I like taxes

[Endus]

Actually it does. income tax: for the first 20k u pay 0 tax for the next 5 k you pay 10 % tax. the next 5 k 15 and so on. the maximum is 50 in my country.

That's a progressive tax system. Not a flat tax.

Seriously, these are basic terms with simple definitions.

A flat tax means everyone pays the same percentage, regardless of income. It has nothing to do with tax exemptions or the like.

[Deleted]

Inflated government salaries? In most government positions that I'm aware of, they're paid way less than comparable private sector jobs.
Career politicians? Why is that a problem, you want consistently inexperienced people running the country?
"Wasteful spending" is a non-factor, since nobody wants "wasteful spending", but you need to actually identify waste before anything can be done. And most examples of such, well, aren't.
Streamlining processes is an ongoing bit of work that governments already engage in.
"Roll back on agencies" is meaningless; see point above about "wasteful spending".

I'll agree with you on the "use it or lose it" budgeting thing, though.

We can choose between consistently inexperienced and consistently corrupt. Great

Ahh, even logging in to MMO-C after a year+ break, one of the first things I'm greeted with is Endus's complete economical illiteracy and attempts to make bullshit like critical theory and otherwise marxist ideologies look like something related to 'sane people'.

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Also, obligatory reading for all the adorable statists who are being eaten from the inside by their cognitive dissonance:

https://mises.org/library/taxation-robbery

Finally someone that realizes its robbery and not theft.

We haven't had true Communism either. Both extremes don't produce a healthy society because of the same reason: some humans are massive cunts.

We have tried socialism, and that dosent work either. So if the transition phase between capitalism and communism dosent work, then how would you ever get to communism?

[WhiteEagle888]

taxes are ok, if they are spent on the things we allegedly pay them for of course, and not stolen by politicians...

[Delaios]

We have tried socialism, and that dosent work either. So if the transition phase between capitalism and communism dosent work, then how would you ever get to communism?

I wasn't advocating for communism at all. I just meant to point out that a completely free market system with no government interference will create a society just as shitty as one run by communism.

[Deleted]

I don't mind taxes but there is 2 things that really ruffle my feathers:

1. Why do I have no oversight on where my taxes actually go? Does it go to services I actually need or to my friend Ed thats a lazy bum that hasn't worked a single day in his life? Cause I'd like my taxes to be used for things I actually use and not give Ed another flat screen TV.

2. Why do I get taxed harder and harder the more I make? it "feels" like I am being punished for being successful and it really "feels" disgusting to be honest. Just give me a flat 40% tax rate no matter what money you are on and be done with it. Going up to 50% just because I actually have a work ethic and a small amount of brain function really doesn't sit well with me at all.

[PosPosPos]

It's too high for the lower and middle classes, and too low for the upper classes.

[Deleted]

I wasn't advocating for communism at all. I just meant to point out that a completely free market system with no government interference will create a society just as shitty as one run by communism.

It is indeed just as bad. Im just saying this is why we have never had "real" communism.

[kail]

taxation is theft

It's a fee.

[wheresmywoft]

The only thing that's been made clear is that the education system for so many individuals here has failed to teach them about society.

The amount of people who have no clue what a flat tax actually is, is stunning.

[Keosen]

Taxes are good until the point when you rape the living shit out of the poor while your rich buddies can tax-evade legally (since you also created all the available laws to do so) and then you tax the poor even more because your rich friends did not contribute to society as much as they should.

[Shaderas]

Let me ask you this. What if I don't want to pay for those collective taxes that I find as theft? What should my punishment be if I don't want to play by the kings rules when it comes to taxation?

Well, one thing.. if you don't pay taxes you shouldn't be allowed to vote. Someone has to pay for politicians and the buildings of government that would be required to function. Although, I don't feel like they would necessarily have to be fancy, just functional.

Also, no police to help you, no firemen to put out fires for you, you cannot use roads (or must pay every time you do), you cannot get any water from any source other than on your land/property (or must pay for it if you do), you cannot utilize any public education system for your children, if military action is taken that would benefit you in any way you are sent a bill for your share, etc etc.

[Radaney]

Taxes are obviously mandatory for a functioning society. When they actually work properly, which it doesn't nowadays.