Someone will probably develop a gearscore add on for classic wow.

[Wvvtayy]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

[Nightstalker]

Addons like this only became usefull once people could just farm welfare gear (Naxx/Toc). Otherwise you won't have that many levels of accessable gear to even start comparing. Vanilla has less items at 55+ than all of Ulduar afaik. Puggable Vanilla content also never had specific gear requirements.

[ManiaCCC]

I don't think it would be that horrible anyway. In Vanilla WoW it was very easy to spot if someone is ready for Raid or not. Just check if he has right resistance gear.

[Erixi]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

There already was one. Do believe it was called Gear Score.

[hulkgor]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

Having the addon, or addons, is irrelevant in vanilla, you do realize that, right?

[Yamuri]

I don't think it would be that horrible anyway. In Vanilla WoW it was very easy to spot if someone is ready for Raid or not. Just check if he has right resistance gear.

Or how large their shoulder armor is lol

[Soisoisoi]

That would be useless and horribly misguiding. Due to the nature of vanilla gear and the way some classes work, ilvl is meaningless. In some extreme cases like a tanking feral druid, the optimal gear is often quite low lvl.

It's exactly the same in Legion too. Ilvl is also meaningless for some classes, people are just too blind to realise it. I'll use your same example, a Thrash relic on a tanking Guardian Druid is (or was?) worth ~40 Ilvl. The only difference is Vanilla items were broken AF and didn't have set stats per ilvl.

Basically, ilvl is and always has been terrible in reality - only useful [currently] in an overall way to spot if someone will be able to half-ass/be stupid and still do "okay" without having to check their logs/armoury etc, relative to someone in lower end gear.


OT: Honestly, people using such AddOns, in a space where people are confined to their own servers, will probably just get blacklisted as idiots and will never get groups. So, let them make the AddOns, it won't effect the rest of us inspecting people.

[Atherions]

Ilvl was very wonky back in the day as items didn't have a set formula to calculate stat budget. Some items were completely useless even though they had raid ILVL and some level 40-50 items were much better than anything you could get in MC/BWL. An add-on that has pre-raid BiS lists for all classes/specs, that scans if people are hitcapped etc would be much more useful in terms of building good groups. People will realize quickly that someone wearing full Dungeon set 1 is a complete scrub with no understanding of what stats are important. Even most T1/T2 sets are quite badly itemized and the set bonuses are for the most part not worth getting.

[Sesshomaru]

Or maybe to get Classic as close as possible to the real Classic they will disallow also add-ons that didn't exists in 2005 / 2006?

That would be healthiest approach regarding community and strategy, as that was true at the time. Actually cooperating rather than relying on addons.

Regardless, someone will definitely attempt to pry open a hole for addons.

[Taurous]

That would be healthiest approach regarding community and strategy, as that was true at the time. Actually cooperating rather than relying on addons.

Regardless, someone will definitely attempt to pry open a hole for addons.

How would you implement this restriction?

[anon5123]

Gearscore / iLvl doesn't mean shit in vanilla. There are amazing blue pieces, and absolute trash epic pieces.

Hell, there's a GREEN trinket from a level 45 quest that is preraid BIS because it has 1% hit and some attack power on it. And don't forget Edgemaster's Handguards, a level 43 epic, which are absolute BIS for fury warriors throughout all of Vanilla.

Anyone who tries to use gearscore in vanilla is a fucking idiot. You never, ever see it on private servers, people just say "preraid BIS" when looking for pugs, which basically means be in full blue gear.

[Volitar]

I've played on private servers for years.

Wotlk private servers use gearscore. Bc and vanilla servers do not. The addons already exist but they are not useful for those expansions so nobody uses them.

[anon5123]

I've played on private servers for years.

Wotlk private servers use gearscore. Bc and vanilla servers do not. The addons already exist but they are not useful for those expansions so nobody uses them.

^Yeah, this. I've also played on many vanilla servers, a couple BC servers, and a WOTLK server. Nobody in Vanilla/BC uses gearscore, but in WOTLK they do. It wasn't until WOTLK that Blizzard started accurately balancing item strength around ilvl.

