Do you think Cannabis is illegal for sinister reasons?

[Halyon]

No, I think it's illegal for dumbass reasons. Legal and medically regulated/distributed cannabis would be a huge boon to society, people with illnesses that can be alleviated by it, and it'd put part of the drug trade out of business. Not a huge part, but it's secondary to health benefits to people.

[Khaza-R]

You don't think the Pharmaceutical Industry are lobbying to keep it illegal when the oil can work better for some patients than 5-7 prescription drugs do combined?

No doubt. However, I was under the impression the OP was asking why it was made illegal in the first place

[Lochton]

Title.

More specifically that if Cannabis ends up being a miracle drug that it would make the entire pharma industry and a lot of doctors look either very stupid or corrupt.

Nope, sorry, sounds too much of conspiracy and tin foil.

[Anevers]

What qualifications does Adam have?

A good research team. Citations and sources for every claim in that episode.

[Blamblam41]

Considering the research the U.S. military has done that's proved without a shadow of uncertainty that cannabis is safe that dates back to WWII, the amount of people and cultures that were using cannabis (have plenty of bottles of cannabis tincture from the Oregon Trail days and that's just in the United States) and the scientific research outside of the United States that affirms the military's research.

The only reason cannabis is federally illegal is because it is an easy to grow painkiller that blacks, Mexicans and hippies commonly smoked during the 1960s. Any state representative or government figure telling you otherwise is just looking to continue profiting off the broken system as it stands, especially if their name has an (R) next to it.

Cannabis, however, is not some miracle drug. It's simply a non-addictive painkiller that is effective at soothing multiple different types of pain with minimal side effects. If you think we don't need something like that, I fucking disagree and point to this shitty meth/heroine epidemic even the dipshit orange cheetoh realizes is a problem.

[Deleted]

Yes. But not because it is a miracle drug. There are multiple industries with an interest in keeping weed illegal.

[Shadee]

How is this thread still open? Conspiracy threads are forbidden.

[Naffy]

No it doesn't. Recent studies have shown it's at best as effective as current seizure medications. The whole curing children's epilepsy nonsense is myth. The science doesn't exist.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0524131139.htm

https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treat...a-and-epilepsy

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ptic-seizures/

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...featured_home&

Please tell us all again how recent studies show its at best as effective as current medicines. Cited among the 4 articles above are situations where adults and children were non responsive to other seizure medications, and then when exposed to lab grade CBD resulted in a 50% reduction in seizures.

So please, again, tell us who use it for this purpose that it has no medical value compared to one of the drugs

OT; Its sinister in so much as what other have cited. A political decision which has prevented safe industry from existing, and safer alternative medicines to its people

[Vargulf the Happy Husky]

absolutely no reason for it to be illegal, especially if its locally homegrown. which most weed is now.

it's illegal to keep minor offenders in the prison system because the prisons are all for profit businesses. sucks for us, really bad.

it was originally lobbied to be made illegal back in like the 1920's by a major paper manufacturer. they saw the threat that hemp paper posed to their product.

shit is rather sad actually. oh well. I GOT A FAT SACK NEWAYZZZZZ

[PL-Cibo]

Title.

More specifically that if Cannabis ends up being a miracle drug that it would make the entire pharma industry and a lot of doctors look either very stupid or corrupt.

if thats your definition of sinister, then nope.

[Requimortem]

It's illegal because people are stupid and need the government to prevent them from harming themselves/others faster than they already do.

[derpkitteh]

yes, but not any conspiracy shit.

it's illegal because corporations want it to be, and some racists in the 60's wanted it to be.

[McFuu]

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...0524131139.htm

https://www.epilepsy.com/learn/treat...a-and-epilepsy

https://www.scientificamerican.com/a...ptic-seizures/

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056...featured_home&

Please tell us all again how recent studies show its at best as effective as current medicines. Cited among the 4 articles above are situations where adults and children were non responsive to other seizure medications, and then when exposed to lab grade CBD resulted in a 50% reduction in seizures.

