[PVP] Not even buying BFA if...

[Craaazyyy]

Mind Flay is still a slow and they have some of the strongest defensives and huge AoE burst potential if played well. There is literally zero problem with mobility right now, statistics prove it with an even balance of ranged and melee on top above 2200. At the end of the day it boils down to are you a bad player? Obviously you are since you actually think there's a problem.

its not about balance for christ sake lol.. its about the game being retarded

how did you come up with that shit about me being bad? rofl

im not even playing the game since wod.. cause its boring and bad, i just know a shit ton about the game.. and i know whats good and whats bad for the game

if you think that retarded mobility in the game isnt a problem then i have nothing more to discuss

[BronzeCondor]

...the status quo where melee walk all over ranged in casual pvp like random bgs and 1v1, maintains. I'm not even exaggerating, I'm dead serious.

I mostly play PVE but I also like a hefty amount of PVP like random bgs, 1v1 and wpvp. Whatever I play must be able to handle both, as I will do both, I'm not asking for arena performance. Also, I only play ranged specs.

Playing the game since vanilla. Played melee till MoP, then rerolled hunter and played it until Legion when my hunter became shit on a stick, at casual pvp, as well as all ranged specs. That's why I played this expansion on and off, trying other ranged specs, none of them working. Right now I am no longer playing WoW, and am just waiting for BFA.

I will not pre-order. I will watch the PTR forums like a hawk, and if I see that nothing changes when it comes to melee vs. ranged at casual pvp, then I don't see any point in buying in the next expansion, considering I won't be able to do what I like to do.

TLDR: I'm new to WoW and don't have enough experience at my class yet.

[Zyky]

its not about balance for christ sake lol.. its about the game being retarded

how did you come up with that shit about me being bad? rofl

im not even playing the game since wod.. cause its boring and bad, i just know a shit ton about the game.. and i know whats good and whats bad for the game

if you think that retarded mobility in the game isnt a problem then i have nothing more to discuss

If you're not even playing your opinion is literally invalid and it makes you "retarded" in your own words. You're not playing so you can't even say if the mobility in game is "retarded" hint: its not.

[Craaazyyy]

If you're not even playing your opinion is literally invalid and it makes you "retarded" in your own words. You're not playing so you can't even say if the mobility in game is "retarded" hint: its not.

the fact that im not playing changes nothing lol, i played Legion during beta and i played live for a bit.. also i follow the game, watching streams and what not..

you dont have to play the game to know whats wrong with it(oh and btw as i said i did play Legion briefly, but seems like it was enough for me to understand what you dont seem to understand).. i doubt you ever pvp'd at all(im talking about just pvp, not even high ratings)

mobility in the game is high and its one of the many reasons why pvp right now is just awful

[Zyky]

the fact that im not playing changes nothing lol, i played Legion during beta and i played live for a bit.. also i follow the game, watching streams and what not..

you dont have to play the game to know whats wrong with it(oh and btw as i said i did play Legion briefly, but seems like it was enough for me to understand what you dont seem to understand).. i doubt you ever pvp'd at all(im talking about just pvp, not even high ratings)

mobility in the game is high and its one of the many reasons why pvp right now is just awful

Gladiator last 2 seasons. Oh btw once as a Lock and once as an Ele Shaman. PvP isn't awful, people just like to whine, especially people like you who aren't even playing the game. The game has changed drastically since Beta and I highly doubt you've played recently. Watching other people play, isn't experience in the game, it isn't valid information to form an opinion, because it isn't your opinion because it isn't your experience. Everything you're saying is invalid and completely worthless. Oh and btw no you said and I quote:

im not even playing the game since wod..

So yea you're just a bullshiter obviously who has no idea what he's talking about.

[Zigrifid]

Git Gud /10chars

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...the status quo where melee walk all over ranged in casual pvp like random bgs and 1v1, maintains. I'm not even exaggerating, I'm dead serious.

I mostly play PVE but I also like a hefty amount of PVP like random bgs, 1v1 and wpvp. Whatever I play must be able to handle both, as I will do both, I'm not asking for arena performance. Also, I only play ranged specs.

