Identitarianism in Europe versus the United States

[Jshadowhunter]

Ah the Balkans, the shining beacon of stability that definitively proves the superiority of white civilization. I really don't see what you are getting all worked up about anyway, no migrants actually want to move into your countries anyway, better just to let them pass through and make them somebody else's problem instead of getting your jimmies rustled over it.

Except the turdhead in Brussles are forcing us to keep the migrant quotas. If it were the case that they were just passing through, hardly anybody would've said anything. And we've seen these barbarians behavior when they were just moving through.

[Machismo]

Except the turdhead in Brussles are forcing us to keep the migrant quotas. If it were the case that they were just passing through, hardly anybody would've said anything. And we've seen these barbarians behavious when they were just moving through.

A person should be judged by his or her own actions, wouldn't you agree?

[Ealyssa]

#not all.
Also, All X is Y is not racism, it's affirming the consequent.

"Racism is the belief in the superiority of one race over another, which often results in discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity. Today, the use of the term "racism" does not easily fall under a single definition."

Yet that's exactly what you said "all black doctors and engineers ask to respect sky fairy and garbage culture" you know discrimination and prejudice towards people based on their race or ethnicity

Because obviously not a single black doctor or engineer are muslim, are believing and have a different culture than yours...

And that will be my last response to you. You are a closet racist who is ashamed of what he is. No point on debating this fact any longer.

[Deleted]

And yet, you wish to take away their freedom of movement. How are you any different than those who wish to take away someone else's freedom of speech?

People have no default right to move from country A to country B - This is not up for debate.

[Spicymemer]

And America for Native Americans, right?

Im not aware of the complete history of native america.

But in Australia it is my understanding that the Aborigine people did not use the land efficiently, they were still migratory hunter gatherers and while any negative interactions between the British and local populace should be recognized, reparations shouldn't be part of that recognition, atleast from the Australian government.

[Machismo]

People have no default right to move from country A to country B - This is not up for debate.

Like I said, your desire to restrict freedom of movement is no different than someone else's desire to limit another's freedom of speech. You guys are the same.

[Jshadowhunter]

A person should be judged by his or her own actions, wouldn't you agree?

I rest my case.

[Dezerte]

Being against immigration because you've seen some studies that immigrants score high on (e.g. crime) and you misinterpret that as a direct causation (i.e. they commit more crime because they are culture X) when in reality the studies only show correlation. In fact, if you look at studies looking at socioeconomic factors it's revealed that the poor commit more crimes, which is another correlation - but because it doesn't fit the narrative it's to be ignored?

[Machismo]

I rest my case.

I asked you a question. Should a person be judged based on his or her own actions? Or, should he or she be judged by the actions of others?

[deepr]

If you want to use government to force your beliefs onto others, you aren't really a peaceful person. People who are anti-immigrant are inherently not peaceful.

The issue with the argument of "but look at how intolerant they are" means you are comparing yourselves to radical Islamic terrorists. Is that really the best avenue of approach? If you don't think stopping free movement is just as oppressive as stopping free speech, then that's something you need to figure out.

What a bunch of fucking bullshit. All made up stuff to put me in a bad light, not based on my post or reality at all. I'm not wasting any more energy on this. You guys are extremists.

[Macaquerie]

Im not aware of the complete history of native america.

But in Australia it is my understanding that the Aborigine people did not use the land efficiently, they were still migratory hunter gatherers and while any negative interactions between the British and local populace should be recognized, reparations shouldn't be part of that recognition, atleast from the Australian government.

But by your own logic, Australia is their home and they have nowhere else to go, whereas all the white people could easily just pack up and go to Europe or America and be basically accepted there. Don't the aborigines, however primitive they may be, deserve just one homeland to call their own, especially when whites already have so many?

[Machismo]

What a bunch of fucking bullshit. All made up stuff to put me in a bad light, not based on my post or reality at all. I'm not wasting any more energy on this. You guys are extremists.

