H-1B visa news: Over half million Indians may be deported home

[Spectral]

Those Hindus are way more ''Aryans'' than most people using that word.

You know who uses the word "Aryan" the most around here by a long way? You do.

[Felya]

You know who uses the word "Aryan" the most around here by a long way? You do.

No go on that link.

[Resurgo]

I guess I don't really get your point. More. I'm not going to tell skilled technical labor that they should be cool with their wages be suppressed by megacorporations exploiting broken laws simply because developers make good money already.

I guess I don't get your point either. How can there be any wage suppression if there isn't enough people to fill job openings regardless? Companies are paying top dollar as it is, so make companies accomplish less work while paying employees that don't exist because they can't hire enough of them, more?

[TirielWoW]

The H-1B Visa program has been abused horribly to replace more expensive US workers with foreign workers (mostly from India, yes) brought in at far lower wages. I have friends who have literally had to train their foreign replacements as their last act for their job.

This is one thing I'm not sorry that he's doing.

[Blur4stuff]

I agree with others that the program was abused, but I fear this will just lead to those jobs (that can) moving out of the country for good.

[Freighter]

Those Hindus are way more ''Aryans'' than most people using that word.

What's with your obsession about aryans?

[Mormolyce]

Wait, didn't they say that they were going to reduce the NON-H1b visa intake to artificially inflate the ratio of "skilled" to "unskilled" immigrants, so that they could pretend that they were bringing in more skilled immigrants?

Sample article from August:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017...l-immigration/

But I guess that was just more hot air.

The article seems phrased in a way to make Trump looking like he is doing something terrible. Although he actually isn't. Lots of countries in the EU, Aus, Canada etc do exactly the same as a way to try and protect their own citizens and stop companies from abusing some of the employment laws and previous loopholes that was basically causing their own nationalities to lose out.

If you mean that other countries manage their skilled migrant visas, yeah sure. It's a controversial topic here too.

[GreenJesus]

This is great for the American worker! Good job Trump!

[jdbond592]

So when Trump said America will only take skilled labor in future, are these people unskilled? What are legals paths to America in new Trump reality? Soon they will start restricting people who to US for higher education (it already has dropped). What other ways are there? Be an illegal model and marry a rich guy?

On flip side, this may help American workers in short term. You know businesses(I mean job creators), they love bottom-line and stock market. This used to be a democrat thing in past. Weird how many "socialistic" policies are being passed by new "capitalism" as long as you slap "MAGA" on it.

I just find it funny that America first crowd talks about "evil socialism" nonstop.

[Spectral]

No go on that link.

Dang, too bad, it's pretty funny - search history on the board for the word "Aryan" showing pretty much every hit of it being @sarahtasher or someone arguing with her. Of course, neo-Nazis exist other places, but pretending that she's arguing with them here is pretty funny.

[Lynarii]

This sounds an awful lot like the laws Canada has in place for similar things, and they've been causing a stir up here off and on for years now.

The main problem is that the ways the laws up here are written, they tend to make things difficult for the legitimate workers and companies, while the more abusive and disgusting ones find various ways around them or outright exploit them to their own advantage. We've had more than a few companies that have been caught importing workers under the table, then threatening to report them to the authorities if they're unwilling to work for illegally low wages. This happens because the legal framework is designed to punish the immigrants who are brought here questionably far more than the companies that are doing the questionable hiring.

So ultimately the question I have for anyone who thinks that these changes are good is thus. Do you legitimately believe that the GOP is going to design the laws in such a way that corporations engaging in abusive practices are punished for it? If they do, then yeah, this can be a good step towards fixing a broken system. Just be careful that one broken system isn't replaced by another one that is broken worse.

[Spectral]

I guess I don't get your point either. How can there be any wage suppression if there isn't enough people to fill job openings regardless? Companies are paying top dollar as it is, so make companies accomplish less work while paying employees that don't exist because they can't hire enough of them, more?

I suppose I just don't really believe companies that pull the "we can't even find qualified employees!" thing... especially when that's exactly what they need to say in order to justify exploitation of the visa program. When companies say they can't find people, what they really mean is, "we don't want to pay the going rate".

[Knolan]

I am confused:

"The bill prescribes not granting extensions to workers on H-1B visas whose application for Green Card for permanent residency in the US has been accepted."

If they have a green card, why would they need the H-1B visa?

As for the law itself, I can't tell if it has been abused, but, as an IT professional who was looking for a job in the former years, US is particular hard to get into. Some companies such as Google and HP, no longer go for H-1B in my country, instead they try L1. Some other companies open positions in other first world countries where laws are more favorable (Germany, Canada, Netherlands, Ireland and the UK were the top ones when I was searching, but Israel had a lot of increase lately as well).

[Spectral]

I am confused:

"The bill prescribes not granting extensions to workers on H-1B visas whose application for Green Card for permanent residency in the US has been accepted."

If they have a green card, why would they need the H-1B visa?

Having an application for a Green Card accepted is likely not referring to having a Green Card, but to having gotten the labor certification and gotten on the overall path to it, although that does seem to be phrased oddly there. The typical wait time after getting on that track is ~6-10 years.

[Deleted]

But aren't Indians the native people of the US?

[Mad_Murdock]

What's with your obsession about aryans?

It's a dyslexic typo they haven't figured out yet. They really mean Ayn Rand

[haxartus]

Personally, my preferred immigration reform would see highly skilled, educated workers welcomed with open arms for a quick, reliable pathway to citizenship.

That's not the case currently. Canada has one such program where if you are highly skilled and know the language, you can apply and get in fairly easily. If you match all of the criteria, they just give you a residence visa and you're done.

In the US you need to find someone to hire you remotely, fill all your paperwork and cover all the costs. That's just not going to happen.

[PACOX]

Sucks for the workers affected, dont care about the companies that exploit the visas.

[Katie N]

But aren't Indians the native people of the US?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/India

[Deleted]

Is there even that many IT people that don't work in the IT industry that it can replace them?

Also, I have my fears that they'll just outsource the jobs along with the indians, but hopefully that won't come true and it can help America.