Why are male night elves so ugly?

[Andromedes]

the reality of all this is that the nightborne are in the horde because of the players of the alliance, they asked for so long the elf model of blood that in the end they were given and to balance gave to the nightborne horde.
I read many times to alliance players saying that the horde must be given nightborne so they can have the blood elf model, long before the allied races are announced.

The reality is, that we dont know what blizzard's intentions are. And why they make their decisions. Also most of alliance players didnt ask for blood elf models, but for high elf race.. Even when blood elf models didnt exist back then.

[Rhlor]

The reality is, that we dont know what blizzard's intentions are. And why they make their decisions. Also most of alliance players didnt ask for blood elf models, but for high elf race.. Even when blood elf models didnt exist back then.

high elves use the blood elves model

[Andromedes]

Thanks for stating obvious.

[Nihilan]

high elves use the blood elves model

Other way around. There are high elf npcs in BWL that predate Blood Elfs.

[Evaddon]

Its ''they Look like women and they smell like hell'' friend

Well son of a bitch!
I heard lemons and cows lmao, all these years! That makes much more sense

[Mace]

the reality of all this is that the nightborne are in the horde because of the players of the alliance, they asked for so long the elf model of blood that in the end they were given and to balance gave to the nightborne horde.
I read many times to alliance players saying that the horde must be given nightborne so they can have the blood elf model, long before the allied races are announced.

Yep, I agree on that one. BLizzard must have also felt the horde getting nightborne was the only thing good enough to trade. It did screw with the night elf restoration story big time, they've got nothing new to them, and remain still boring druid tree huggers, which is why I have left them an now will focus on the horde where the aspect of the night elves I liked the most, i.e. the kaldorei empire arcane bits, are available in the nightborne. Ofc as others have mentioned, blizzard could decide to restore and raise their highborne to fill the role the nightborne were intended to give the night elves, and end up with a situation where you have the nightborne equivalent on the alliance in the highborne who are already with the night elves (or you have the highborne equivalent on the horde in the nightborne if you go from that perspective) So whiles they lost the cool new models, they also do get some progression in their state of affairs and story, getting to develop too because they've had the highborne who are essentially the same thing.

Highborne and nightborne would be similar to what void elf and blood elf are like. That would actually I think satisfy a lot of night elf fans without taking away the joy of the horde for having nightborne. I also hear Suramar is going to be shared anyway, with alliance players able to access it. IF they're doing that I can totally see the story causing the night elves with the highborne, now expelled from Kalimdor also moving into the city with the nightborne, would be interesting if they write it such that the conflict between the horde and the alliance is not allowed in the ancient home of the night elves and nightborne.

Sort of like a sanctuary elven city, recognising it is the night elven ancient home too and recognising their right seeing they helped build it and defend it 3 times, twice in the War of the Ancients and again in the 3rd and final Legion invasion. Maybe it can serve as a launch pad for the elven peace story line which blizzard can now write a soap opera over. The alliance night elves having the highborne, and the horde in this story due to the nightborne. Could be interesting. Some good posts on EU/US official forums about this.

[huth]

The reality is, that we dont know what blizzard's intentions are. And why they make their decisions. Also most of alliance players didnt ask for blood elf models, but for high elf race.. Even when blood elf models didnt exist back then.

Most Alliance players didn't ask for either. Besides, they're technically the same thing anyway.

[Rhlor]

Yep, I agree on that one. BLizzard must have also felt the horde getting nightborne was the only thing good enough to trade. It did screw with the night elf restoration story big time, they've got nothing new to them, and remain still boring druid tree huggers, which is why I have left them an now will focus on the horde where the aspect of the night elves I liked the most, i.e. the kaldorei empire arcane bits, are available in the nightborne. Ofc as others have mentioned, blizzard could decide to restore and raise their highborne to fill the role the nightborne were intended to give the night elves, and end up with a situation where you have the nightborne equivalent on the alliance in the highborne who are already with the night elves (or you have the highborne equivalent on the horde in the nightborne if you go from that perspective) So whiles they lost the cool new models, they also do get some progression in their state of affairs and story, getting to develop too because they've had the highborne who are essentially the same thing.

Highborne and nightborne would be similar to what void elf and blood elf are like. That would actually I think satisfy a lot of night elf fans without taking away the joy of the horde for having nightborne. I also hear Suramar is going to be shared anyway, with alliance players able to access it. IF they're doing that I can totally see the story causing the night elves with the highborne, now expelled from Kalimdor also moving into the city with the nightborne, would be interesting if they write it such that the conflict between the horde and the alliance is not allowed in the ancient home of the night elves and nightborne.