[Aggrophobic]

Yes, most likely.
And LFG addons and such.

[bash the fash]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

A 'gearscore' addon for classic wouldn't mean all that much considering item budgeting has little to do with what makes a piece of gear useful in many cases (Edgemaster's Handguards)

[RobertMugabe]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

Who is whining about that? I wouldn't mind if there was such an addon like that... but in reality, it wouldn't work anyways. Itemization in vanilla was very different. It didn't just follow some formula as it did Wotlk+. Items were "handcrafted" (meaning that each item was designed seperately and thus they ended up with quite different stat/aura combos. That's why some random blues could be BiS for some specs until AQ40)

[MoanaLisa]

Undoubtedly. And people who don't know any better will slavishly follow it. And if enough people do that then it will become the benchmark. Because all this talk about resistance gear and the like is more complicated than a number. And people usually don't have the brainpower to process more than "This high; that low".

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I've played on private servers for years.

Wotlk private servers use gearscore. Bc and vanilla servers do not. The addons already exist but they are not useful for those expansions so nobody uses them.

Read the rules for this forum including the sticky at the top and stop talking about private servers. You can make your point without discussing illegal servers. If there's a question about that PM me. More talking about it in thread will have consequences.

[Thage]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

And people using this addon will plateau in Molten Core. Vanilla itemization was weird, to put it very lightly--some best-in-slot items prior to your tier set could be found in mid-level blues. Hell, the Edgemaster's Handguards, a level 40something mail item, was best-in-slot for Fury up until the 2.0 prepatch due to how weapon skill worked for the spec in Vanilla. Fury also competed with rogues and Feral druids for agility leather, because they got more attack power, crit, hit, and expertise off of the rogue itemization (since pre-Cataclysm, warriors got 1 ap for 1 agi, and 2 ap for 1 str) than they did off of DPS plate itemization--it was bad enough that in the 3.0 prepatch, Blizzard introduced Armored to the Teeth, which took advantage of DPS plate having more of its budget spent on armor to bandaid the problem by encouraging Arms and Fury to roll on DPS plate for the Armor-AP conversion Armored to the Teeth gave them.

This doesn't bring into account items like Nightfall--which was basically required for any fights where you expected your raid to do a lot of spell damage since in the hands of a good Arms, Ret, or Enhancement player, it could keep the proc up almost indefinitely due to a lack of an internal cooldown and the way those three specs could mess with attack speed (Arms through swing timers and Slam, Ret through Seal of the Crusader, and Enhancement through Windfury procs) to increase their odds of getting that proc up--either, where the item level would negatively impact gearscore but was extremely handy to bring along.

This isn't just for PvE, either--Tidal Charm, a midlevel green, was one of the best PvP trinkets due to a free ranged stun attack, invaluable for specs without a ranged stun or interrupt, with a pretty short cooldown. I want to say it was only a couple minutes, and it was invaluable for battlegrounds like WSG where you could stop a flag runner or AB where you could stop a cap.

[bash the fash]

Undoubtedly. And people who don't know any better will slavishly follow it. And if enough people do that then it will become the benchmark. Because all this talk about resistance gear and the like is more complicated than a number. And people usually don't have the brainpower to process more than "This high; that low".

To be fair most vanilla raiders didn't seem to know that resistance was itself more complicated than 'just a number' and expected a certain value for raiders when it had little actual impact on their performance and in fact in some circumstances impeded it. Distinctly recall most guilds insisting that DPS needed hundreds of fire resistance pre-buffs, which did very little to help them. But high number better.

[Rotted]

Sorry to burst your bubbles gearscore / ilvl whiners, but I'm guessing someone will make an addon similar to it for classic wow. Gear having an item level was always a thing, it just wasn't displayed by default until cataclysm. Making an addon to display average ilvl would be very simple and someone will probably do it.

Gear is way harder to get in vanilla, a score add on would be useless due to the limit ability. Then you got specific fights which need specific gear like Resistance gear.

Oh and since the majority of the community will be die hard veterans - some of which don't play currently - the moment a add on like that surfaces, it won't be given the time of day