I pointed out that you were trying to compare yourself to radical Islamists, that seems odd. You are also pushing an anti-immigrant stance, and by far the most common means of such a stance, is to use government force or individual violence. That is purely authoritarian in nature.

Now, if you are willing to say that those hard-working people you speak of do not wish to use government or violence to further their anti-immigrant goals, then I would have no issue. Is that what you are saying? Somehow, I highly doubt it.

[Deleted]

Yet that's exactly what you said "all black doctors and engineers ask to respect sky fairy and garbage culture"

You seem to be entirely devoid of contextual knowledge here.
'Doctors and engineers' refers to the prevailing propaganda that Syrian migrants were very educated (that's a lie, just as a FYI), not that they literally only were doctors and engineers, they also aren't Syrian most of them, but whatever.
Syrian's aren't black, they also aren't 'doctors and engineers' (not withstanding that some may have those educational backgrounds - #NotAll).
And again, as i said #NotAll.

Because obviously not a single black doctor or engineer are muslim, are believing and have a different culture than yours...

This doesn't even make sense - Are you sure you are proficient enough in English to have this conversation?

And that will be my last response to you. You are a closet racist who is ashamed of what he is. No point on debating this fact any longer.

Totally - Also, helpful hint, it's "no point In Debating, not On.

[Jshadowhunter]

I asked you a question. Should a person be judged based on his or her own actions? Or, should he or she be judged by the actions of others?

That's a tricky question.
Because we're dealing with people who do not wish to integrate into a new society and want to force them to change to suit their own culture and those who do want to integrate are being forbidden and threatened by those same people, because penalty for aposticy in Islam is DEATH.

There isn't an easy way out of this. In the end somebody's going to draw blood.

[Deleted]

Like I said, your desire to restrict freedom of movement is no different than someone else's desire to limit another's freedom of speech. You guys are the same.

Freedom of movement isn't a thing - It's an imaginary construct of fringe libertarians.

[Machismo]

That's a tricky question.
Because we're dealing with people who do not wish to integrate into a new society and want to force them to change to suit their own culture and those who do want to integrate are being forbidden and threatened by those same people, because penalty for aposticy in Islam is DEATH.

There isn't an easy way out of this.

A person should not be forced to integrate if they do not want to. You and I do not have the same culture, should we be forced to be like the other? Of course not. People should be obligate only to obey the laws, and so long as they are not harming others, then culture shouldn't matter.

If you want to push out an entire religion, then you are judging someone based on the actions of others, and that is a very real threat to freedom. The same goes if someone wants to push out a race, ethnicity, or even people from a specific country.

If you come to my country, I'm not going to demand that you look like me, dress like me, eat like me, pray like me, or live like me. I will have one simple demand, do not harm others.

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Freedom of movement isn't a thing - It's an imaginary construct of fringe libertarians.

Like I keep saying, you want to restrict freedom of movement, thanks for proving my point for me. I guess it's also fringe libertarians who believe in freedom of speech, as well. Interesting.

[Acidbaron]

This is the usual media bs when it comes to that topic in Europe (I am not defending scum that insults a newborn baby though). Most media in (Western) Europe is biased. There are several studies that show that most journalists are leaning towards the left or are "left-wing-activists" in disguise. This is a huge problem in Austria, Germany, France and Sweden when it comes to the topic of illegal immigration / Islam / "refugees" etc.

There are several cases in Germany where the media bias is absolutely astounding but they still continue to do it because they somehow think the citizens are either dumb or naive - or both. The moment you start criticizing the EU, the ruling government, the media or immigration politics you're branded as "far-right", "right-wing-populist", "Nazi", "racist" or whatever.

Something is happening in Europe (especially the EU) and for many citizens it is just insanity what's done here when it comes to (illegal) immigration and crime among immigrants. Let me give you some examples from Germany:

1. Last year a 19 yo girl was killed by a so called refugee who claimed to be 17 years old and from Afghanistan. In the end it has been revealed by his father that he's 33 yo. He has been a criminal in Greece before he's been left into Germany and kept being a criminal here.