Sort of like a sanctuary elven city, recognising it is the night elven ancient home too and recognising their right seeing they helped build it and defend it 3 times, twice in the War of the Ancients and again in the 3rd and final Legion invasion. Maybe it can serve as a launch pad for the elven peace story line which blizzard can now write a soap opera over. The alliance night elves having the highborne, and the horde in this story due to the nightborne. Could be interesting. Some good posts on EU/US official forums about this.

You know that what I always want is the union of all the elves! That's my greatest desire !!

unfortunately on the side of the alliance they are very focused on humans! giving human players what they always wanted! the ancient human cities: gilneas, stromgarde, kultiras, etc.

I hope that with the appearance of azshara in the future it will be enough to make the elves fight together against their biggest enemy

[Varolyn]

Other way around. There are high elf npcs in BWL that predate Blood Elfs.

Those guys used Nelf wireframes in vanilla. They were updated to the "Belf" model when BC came out. You can actually see the old High elf models in ghostlands today, in that one town full of ghost elves.

[Deleted]

My theory is that game designers are a bunch of fantasy lesbian porn enthusiasts who want to encourage people to play hot elf chicks.

That's what I would... *cough* I mean, nevermind.

[Video Games]

Boys are ugly. Yeah i said it

[aluswina]

nelf male need a rework but for me is the only race that looks agile and fit the druid transmog the best
i dont roll females characters

[cparle87]

Other way around. There are high elf npcs in BWL that predate Blood Elfs.

Before BC high elves and blood elves used a recolored night elf model, and the males were hideous.

https://wow.gamepedia.com/File:Lothos_Riftwaker_Old.jpg

[Mace]

You know that what I always want is the union of all the elves! That's my greatest desire !!

unfortunately on the side of the alliance they are very focused on humans! giving human players what they always wanted! the ancient human cities: gilneas, stromgarde, kultiras, etc.

I hope that with the appearance of azshara in the future it will be enough to make the elves fight together against their biggest enemy

Yes they are sadly, and this change of directions need to be handled better. Currently Thalyssra is behaving very differently by allying with the horde than she was in 7.0 - especially if it means her allegiance with the horde forces her to kill night elves.

If blizzard want to stay true to the night elf loving nightborne who revere themselves etc, then they will have to paint Thalyssra as a friend of the blood elves but a voice that constantly speaks up against Sylvannas' war mongering ambitions but more than that, actively seeks to be a bridge to the elven people.

She could start by opening up Suramar to the night elves, vowing not to take part in any unjust actions done by Sylvannas unless they are absolutely merited. It's either that or they turn Thalyssra into an Elisande, who scorns the other elves for not maintaining the empire and rebuilding it, especially the night elves whom she expected much more from but failed to understand why they chose to adopt that position... carrying on the arrogant kaldorei pre-sundering view of vast superior to everyone - which she cannot really hold if hse's allied with the blood elves, cos technically she should view blood/high elves as inferior because of their minor devolution when they were exiled and made that crippling journey to Quel'thalas. It's really not a good thing to change a character very much loved in the 7.0 storyline to fit into this everyone in the horde must hate everyone in the alliance bi faction conflict.

And thus it speaks to the larger problem, developing the story with respect to the factions and not the races. They should have always developed the story based on the races first, and faction second. They have great races, with good variation, great backgrounds, everything, some good starter stories, you name it, they are a far more interesting prospect an it's the rae the players invest in, why dumb them down just to write a binary story? Ignoring juicy and dramatic complexities shoving aside to make way only for the horde race versus the alliance race? Maybe writing 13 concurrent stories is unfeasible, however you don't need to do that to make race the prominent factor now do you - expansion themes do highlight certain races, and their roles should be strong giving the focus on them primarily rather than roping in the faction just cos its the faction. Only doing so where appropirate, would rather have had the story of racex and race y, then race c and race d in the next expansion - and the many interesting interactions that would occur - then crescendo into an all out war expansion like BFA, before breaking it up again and cchanging the natur eof relationships between certain groups.

Not everyone in the alliance should love every race, nor everyone in the horde hate everyone in the opposite faction - and for crying out loud, choose good outcomes people would love to have - e.g. don't make void elves hate high elves or night elves when you know your fans would much appreciate them working together and hold a promise of a brighter future for later - those motivations are always powerful in likeable stories - good endings, brighter futures, hope especially after great tragedy, great loss. You normally start with the loss or the tragedy so you can build up a good story that motivates your players to now quest or beat the crap out of the perps as the downtrodden group gains something major back. So if you knock night elves way down you have to write them up - not ignore them and use them as cliche victim baits to start revenge wars or show how x,y, z and more powerful - one just gets fed up of the crap - and wonders why, when you could do so much better.

