin.

Oh well. People looking for an insult will always find one. Woe be poor bullied Erdogran, I guess?

[Deleted]

I don't really see the problem when you had one Norwegian soldier putting those faces there. One soldier does not represent the entire NATO.

[Gref]

@Kuntantee bro dont get me wrong, it is a scandal that a leader of a country is made target. What is understandable is people are so fucking hating him that they make him into a target.

Why no other nations head is not target there but erdogan? He should ask himself. But he and akp is the best at deflecting.

[Kuntantee]

Said nobody ever.

The entire point of an integrated air defense system is, you know, interoperable integration of sensors, control system and weapons. A system of systems, all working as one, like an organism. Where all the sensors can create a digital image of the battle space and can dynamically allocate resources to address threats faster than the human brain can. The whole Starcraft "gods eye": view of the military situation? That's an enormous technical challenge that's been progressively attacked over the past 40 years. Integrated Air Defense are one of the cornerstones of that.

So you have a bunch of Western Radars that communicate one way, and interoperate with other systems that are designed to operate with that. Then you have this weird Russian piece of shit that communicates with nothing? Suddenly your Integrated Air Defense isn't integrated. And you've taken an enormous leap back to the 1960s. Now all a country needs to do is punch a hole in part protected by the Russian system.

But go ahead. Waste your money.

Turkish battle informatics systems are home developed. We are using our own battle systems. It can be easily modified for non-NATO stuff.

[Valerean]

Is this system the same much-vaunted S-400 that Russia threatened to shut down Syrian airspace with? (which deterred the US so much that they gave Russian troops an hour to GTFO before flattening a Syrian airbase lol...)

Might want to ask for your money back. Just ask India what their experience with Russia overstating the effectiveness of their equipment is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

[rowaasr13]

It is being reported elsewhere:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...rk-enemy-chart
Erdogan is a piece of garbage, but this kind of thing just helps him create the false impression that Turkey is being attacked rather than himself, to rally support to his cause.

It might come as surprise to you, but when you attack a leader supported by country, you DO attack country as well.

[Skroe]

Turkish battle informatics systems are home developed. We are using our own battle systems. It can be easily modified for non-NATO stuff.

Ah yes. If there is one thing Turkey is known for, it is competitive battle informatics software. I truly hope my first roommate (who was Turkish) in college back when is working on it. He only was suspended after the first two semesters for too much Starcraft and too shit grades. A+ software engineers yo. So maybe he was preparing with his Brood War addiction.

But I digress... you're spewing nonsense.

Turkish territory is covered by NATINADS, the NATO integrated Air Defense System. There are dozens of radars, sensors and control stations all over Europe and the North Atlantic.

https://www.nato.int/cps/ua/natohq/topics_8206.htm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_I...Defense_System

All NATO air defense missiles in Turkey are tied directly into NATINADS. You don't even have sole-nation control over it. It's an alliance function.

But I suppose we should thank you. It'll allow the US to get yet another upclose look at Russian crap.

- - - Updated - - -

Is this system the same much-vaunted S-400 that Russia threatened to shut down Syrian airspace with? (which deterred the US so much that they gave Russian troops an hour to GTFO before flattening a Syrian airbase lol...)

Might want to ask for your money back. Just ask India what their experience with Russia overstating the effectiveness of their equipment is.


Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

Yep. Same old Russian crap.

[Easo]

We will be fine. As for Greece's "air space" issue, nothing will change. NATO is free to engage with Turkey.

You will be fine without the know-how?

Yeah... Like NATO engaging Turkey would end well for the latter one...
What would happen is that some jets get shot down and a shouting match ensues. After that numbers of border incidents suddenly drop.

[rowaasr13]

But I suppose we should thank you. It'll allow the US to get yet another upclose look at Russian crap.

Many of US-raised goatfuckers already had first hand experience with "looking at Russian crap" in Syria. Very, very close, as it was homing at them and just before spreading their brains all around. Do you need any other details to look at?

- - - Updated - - -

Is this system the same much-vaunted S-400 that Russia threatened to shut down Syrian airspace with? (which deterred the US so much that they gave Russian troops an hour to GTFO before flattening a Syrian airbase lol...)

Oh, that "flattening" when base resumed operation next day? That might of exceptional nation of America's army is just beyond any wildest imagination!

[Deleted]

No other agencies seems reporting it, or no-one mentions this so here it is. This is not something to be washed off by just firing an officer and apologizing.

https://sputniknews.com/europe/20171...erdogan-enemy/

Wikipedia is more trustworthy than Sputniknews!