Doctor Accused Of Spiking Pregnant Girlfriend’s Tea With Abortion Pill

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It's his body, his choice to abort.

I have no idea what “botily autotilotty” is, so you may well be right.

Obviously I am.

If you think that you are retarded. It would be the same as. If you dont want to give me your kidney i have the right to put you under and take it by myself because i dont want to be on a wait list or to pay someone to give it to me.

Retarded fuck robbed her of her kid, if she was my sister i would torture that fuck for months before i would string his corpse on a town square.

So wait a woman who is after a rich guy is a predator but a guys who wants to fuck hot girls is an ok dude and needs to be put on piedestal?

Attempting to defraud someone out of 18 years of payment is a serious crime. Hopefully your sister is more sensible.

That's also horribly misandric attitude you have there. If your not careful you might end up becoming a male sex offender feminist.

We wouldn't have these issues coming up if there was true equality. Sadly we have a long way to go.

[markos82]

So we agree on where I said what he did was wrong.

Take a look, its in a book, its reading rainbow.

If you have sex with someone without protection then you are accountable for your actions, it doesnt matter if you wanted to get pregnant or not, it doesnt matter if you thought you will pull it out in time ( and you have to be stupid to believe that works ) it doest matter what you expect ( no to be a dad ), what important is that its her body so thinking like " oh i said no " and that makes me less responsible is retarded. You are as "guilt' as much as the other person when it comes to having sex and getting pregnant, ofc if its not forced sex or if she used his sperm without his knowledge.

[markos82]

Attempting to defraud someone out of 18 years of payment is a serious crime. Hopefully your sister is more sensible.

That's also horribly misandric attitude you have there. If your not careful you might end up becoming a male sex offender feminist.

We wouldn't have these issues coming up if there was true equality. Sadly we have a long way to go.

And how do you know that? They were in an off and on relationship for 3 years, she got pregnant he moved out, to me that sounds like " I only wanna fuck you and use you body because im a macho man " if it was like that he could ahve payed to get hios dick sucked for far much less money and time invested.

So now i hate man? Ok let me get this right, its an ok for a rich old ugly looking guys ( well they dont have to be ugly and old ) to use girls solely based on how much money they have but when it comes to woman using man for the same reason ( as in for their money ) thats not ok. Tell me would you rather date a woman that has 40kg way too much in her 40s, with 2 kids, and so on or someone that looks like a movie star or like she just got out of porn movie? I dont hate man but double standards are something i hate.

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Yeah, you can't have justified shootings when some of them are considered murder. Anytime someone shoots someone and kills them they're murdering.

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Doesn't work like that. In those cases the person dying has either done something to have justified being shot (i.e commiting a crime and shooting was in self defence, or not done anything at all and been shot). In this arguement. The person or thing (depending on your beliefs) remains constant. It hasn't done anything either way. So whether it is aborted via choice, or aborted without a choice, the effect is still the same. A prevention of a life. Therefore it either is always murder when an abortion is chosen, or it is not murder and this should simply be a case related to the poisoning.

Simply put. A shooting of a person is influenced by the behaviour prior to the shooting of the person being shot. An unborn baby is not asserting an influence and therefore it cannot be compared as you have done to a shooting.

[Exeris]

Personally I think child support will go away eventually, but right now in the US the cost of having a child is insane if one partner doesn't stay at home. So I don't see it going away until that changes.

I think child support should be paid by the state, there are several reasons where there is little or even no money to collect from the father and we also have artificial insemination where there technically is no father.

To make sure all women get the same support and remove it as a cause of conflict it should be the states responsibility, the fighting around child support doesn't benefit the child in anyway either.

[Notshauna]

Lol, right, yea no, men have no saying what so ever. I'm not saying that men should be able to force an abortion, that is you putting up a strawman. So what you are saying is that abortions should not be a thing as clearly the woman that got pregnant consented to sex and thereby any and all things that may happen because of said sex, this is exactly how we treat males now. If you think that paying most of your disposable income to something that you never wanted or asked for then i suggest you go do that. If you are not willing to do that then why do you want to force this on others?

This is totally besides the point, that some woman who for what ever reason decides that its okay for her to go through all that doesn't mean that males should not have a say in if they want to become a parent or not. As i've said, its 100% a choice of a woman to become a parent, and she is able to push this choice on someone who had no say in it.