Playing the game since vanilla. Played melee till MoP, then rerolled hunter and played it until Legion when my hunter became shit on a stick, at casual pvp, as well as all ranged specs. That's why I played this expansion on and off, trying other ranged specs, none of them working. Right now I am no longer playing WoW, and am just waiting for BFA.

I will not pre-order. I will watch the PTR forums like a hawk, and if I see that nothing changes when it comes to melee vs. ranged at casual pvp, then I don't see any point in buying in the next expansion, considering I won't be able to do what I like to do.

Its funny how you clearly state what PvP content you play and disucssion turns into 2v2/3v3 arena compositions. So far there is nothing significant coming into PvP with BfA, except PvP flagging which is just quality of life thing (and pretty mandatory change anyway).

Solo queue was officially thrown out of the window. There are way too many issues with current PvP and the fact they are not presenting anything for next expansion is alarming.

[Kithelle]

BM hunter has 100% mobility. Thing is the pvp devs decided that just because BM hunter has the most mobility, it has to do low damage to balance for that. And if the pet is being cc-ed or kited, BM does 0 damage. I actually played some bgs as BM, and I swear I was doing tank damage.

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Yeah, man, been playing this game for 12 years and I have no experience at all.

Yup...did that arathi blizzard brawl...me BM and with a healer Priest at the node...a Blood DK kept coming...it took us forever to kill him...felt like I was tickling him.

[Bronan]

Git Gud /10chars

Or just play a frost dk or demon hunter, instead. Too bad there is no ranged spec that panders to noobs, like these melee specs.

[Ealyssa]

im not even playing the game since wod..

You should just shut up then. Because that statement makes your whole point about the game situation pretty stupid...

[Craaazyyy]

Gladiator last 2 seasons. Oh btw once as a Lock and once as an Ele Shaman. PvP isn't awful, people just like to whine, especially people like you who aren't even playing the game. The game has changed drastically since Beta and I highly doubt you've played recently. Watching other people play, isn't experience in the game, it isn't valid information to form an opinion, because it isn't your opinion because it isn't your experience. Everything you're saying is invalid and completely worthless. Oh and btw no you said and I quote:



So yea you're just a bullshiter obviously who has no idea what he's talking about.

i love how you keep calling me bullshitter but you said nothing to prove me wrong.. i pointed out alot of problems with the game because i know what im talking about

if you're saying pvp in legion isnt bad its only cause you started playing pvp/got your first glad in legion(btw glad as ele LMAO, even my disabled grandma can get glad as ele aka the most op class of the last couple of seasons)

oh and btw i know that the game changed.. you clearly cant read, but it didnt become much better.. they didnt add alot of abilities back, dampening is still there, retarded mobility is still there, oh how about stupid lag when you can use abilities while being ccd? or how you can get ccd from los or stunned from across the map? how you can instantly die in the middle of arena when no one is actually attacking you? how you disconnect from using charge/fer rush etc.? how consistent damage is still bad but damage with cooldowns is still retarded? i can got on and on


also just gonna add this since you clearly dont get it: you dont have to play the game constantly to realize how bad it is.. especially if you played it for a longest time.. by watching streams u can realize whats bad and whats not if you're not retarded and can understand whats going on(ye i know that wow is hard to understand when you watching a stream/tournament, maybe thats your problem)

i think i also said multiple times that i played legion.. and even during beta it was enough to realize that the game will stay bad until next expansion, cuz they wont change major things that are bad about current game during the expansion.. and they didnt obviously

[A dot Ham]

I understand how it can totally feel that way. Your post actually made me pretty curious how actual representation in PvP is right now and I looked to the Season 5 representation overview 2200+ to check it out. Elemental shaman ended up on top, but overall representation between specs were within a few % of each other. It looks like feral druid started with a ridiculous 14% representation, but dropped rapidly through the season ending at 3.3%. Now considering there are 36 specs in the game, perfect representation would be all specs at a bit under 3%. The hunter spec of choice at 2200+ actually fell just above that at 3.2% representation at seasons end. BM, however was less than 1%.

Where I was reviewing all this: http://www.arenamate.net/representat...hive/legion-s5

I followed your link. It isn't saying what you're reporting here.

