Didn't we agree its climate change? Its snowing in sahara atm
Didn't we agree its climate change? Its snowing in sahara atm
Global warming causes climate change. When the Earth's temperature rises it causes different and more extreme weather patterns. The idea that the Earth has been warmer in the past disregards what conditions were like in the past. Many of the plants and species that exist today were not around then. To put it simply the animals and plants of today would not survive in climates that existed in the past.
Much of the concern about global warming has to do with the rate at which it is changing. With such a fast dramatic change many or most species may not survive without the thousands or even hundreds of thousands of years they usually get to adapt to new climates.
This chart is a bit hard to read but it was the best I could find on quick notice. The timeline is changing from millions to thousands on the X axis so it makes the spikes over millions of years seem very quick in comparison to later in the time line. It's interesting to look at the Earth prior to 500 million years ago as well. Life can survive in extreme environments. It's really a question how you want to live and what you want to survive on Earth. Prior to 2.5 billion years ago the atmosphere was made up of methane and ammonia. But there was life!
Last edited by Zmaniac17; 2018-01-11 at 06:37 AM.
New York always had bad ass majors in the past but now somehow got this guy into office. Wtf happened?
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The reason why Tobacco companies got their butts handed to them by the courts is because Cigarettes are not necessary or needed, they are just dangerous. The same thing most likely won't happen to Oil companies as a whole, even if NYC is trying to.
Basically what some other posters has said is true: If NYC tries to get restrictions on Oil companies, then the oil companies will boycott. CO2-less energy needs to really become a thing before Oil and Coal can be done away with.
In other-words, your analogy doesn't really reflect on the situation at all.
For those new to the topic:
1. This isn't the first such lawsuit, this is part of a bigger picture which includes lawsuits in California, etc.
2. Exxon and several others have been trying to sit on two seats regarding global warming for years, because the projected / partially implemented regulations were hitting their competitors (= coal) more. They are learning their lesson now and are already countersuing.
3. The lawsuits will pretty much certainly end with nothing, they are just there for virtue signaling. It was more interesting before when the accusers were trying to say that Exxon knew about the terrible, terrible effect of CO2 on the climate yet continued their evil, evil practices of selling people fuel, but this seems to have ended.
Don't bother it's a bullshit argument from the start. The earths climate has in fact been much hotter WAAAAAAAY back in the day before humans and they'll just say "Yeah but earth survived see!!" when nobody is arguing that the planet is going to blow up due to a few degree increase.
That would be literally the dumbest thing they could do. Not only would that give further credence to the notion that corporations are, basically, evil; it also hurts their bottom line long-term as countries realize "F*ck! They could do that to us for any reason they want!", so there would be even more investment in alternative energy.
Keep in mind that solar power is now cheaper than oil in many countries already. In places like the US, both solar and oil are subsidized, but the best analysis removing the effects of subsidizing shows that solar is notably cheaper ($0.029 / kWh) than most forms of fossil fuel ($0.06 / kWh for coal; $0.05 / kWh most oil; and some small scale natural gas as low as $0.03 / kWh).
It is not about blowing up the planet, it is about creating global humanitarian crisis, if "few degree" increase will actually hit threshold (around 3 IIRC). It will be relatively slow process (in our lives) but it could easily lead to civil wars, anarchy and millions if not billions of dead people.
Not even mentioning how it will impact animals.
Then ssue them for misleading the public because that'd make some sense. It's the publics responsability to not be fucking retards. You can't blame the oil companies for people letting this shit happen. The people use the oil. The people are the reason oil is being extracted to begin with. This is absurd. It's like suing sugar companies for you being fat. It makes no fucking sense.
Well yes this is in fact what most people are arguing but "skeptics" love to cherry pick editorialized bullshit from non scientists just cashing in for click bait for ad revenue. So instead of talking about the real affects climate change will bring we talk about shit like "we're literally all going to die says *random tabloid*"
I assume the brainless idiots in NYC will turn towards anyone who owns a vehicle next, right? I love how little progressives truly understand about the world. Yes, oil and gas are a cause for global warming, everyone knows that. However, to sue the companies for a product that you willingly used is absolutely absurd. This is honestly on par with the crusade against guns, in that people think the manufacturer is responsible or the gun itself instead of the person doing the shooting. Take some responsibility for your actions.
A solar plant needs a similarly sized traditional plant as a backup. The backup plant also has to be running not much less hotter than the working solar plant to avoid prolonged outages when it will actually come to backup. The savings of emissions from all these cool-sounding energy sources like solar and wind only exist in material amounts if you discount those backup plants, if you count the backup plants in, the savings are pretty abysmal.
The best current bet that reduces emissions is nuclear.
(I realize the above is very schematic, but I don't have the time for several pages of text, this is a summary.)