I am a big fan of more focus on the races, and the story of the races, every expasnion should have a race perspective especially if they ran the races like they did the classes for LEgion. ANd it's sad that class order halls won't issue class specific quests anymore, that was a goo move and gave you something differnt ot look forward too if you switched a class, lore you hadn't experienced.

[Charge me Doctor]

Probably because they are elves. I don't find any sort of elves to be any good honestly.

[united]

Thanks for stating obvious.

you’re welcome

[ornichi]

'we were kicked out of silvermoon and we're dark' sure if you say so.

Their connection with Void, which is assumed to be the next main baddie of Warcraft universe, might be a great factor for development of a really good story (aka illidari vs fel, paladins vs scourge).
Furthermore, we have Lightforged draenei, who not only represent the opposite force, but can furthermore be a backgroud for a possible inside conflict in the Alliance, thing we lacked for a really long time (since dwarven conflicts afaik).

What do highmountain and nightborne offer Horde? From what I've seen, nothing but small capital hubs.

[Andromedes]

Most Alliance players didn't ask for either. Besides, they're technically the same thing anyway.

I hear on this forum, that high elves would cause massive faction imbalance. Someone must ask for them. And someone must vote for them on polls on allied races, where they are mostly on the first place.

[kibil]

Yeah, they are really disgusting! And the worst part is I made a DH this xpack just to check it out and turns out that I loved that class (like to be my main alt) and now it's a despicable NE, very very UGH and I really dont want to spend real money to at least put it to a FEMALE version of the NE. Fucking sad, I wish so much DH could be anything else but the UGH NE...

[Rhlor]

Yes they are sadly, and this change of directions need to be handled better. Currently Thalyssra is behaving very differently by allying with the horde than she was in 7.0 - especially if it means her allegiance with the horde forces her to kill night elves.

If blizzard want to stay true to the night elf loving nightborne who revere themselves etc, then they will have to paint Thalyssra as a friend of the blood elves but a voice that constantly speaks up against Sylvannas' war mongering ambitions but more than that, actively seeks to be a bridge to the elven people.

She could start by opening up Suramar to the night elves, vowing not to take part in any unjust actions done by Sylvannas unless they are absolutely merited. It's either that or they turn Thalyssra into an Elisande, who scorns the other elves for not maintaining the empire and rebuilding it, especially the night elves whom she expected much more from but failed to understand why they chose to adopt that position... carrying on the arrogant kaldorei pre-sundering view of vast superior to everyone - which she cannot really hold if hse's allied with the blood elves, cos technically she should view blood/high elves as inferior because of their minor devolution when they were exiled and made that crippling journey to Quel'thalas. It's really not a good thing to change a character very much loved in the 7.0 storyline to fit into this everyone in the horde must hate everyone in the alliance bi faction conflict.

And thus it speaks to the larger problem, developing the story with respect to the factions and not the races. They should have always developed the story based on the races first, and faction second. They have great races, with good variation, great backgrounds, everything, some good starter stories, you name it, they are a far more interesting prospect an it's the rae the players invest in, why dumb them down just to write a binary story? Ignoring juicy and dramatic complexities shoving aside to make way only for the horde race versus the alliance race? Maybe writing 13 concurrent stories is unfeasible, however you don't need to do that to make race the prominent factor now do you - expansion themes do highlight certain races, and their roles should be strong giving the focus on them primarily rather than roping in the faction just cos its the faction. Only doing so where appropirate, would rather have had the story of racex and race y, then race c and race d in the next expansion - and the many interesting interactions that would occur - then crescendo into an all out war expansion like BFA, before breaking it up again and cchanging the natur eof relationships between certain groups.

Not everyone in the alliance should love every race, nor everyone in the horde hate everyone in the opposite faction - and for crying out loud, choose good outcomes people would love to have - e.g. don't make void elves hate high elves or night elves when you know your fans would much appreciate them working together and hold a promise of a brighter future for later - those motivations are always powerful in likeable stories - good endings, brighter futures, hope especially after great tragedy, great loss. You normally start with the loss or the tragedy so you can build up a good story that motivates your players to now quest or beat the crap out of the perps as the downtrodden group gains something major back. So if you knock night elves way down you have to write them up - not ignore them and use them as cliche victim baits to start revenge wars or show how x,y, z and more powerful - one just gets fed up of the crap - and wonders why, when you could do so much better.

I am a big fan of more focus on the races, and the story of the races, every expasnion should have a race perspective especially if they ran the races like they did the classes for LEgion. ANd it's sad that class order halls won't issue class specific quests anymore, that was a goo move and gave you something differnt ot look forward too if you switched a class, lore you hadn't experienced.

I agree, people like their races more than the faction, that's why they play with that race and not with another.
tell the story of the race like they told the story of the class in legion would have been much better