Titanforged:. Stay or Remove from game?

[Deleted]

Like a lot of the people here I would really like for it to be removed. It's the main reason i cancelled my sub halfway through mythic ToS.

[hulkgor]

I'd remove it entirely.

I like warforge with the 5 ilvl max as a 'proc'\bonus, alongside the possibility of a socket for a gem, but titanforged is completely out of whack.

Then people start raid tiers with an item level 15-25 above what's supposed\intended and just faceroll content. Good times. That was the main issue behind Emerald Nightmare's undertuning and the reason behind massive overtunes on some raids\bosses, to try and counter those player power increases. It's also a source of frustration when same class guildie gets their BIS trinket with a 50 ilvl increase and you get an average one, woohooo, fun times ahead.

[yamienigma]

the problem is the people that are offended that someone managed to get something nice outside of a raid.

[Accendor]

If im farming older content for Ap i would like a small chance at an upgrade. They should just nerf last tier trinkets and this would not be a problem.

No, they should not do that.
1. If a piece of item is not OP in raid A, it can not be OP in raid B. If it is, adjust new pieces of gear, never the old ones. If it is too strong in the current tier, ok, go ahead.
2. It is GOOD to have a reason to go back to older raids, e.g. farming CoV is fun and rewarding. It is in no way necessary to beat current raids, but it gives something meaningful to do between actuall progression.

[izayoi80]

Personally, I like it. It gives me a reason to run mythic+ over and over and over again, other than for the sheer enjoyment of it.

[Deleted]

Personally, I like it. It gives me a reason to run mythic+ over and over and over again, other than for the sheer enjoyment of it.

Erm.. You like it because it forces you to do things that are not enjoyable?

[Mitobunny]

I think it'd be nice if it wasn't possible on the highest ilvls but still made it useful for running older stuff and catching up (also leveling bonuses).

[Mlz]

the problem is the people that are offended that someone managed to get something nice outside of a raid.

I've gotten 'something nice' on pretty much every single character I play (I only raid/pug HC on one char, on others I rarely bother with LFR) and I hate TF with passion. It creates far more problems than it solves (see the daily thread about people crying that they are not invited to anything even with decent ilvls - ye, no shit they aren't when the majority of them are garbage-tier regardless of the fact that they are finally handed free gear left and right - people raiding mainly normal/occasional HC ToS were worse geared than those who just grinded relinquished tokens despite the fact that the latter were almost universally less skilled in an equal scenario; also, character 'powerfulness' being quite heavily tied to a RNG makes at least me feel quite disconnected from my characters - like there is no linear and meaningful progression, everything just feels so all over the place and random).

[Deleted]

Titanforging does NOT exist as a "catchup" mechanic (sure, it is a side effect.) The entire point of TF is to KEEP CONTENT RELEVANT and encourage people to run old and/or "lower than their ilvl" content and still feel like they could be rewarded. Raid loggers and Type-A competitive players hate TF'ing because it "forces" them to play the game for more than a few hours per week...for everyone else, TF'ing is great.

Agree on this fully.
Personally, I like RNG in Legion, therefore I like TF.

[Accendor]

Maybe cap it 5/10 ilvls below the next tier of content. And let it only occur once you've hit a certain threshold like the ilvl of the current raid.

Then it would not do what it is intended to do: Give you a reason to do older content.

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Erm.. You like it because it forces you to do things that are not enjoyable?

Well, for me M+ is enjoyable - as long as there are rewards.

[rpdrichard]

the problem is the people that are offended that someone managed to get something nice outside of a raid.

This is why I like the system, what I´d like to see removed is versatility on items.

[Accendor]

I think it'd be nice if it wasn't possible on the highest ilvls but still made it useful for running older stuff and catching up (also leveling bonuses).

That is not what it is intended for and would give you no reason to try to get it.

[izayoi80]

Erm.. You like it because it forces you to do things that are not enjoyable?

No, I like it because it makes what I like doing in the game even more interesting.

[Dystemper]

Remove it and Warforge. Its Cancer for the game

[RobertMugabe]

I actually do agree with this... just have it warforged max and that's it.

I would even support the idea of bringing back valor as we had it in MoP and WoD where you could upgrade your gear (and maybe you could purchase some additional stuff with valor)

[Mitobunny]

That is not what it is intended for and would give you no reason to try to get it.

Yeah that's kind of my point, it shouldn't be used to "try and get it". The intention behind it was to put a bit of excitement behind a drop, which is devalued if your farming for it. If there had to be some sort of upgrading system, I'd rather just see an ilvl token drop thing instead.

[Cracked]

Remove.

The reason given for Titanforging was that you felt compelled to do old content, eg if a friend asked you to run a mythic 0 dungeon, you would have a chance of having that OMG moment of getting +90 titanforge.

Spoiler: If it wasn't for AP or Legendaries, you wouldn't do that content anyway. So in that regard, it failed completely. +5 or even +10 is fine.

[Holofernes]

yeah i came back yesterday from a 2 week hiatus. My work didnt allow me to take part in teh first two weeks of antorus. i got a m+14 965 relic in my weekly chest, and i got a 965 bis neck from normal boss. i cleared the instance an normal, and minus the set pieces and the 965 tf neck nothing was interesting at all. Titanforging makes you run this shit on normal even if u cleared it on mythic, thats stupid.

[Flurryfang]

I doubt it'll ever go away. It's an elegant way to "nerf" content over time without needing zone buffs.

(On top of the replay value and psychological reasons for RNG drops)

I would more say it is the easy/lazy way to nerf content over time. Its not smart, it is not elegant, it is a feature, which tumbles around the shop, trying to get its job done, but keeps knocking cups, plates and porcelain on the floor.

[Matthias]

I actually like Titanforging. Warforging I was totally indifferent towards. Titanforging gives you a reason to do stuff, you otherwise might not do. But it also doesn't feel mandatory since your gambling on a rather small chance.

Titanforging is only really an issue for Mythic Raiders, in such a case I feel like there should be a system similar to MoP for Mythic Raiders to upgrade their gear.