The irony is palpable, you are actually tried to claim that I made a Strawman argument, which is itself a Strawman argument when used incorrectly. Here's the thing it's only a Strawman when you create a fictional version of the person you are arguing with, which I never did (via conscientious effort). What I responded to is a blatantly false statement where you claimed that fathers have no say in whether they are or aren't a parent, which is possible the most wrong thing ever said. They can try and convince the mother to get an abortion or not, they can try and convince the mother to give up the child to adoption and they can try and get the mother to wave the child support payments, but they can not FORCE them to. There is plenty of say in this, they just don't get the final decision. And even this is ignoring the fact that the father could of chosen not to have penis in vagina sex to male completion on a day where there is a reasonable chance of impregnation. Also I personally wouldn't really call paying child support a parent, but that's more of a personal thing.

As for the consequences of the risk, pregnancy is the consequence for females, I in no way believe that abortion is wrong. The mother has to deal with it whether or not she likes it, whether that means birth or an abortion.

Yes it most certainly is. It doesn't have to involve surgery, and the stigma is only when you choose to tell this to people, and a few pills really aren't all that expensive. Yes, it can be that you need a surgery, that is, if you can't make up your mind and wait to long with the procedure, but that is, again, all her own freaking fault. If we are going "what if land" then i know some nice ones as well, but you really do not want to go there.

It varies wildly depending on where you live and personal circumstances but regardless it's massively harder than choosing not to lose money. For 90% of Americans it is a surgical procedure, so it's fair to describe it as such. Surgery is absolutely more difficult that signing a piece of paper (not that it doesn't also include signing a piece of paper).

Then a mother should have to think twice before deciding to have a child on her own that she cant take care off, she has an out if she doesn't want to take it then its her own fault.

She did, probably thought about it daily for 9 months. Maybe if you're too petrified over this risk maybe you'll think twice before risking pregnancy via unsafe sex (I am aware that this very rarely occurs in individuals practicing safe sex, but for the overwhelming majority that is not the case).

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I believe this whole case is easily solved with the following understanding. Please ask yourselves the following question.

If a woman can legally have an abortion without the consent of the father, assuming in this case the father really wanted the baby and that is completely fine within current laws. Then what is the difference between that and the Woman really wanting the baby but the father not wanting the baby and therefore having it aborted?

That's right, literally the only difference is that in the second case, the man has to take control of the females body. This is known as assault (The threat of bodily harm where there is intent or ability to cause harm, or actual harm). Therefore this case must only be tried as assault, or some other sort of crime relating to the poisoning of another individual.

I'd like to say however, that I think this is absolutely disgusting, as I also believe it's disgusting if it was the female aborting a baby that the father desperately wanted. He should go to jail but he CANNOT be charged with murder as this would mean that the precedent would have been set and therefore the act of abortion must become murder and therefore illegal.

[Destump]

That is what bodily autonomy entails. If you force a woman over what she can do with her body you are breaking that right.

Well if we use this logic, then a man should be able to stop working so he doesnt have any money to pay child support.

I mean, he needs to use his body to work and if he chooses not to-then that is his body, his choice and the woman has to suck it up. right?

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So now i hate man? Ok let me get this right, its an ok for a rich old ugly looking guys ( well they dont have to be ugly and old ) to use girls solely based on how much money they have but when it comes to woman using man for the same reason ( as in for their money ) thats not ok. Tell me would you rather date a woman that has 40kg way too much in her 40s, with 2 kids, and so on or someone that looks like a movie star or like she just got out of porn movie? I dont hate man but double standards are something i hate.

I don't get your point you seem to be saying it's ok for gold diggers to go after rich men then steal their sperm for child support??

Maybe you are confusing your point with rich men that run off after agreeing to start a family when kids are young which is a separate situation.

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What is it in his body that he can choose to abort? If you mean his unborn child that his GF was carrying, if he didn’t want to be a father he should have taken precautions to avoid pregnancy.

If she didn't want him to cancel his fetus she shouldn't have stolen his special sauce.

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You can not force an abortion onto a woman. This was against her will and violated her body autonomy. The man could be charged with poisoning and fetal homicide. Many of you are seeing this more personal (thinking about his feelings and comparing it to how’d you’d feel), which is causing you to side with him. Had this man had no connection to her and did this to a stranger, I willing to bet you guys wouldn’t be saying these things. He’d be absolutely in the wrong.

Yeah the same as if one women tried to abort another womens baby which isn't the point.

