Sweden has received too many immigrants

[Dmitro]

The heavy hierarchical system, the dismantling of civil rights, the heavy authoritarianism, all markers of far-right politics.

Did you describe China, Soviet Union and North Korea?
or maybe Venepzuela?

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What is your argument here? That privatization or tariffs were socialist or what? Lel? Or that preparing for a fucking world war temporarily improves the industrial sector? And what is the relevance to the topic at hand?

Nazi germany was a nationalist left-wing country, quite simple.

[Endus]

Did you describe China, Soviet Union and North Korea?
or maybe Venepzuela?

What you're discovering is that you don't understand what left-wing and right-wing mean, and that often, nations don't exclusively fit within a convenient label.

I know context and nuance is hard, but that's reality for you.

[Dmitro]

nations don't exclusively fit within a convenient label.

quite true, Nazi germany overall while being largely a far-left nationalist country, had some right-wing ( pro-capitalism) policies

[XDurionX]

Nazi germany was a nationalist left-wing country, quite simple.

Except no. Quite simple.

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Hitler was exactly the opposite of a "socialist". He stripped defenseless minorities of basic human rights,

And in the Glorious Soviet Union this never happened!

forbade them engaging in trivial activities,

Unions were not forbidden in the Glorious Soviet Union.

denied them access to public offices

Glorious Soviet Union did not discriminate against non Russians no!

and in the end is fucking RESPONSIBLE FOR 60 MILLION DEATHS.

I'm going to need a citation on that - The Nazis were not responsible for that many deaths - And the Communists were (Are) responsible for double that.

[Dmitro]

Except no. Quite simple.

why is that? They were pro-biggovernment and ran their economy on socialist ways

[XDurionX]

I'm going to need a citation on that - The Nazis were not responsible for that many deaths - And the Communists were (Are) responsible for double that.

Here's an easily digestible, colourful source for you, you're welcome.
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/

why is that? They were pro-biggovernment and ran their economy on socialist ways

That has been pointed out a dozen times already.

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Authoritarian, fascist governments are definitively right-wing. Stop trying to rewrite commonly-understood definitions.

Authoritarianism has nothing to do with right wing.
The vast majority of thought has significant problems with the totality of fascist thought - There is by far a greater overlap with Fascism and Communism.

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So stealing jewish assets and distributing them under lackeys and partisans is "socialist" now?

Yes?
You get that Stalin staged his own little holocaust of Russian jews?

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Invading the Soviet Union to enslave the Slavs was left wing ?

You do know the Soviet Union invaded Poland Three times?

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Because they weren't all that socialist,

Just as a point of contention, If you are right wing, You aren't at all fucking socialist.

everything about the Reich was far-right in nature. The heavy hierarchical system, the dismantling of civil rights,

The Soviet Union must have been a right wing union then.

[XDurionX]

Yes?
You get that Stalin staged his own little holocaust of Russian jews?

Segregation and marginalisation are the exact opposites of egalitarianism mate.

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Article is quite exaggerated though, yes it's a problem, but let's clarify, they aren't really talking about immigrants, they're talking about refugees.

Immigrants can't really create such problems not even by huge quantities as long as they are looking to work and to integrate into the society, in most countries it's shown that the overwhelming majority of immigrants does work, provide for the economy and pays taxes.

However if we look at refugees, 95% of them have no hope for finding a job in the foreign country they're staying in, it's just too hard to adapt to a new language, completely different way of living and actually not being able to buy their degrees instead of earning them.

[XDurionX]

quite exaggerated though

95% of them have no hope for finding a job in the foreign country they're staying in,

[Ettan]

"Our adopted term 'Socialist' has nothing to do with Marxian Socialism. Marxism is anti-property; true Socialism is not."
- Adolf Hitler, 1930

He was trying to redefine what "socialism" meant, to something completely opposed to actual socialism.

Like I said; you're buying into Nazi propaganda as if it were truth. That's it.

It was the welfare state he created.
Like it or not he is the father of modern socialism, but you will not find many books credditing him for that.

When you look to scandinavian nations (swe/den/nor), the nordic model.
Where do you think we got that from? Its moddeled after nazi germany.
Given the influence the germans had on us, and direct contact we had with them, it is really not all that strange.
And well national socialism is many things, but inneffective is not one of them.

Even the nationalism we borrowed heavily from nazi germany; late 40s early 50s was full of its propaganda.
In Norway to this day Einar Gerhardsen (the prime minister of the labour goverment formed directly the fall of germany) is refered to as "landsfaderen" Father of the nation.

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There are immigrant populations in European countries that have not integrated after 3 generations. Hand waving is just silly. You need an actual system to integrate them, not just expect it to magically happen.

Most countries integrate their immigrants well; however rotten apples can be found in any demographic, it's not something you build around, as it's quite pointless.

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That's going by the statistic my government provided.

They said of 2017 only 4,8% of the refugees is likely to get a job in the future and that 4,8% represents all children at or below a certain age where they can pick up languages easily. Anyone above that age will require years of language, schooling support and even then the prospects of them getting a good job is slim to none.

I was making the differentiation between immigrants and refugees, which this article did not mention and then twisted the entire context of it.

[warlordoflordwar]

Yes, that one is never getting old. It's obvious that all the rats flying together Nazi flags and Confederates ones this year are left wing. It's obvious too that the ''values'' of the KKK are totally not alt-right ones but kommunists one..

It's obvious that all the anti-white racists are on the left. For example, the professor who tweeted he wanted "white genocide" for christmas. I've never heard of any alt-righter say they want a black genocide.

[Dmitro]

in most countries it's shown that the overwhelming majority of immigrants does work, provide for the economy and pays taxes. .