For more information read this summary: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder...ia_Ladenburger

2. Last month another "Afghan refugee" (claimed to be 15 yo) killed a 15 yo girl with a knife. If you look at that guy you'll quickly realize that there is NO CHANCE that he's 15 yo.

Haven't found a better source for English speakers, use this for a short summary: https://voiceofeurope.com/2017/12/an...han-in-kandel/

3. Last month another 16 yo "Afghan refugee" tried to kill his 17 yo ex-girlfriend with a knife, she's fighting for her life at the moment.

One unaccompanied minor costs Germany 3000-5000 Euro a month. You can indicate the age of a person by checking their hand bones / teeth by a range of 2-3 years. In Sweden they did this and in the end it was revealed that 76% of the tested unaccompanied minors have been adults (https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/370693...ildren-adults/). In Germany there are several (activist) groups that condemn those age checks because they are "dangerous" or hurt the human rights of the so called refugees. The media is propagating that opinion. If you want them to be age checked your branded as racist, nazi or whatever. That's happening EVERY F* DAY since the refugee / illegal immigration crisis began.

And now please tell me there's nothing wrong in Europe / EU.

I fail to see the relevance in any of that, especially considering i linked a source outside of Europe to begin with. These stories do get reported on and we are now speaking about people who identify themselves as such and display such behavior, so what you are doing is some weird mental gymnastics that is suppose to proof what?
Taking tweets literally from what was said and reporting the news as is, is bias now. Okay darling.

Speaking of bias and linking voice of europe a site know writing style is to something that creates an atmosphere as if one is under constant attack. I simply have to look at who they put forward from Belgian to know what kind of trash you actually just linked.
So you just produced a whole lot of noise, claiming to not wanting to defend said behavior i pointed out earlier but attempting to do exactly that through using whataboutism.

And the criticism on Orban was not for holding people back, it was the methods how and the present criticism he faces now has nothing to do with refugees or immigration, but that's a good smoke screen to get away with him shitting over our western values. Good to know you are in support of a political figure who is in favor of going after political opponents, who is after freezing funding in institutes that don't blindly follow him and so forth.

People like you are honestly with all respect idiots, you believe a wall is going to stop future migration it won't. It never has and never will therefor the actual people on the right who know their shit, don't subscribe to fear mongering and shitting themselves at the sight of brown people know that unless we sort those nations out with long term plans the refugee stream will continue to increase, so there are several things i support. Things looking at what "news" sources you subscribe to probably never even heard of.

That's what your kind is good at, acting in extremes. If we do not follow your simplistic reasoning we acting as if there is nothing wrong, it's like speaking to a child, a child who cannot grasp that there's more in the world beyond black and white, pure right and wrong. When the adults attempt to have a serious debate about immigration your kind comes in and start making noise, those people exist on the left as well but hey, good thing your kind is around to make us constantly clarify how we are not like you and how we are not racists, despite your attempts of sabotaging the debate constantly.

[Machismo]

Nobody's telling you you're not allowed to have your religion. We had muslims in out country before the crisis and they're a small minority. They're free to do what they want as long as they don't violate the law.

But what do you do when you're starting to get demands to bank pork and alcohol?
Who's right then?

Then ignore such demands, and side with freedom. That's what I do. That's things that should be handled by the free markets, not by a government. That's how kosher delis popped up. You are no different than someone who bans the consumption of pork.

The issue is simple, people should be free to do what they want, so long as they do not harm others. That's why I believe people should be responsible for their own actions, not the actions of others.

[Jshadowhunter]

Then ignore such demands, and side with freedom. That's what I do. That's things that should be handled by the free markets, not by a government. That's how kosher delis popped up. You are no different than someone who bans the consumption of pork.

Unfortunately, the people in charge of leading the countries have become so mentally weak that they cave in at the slightest criticism. And that's where in lies the problem.

[Machismo]

Unfortunately, the people in charge of leading the countries have become so mentally weak that they cave in at the slightest criticism. And that's where in liest the problem.

And that's exactly how you end up with authoritarian immigration laws... politicians caving to the slightest criticism.