Under 3v3, the top (non healer) specs are Frost DK @ 7.6%, and Arms @ 6.6%, followed by Elemental Shaman @ 5.7%

While your post has value, and some good analytics going. The OP is talking about casual PvP, random bgs, and 1v1s. This would essentially be everything BELOW 2200 rating.

Now on the surface you may say that anything below 2200 doesn't matter. What your post is suggesting is that 2200 is a benchmark for (I'm not an idiot and I have a decent understanding of my class and others [strengths/weaknesses]) resulting in a relatively even spread/representation.

However, (not having the data relatively available to me) one might conclude (IF) <2200 rating shows a higher ratio representation of melee:caster, that melee classes are easy/easier to pick up, and difficult to master.

[ATZenith]

TIL melee is better than ranged in PvP.

But really, if you're good you can make casters work. Though I agree that it takes more skill than what it would take a melee. Just look at the 3v3 ladder. It's never going to just be one side or the other

[Letdown]

Yup...did that arathi blizzard brawl...me BM and with a healer Priest at the node...a Blood DK kept coming...it took us forever to kill him...felt like I was tickling him.

Y-you mean a tank was...tanky?!

Oh, the humanity! How could this be!

[Zyky]

i love how you keep calling me bullshitter but you said nothing to prove me wrong.. i pointed out alot of problems with the game because i know what im talking about

if you're saying pvp in legion isnt bad its only cause you started playing pvp/got your first glad in legion(btw glad as ele LMAO, even my disabled grandma can get glad as ele aka the most op class of the last couple of seasons)

oh and btw i know that the game changed.. you clearly cant read, but it didnt become much better.. they didnt add alot of abilities back, dampening is still there, retarded mobility is still there, oh how about stupid lag when you can use abilities while being ccd? or how you can get ccd from los or stunned from across the map? how you can instantly die in the middle of arena when no one is actually attacking you? how you disconnect from using charge/fer rush etc.? how consistent damage is still bad but damage with cooldowns is still retarded? i can got on and on


also just gonna add this since you clearly dont get it: you dont have to play the game constantly to realize how bad it is.. especially if you played it for a longest time.. by watching streams u can realize whats bad and whats not if you're not retarded and can understand whats going on(ye i know that wow is hard to understand when you watching a stream/tournament, maybe thats your problem)

i think i also said multiple times that i played legion.. and even during beta it was enough to realize that the game will stay bad until next expansion, cuz they wont change major things that are bad about current game during the expansion.. and they didnt obviously

To have a valid opinion you need experience, you have no current experience. Watching someone else play is NOT experience. I've said plenty to rebut your garbage posts. That's how I'm leaving this since you're obviously only here to troll and repeat yourself over and over.

[Kithelle]

Y-you mean a tank was...tanky?!

Oh, the humanity! How could this be!

No...I mean A DPS wasn't DPSy.

But thanks for trying!

[Socialhealer]

No...I mean A DPS wasn't DPSy.

But thanks for trying!

a good blood dk can survive for over 2 minutes vs 1 dps and a healer anyway.

[Zeusy]

ranged arent fine in 3s unless you are playing 1-2 specific classes this whole xpac. I checked not too long ago and literal only frost mages were world class players. thats something unheard of. Ele/destro were like only specs viable under top world players.

It needs to be fixed. I quit after cata and came back now, ive never seen such an imbalance in 3v3.

Run dh + melee or you lose unless you are blizzcon level. (or a destro/ele)

[YouWillAllAnswerToSithis]

Everything is technically balanced for threes, and RBGs aren't that bad either, but anything that's Casual shouldn't be taken serious, especially with the gimp potions available. And yeah, there are still balance issues between melee and a caster, which comes down to closing a gap and kitting. They pushed casters down at the end of MoP, specifically Elemental Shamans, because their mobility was high. I assume the same will happen with melee in BfA.

[Netherspark]

Blizzard's stance on this is this:

"You're ranged. You have an inherited advantage over melee classes. In fact, we'll give you the edge with added mobility."

"...oh, but melee will have advantages too. So, it may look like it cancels each other out but I promise you ranged still has the advantage."

It varies by class and spec, but as a Warlock, that advantage disappears in half a second. From that moment on you're their bitch.