So please, again, tell us who use it for this purpose that it has no medical value compared to one of the drugs

OT; Its sinister in so much as what other have cited. A political decision which has prevented safe industry from existing, and safer alternative medicines to its people

Yes, wow you got me with your superior reading comprehension. I addressed this in my first post, where it's an alternative to some drugs that for some reason are ineffective. That 50% reduction is over an untreated condition. Since those articles don't seem to have how much the proper medication reduces seizures over untreated people.

So my original point remains, it's not a miracle drug, it isn't curing people, and recent evidence suggests it likely isn't as effective as current drugs, but it can work as an alternative for people who are resistant.

[Logwyn]

Like others above hinted, at least in the USA, it largely boiled down (originally) to the tobacco and cotton lobbies. Tobacco is difficult to grow, and has to be carefully dried to be smoked properly. Marijuana really doesn't; it's called "weed" for a reason (yes, GOOD weed takes more care, but the point remains). Hemp fibers (related to marijuana) grow faster than cotton, with less effort, is harvested more easily, and the fibers are both softer to the touch and stronger.

So established industry stamped down the new threat to their industrial empires. Not sure if you want to label that "sinister", but it was definitely BS.

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And we probably all know at least one drunk, who has the same issue with alcohol.

So why's alcohol not just legal but borderline fetishized, and marijuana faces constant legal persecution?

Because we tried that in the 1920s in the states and it did not turn out so well...... makes you wonder why it took a Constitutional Amendment for alcohol but not for all the other drugs out there.... hmmmm...

[tkioz]

No. It was made illegal for dubious reasons in a lot of places, but the reason it stays illegal is 90+ years of cultural inertia. And honestly the pro-weed people haven't done themselves any favours for the most part. They exaggerate far too much. It's only recently when non-smokers have advanced practical reasons (dropping crime, increasing revenue, etc) that people have started to listen.

[Rukario]

I do think most drugs remain illegal for sinester reasons...however i'd call the one you mentioned silly instead of sinester.

As for the reason most illegal drugs remain that way, it's quite simple actually...the druglords pay politicians to keep things as they are.
They have the money and they want to keep the market under their control.

[Orlong]

What qualifications does Adam have?

None. Hes just a socialist millennial with a TV show that couldn't get on a network any better than TrueTV who is good with propaganda, just like how he claims marijuana hasn't killed anyone which while true if you only look at overdoses is completely false when you start adding up all the deaths due to people crashing their cars while driving stoned, dying to things like falling off a roof because they were cleaning the gutter stoned and lost their balance, etc...

[Draco-Onis]

None. Hes just a socialist millennial with a TV show that couldn't get on a network any better than TrueTV who is good with propaganda, just like how he claims marijuana hasn't killed anyone which while true if you only look at overdoses is completely false when you start adding up all the deaths due to people crashing their cars while driving stoned, dying to things like falling off a roof because they were cleaning the gutter stoned and lost their balance, etc...

Does this mean you are for banning alcohol? because alcohol has caused far more deaths in those instances than anything else. Also who the hell cleans their gutters while on any kind of drugs?

[Orlong]

And we probably all know at least one drunk, who has the same issue with alcohol.

So why's alcohol not just legal but borderline fetishized, and marijuana faces constant legal persecution?

Ive been for the banning of alcohol for decades. It kills more people than nearly anything else and its the cause for 40% of crimes.

https://www.ncadd.org/about-addictio...rugs-and-crime

Alcohol is a factor in 40% of all violent crimes today, and according to the Department of Justice, 37% of almost 2 million convicted offenders currently in jail, report that they were drinking at the time of their arrest.

[Louisa Bannon]

Yes, but not for it being a “miracle drug”

The history of marijuana being illegal in the US is largely due to racism, scientific illiteracy and greed from the tobacco industry. All things I would define as sinister

This is pretty much spot on. Lots of things in the U.S. are the way they are entirely because it benefits the few against the many. Yet somehow many of you keep voting as if this isn't a verifiable fact.