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You can not force an abortion onto a woman. This was against her will and violated her bodily autonomy. The man could be charged with poisoning and fetal homicide. Many of you are seeing this more personal (thinking about his feelings and comparing it to how’d you’d feel), which is causing you to side with him. Had this man had no connection to her and did this to a stranger, I willing to bet you guys wouldn’t be saying these things. He’d be absolutely in the wrong.

He cant be charged with fetal homicide! Charged with posioning her and as you put it "taking away her bodily autonomy" fine, but not homicide. This is for the simple reason that a woman can abort a child even if the father wants to keep it. Therefore the crime is only a crime against her body as I'm sure you could argue that the woman was going against the mans will if she chose to abort, which is legal by the way.

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You’re wrong. I linked another case where a man did a similar thing and was charged with attempted fetal homicide. Also, if you look up the famous Laci Peterson case, her husband was charged with 2nd degree murder of the fetus (1st for Laci).

Wait, I've just looked up that case briefly and it said she was 8 months pregnant. Hence the charge of second degree murder for the fetus. This is completely irrelevant as that is past the legal abortion limit and is classed as a human life at that point so that's completely acceptable. This case is about the abortion of a 17 week fetus which is still not classified as a life and can be legally aborted.

Congratulations on posting a completely unrelated case with an entirely different set of circumstances to try argue your point. This backfired on you didn't it!

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I don’t need to argue my point. You can google similar cases. This isn’t the first one.

Here: http://www.teenbreaks.com/abortion/f...-poisoning.cfm

Again, that source fails to acknowledge the age of the fetus. You are not very good at this providing evidence for your arguments thing are you. Again, if the fetus is greater than 24 weeks, (at least in the UK) then that fetus can no longer legally be aborted unless there are extreme circumstances such as the mothers life is in danger. Therefore if this fetus in your article was greater than the 24 week period then the charge of Attempted Murder is legitimate. However, I'd like to stress again, this case is NOT above the legal abortion limit and therefore you cannot be charged with a homicide on something that legally across the world is not considered "alive". So again, I am not wrong. You need to get better at this.

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20 pages of silly men trying to play victim regarding pregnancies - typical internet

[Levelfive]

That's the same argument that some people use against abortion. 'She didn't have to have sex, she should suffer the consequences of having a child she doesn't want'.

Everybody knows what the options are prior to fucking--one of the possible "consequences" of unwanted pregnancy IS abortion. If men don't want to get "wallet raped," stop fucking or get snipped. And for the love of god, stop bitching about it.

[schwank05]

Yah now he is probably going to prison and has ruined his life more than a baby would have ruined his life. He is a doctor, he could have afforded a vasectomy.

He is a fucking Doctor, he could have afforded a baby. Many people do it without doctors wadges, he just lost his opportunity to continue his name. What an Idiot.

[Happy Shoplifter]

What a terrible thing to do to a cuppa

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And another (this guy had a first degree murder charge for attempting the same thing on an 8-10 week old fetus): http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...cing-drug.html

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See above. I linked two more. The other one, in Indiana, doesn’t need a certain number of weeks to charge a person with it - “law defines feticide as knowingly or intentionally terminating a human pregnancy with an intention other than to produce a live birth or to remove a dead fetus.”

Surely every single abortion in the world is defined as "knowingly or intentionally terminating a pregnancy with an intention other than to produce a live birth" What a bizarre definition to have of feticide.

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Everybody knows what the options are prior to fucking--one of the possible "consequences" of unwanted pregnancy IS abortion. If men don't want to get "wallet raped," stop fucking or get snipped. And for the love of god, stop bitching about it.

Everybody knows that men are statistically given 60% longer sentencing for crimes identical to those committed by a women. One of the potential consequences to crime is a prison sentence. Fair enough they get what they deserve and I don't feel an ounce of pity for them, but surely you arn't advocating that we shouldn't be raising this as unfair and something we should discuss? (Bitching about it)

[Levelfive]

Everybody knows that men are statistically given 60% longer sentencing for crimes identical to those committed by a women. One of the potential consequences to crime is a prison sentence. Fair enough they get what they deserve and I don't feel an ounce of pity for them, but surely you arn't advocating that we shouldn't be raising this as unfair and something we should discuss? (Bitching about it)

Men having to pay child support isn't unfair, and correct, I don't think they should be bitching about the unfairness of having to support children they were happy enough to conceive.