I can only think of the USA

if you dont work here, you just die, ( if youre an immigrant)

[XDurionX]

That's going by the statistic my government provided.

They said of 2017 only 4,8% of the refugees is likely to get a job in the future and that 4,8% represents all children at or below a certain age where they can pick up languages easily. Anyone above that age will require years of language, schooling support and even then the prospects of them getting a good job is slim to none.

I was making the differentiation between immigrants and refugees, which this article did not mention and then twisted the entire context of it.

In what timeframe, first 6 months? Because it's not true at all if you look at the bigger picture. It is an investment and it takes time, not to mention that they are not allowed to work under certain circumstances; not only is immigration, of which "refugees" are a subset, a net gain for the economy, it is a REQUIREMENT for almost any western nation. Refugees are people from all walks of life, some are doctors and engineers, some are peasants and herders, some are criminals, some are traumatized and some will leave to pursue their luck elsewhere. Migration is as old as mankind, and can't and shouldn't be suppressed for racist reasons. But on average it is always a net gain for the absorbing country. We aren't wealthy despite immigration, we're wealthy because of it. Isolationism has never worked.

[Endus]

Authoritarianism has nothing to do with right wing.
The vast majority of thought has significant problems with the totality of fascist thought - There is by far a greater overlap with Fascism and Communism.

Authoritarianism, practically by definition, involves the establishment of a hierarchical system of governance.

That's definitively right-wing in nature.

It was the welfare state he created.
Like it or not he is the father of modern socialism, but you will not find many books credditing him for that.

Right, because it isn't true, and it's a particularly ridiculous bit of bullshit. You won't find books crediting Hitler for things he clearly never was nor pushed for. Shocking, how history books don't typically include obvious lies.

Just as an example, that speech is from 1933.

Most developed Western nations were implementing welfare in that time frame. Hitler was not remotely the first. And it's a concept that dates back centuries.

When you look to scandinavian nations (swe/den/nor), the nordic model.
Where do you think we got that from? Its moddeled after nazi germany.

False. Obviously, outrageously false. This is propaganda, not an argument.

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Here's an easily digestible, colourful source for you, you're welcome.
http://www.fallen.io/ww2/

Yeah, no.
The Nazis are not responsible for all war dead.

[Alydael]

Like rats fleeing a sinking ship while trying to salvage their own legacy, Swedish politicians now admit guilt. Minister for Finance Magdalena Andersson points out the obvious and says that immigration and integration have failed.

Integration in Sweden has worked so badly that immigrants should apply for asylum in other countries. This is what Minister for Finance Magdalena Andersson says in an interview with DN. The limit is reached for how many asylum seekers Sweden can take.

Magdalena Andersson now paints a dark picture of the immigration and the so-called integration in Sweden.

It's not working and it has not done so for a long time, according to Magdalena Andersson.

It did not even work before the 2015 asylum wave.

According to the Minister for Finance, Sweden should not receive more asylum seekers than it is able to integrate. It will not be good for immigrants who come to Sweden and "it will not be good for society either," she explains to DN.

The situation in Sweden is so problematic that she believes asylum seekers should not even come to Sweden - for their own good. There is neither education nor housing. She does not close Sweden's doors, but urges asylum seekers to seek elsewhere if they want a future.

Those who still come to Sweden will not receive a good reception, she says. Sweden can not handle it.

"They have more opportunities if they seek to another country," says Magdalena Andersson to DN, pointing out that the situation in Sweden is very strained.

According to Andersson, it takes far too long for immigrants to get jobs.

To find examples of successful integration, Magdalena Andersson points to the Bosnian war in the 1990s. Because then there was a housing surplus in Sweden, unlike now.

The Minister for Finance believes that Sweden should not have a much higher asylum reception than other European countries in the future. Everyone should follow common rules.

Magdalena Andersson says she is now aware of the situation, and that she even admits blame for her own party.

"There is reason for us Social Democrats to be self-critical. We should have been clear that we can not receive more than what society is capable of handling."

“Sweden,” Mr. Trump said. “They took in large numbers. They’re having problems like they never thought possible.”

http://speisa.com/modules/articles/i...mmigrants.html

So they turn their coat when the wind blows in another direction! COWARDS! They don't dare to stand up for their past claims and try to tell the people they've been naive rather than it being intentional disregard, people warned them!

You guys have to learn not to make policy for your country based on the politically correct rants of ideologues. Those are the people that push the migrants/ refugees/ immigrants/ etc, whatever buzzword you want to call them.

The best part is, they don't care about the migrants/ refugees/ immigrants/ etc. and they don't care about you or your country. They only care about furthering their ideology by any means- hence the term ideologue.

Why, in God's name- would anybody make policy based on some ideologue's suggestion. If it wasn't sad- it would be hilarious.....

Also, a refugee/ migrant/ immigrant- will never "care" about your country. They abandoned their own country (the country they were born in and their family came from- their "home")- you think they give a rat's @$$ about yours?

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Segregation and marginalisation are the exact opposites of egalitarianism mate.

The mass murder of Kulaks was not perpetrated by the Soviet Union ? or was the Soviet Union in actuality right wing?

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It was the welfare state he created.
Like it or not he is the father of modern socialism, but you will not find many books credditing him for that.

When you look to scandinavian nations (swe/den/nor), the nordic model.
Where do you think we got that from? Its moddeled after nazi germany.
Given the influence the germans had on us, and direct contact we had with them, it is really not all that strange.
And well national socialism is many things, but inneffective is not one of them.

Even the nationalism we borrowed heavily from nazi germany; late 40s early 50s was full of its propaganda.
In Norway to this day Einar Gerhardsen (the prime minister of the labour goverment formed directly the fall of germany) is refered to as "landsfaderen" Father of the nation.

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